Trans Activism and Your Red Line

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: ketsuko

Yes I agree, I was a little turned off by his thoughts on homosexuality.

There clearly needs to be more research into this!

I don't think he's totally barking up the wrong tree there, but I think what happens to you in terms of genes and hormones at most sets the table by increasing your chance of heading that way. After that, it's your life experiences that send you down that road. It's sort of like having gene combo x or y increases your chances of this or that cancer by 10%, but that alone doesn't mean you get that cancer. It only means you're more likely to get it depending on how the rest of your life stacks up with your genetic influence.

I wonder how much else in our lives is like that thanks to genes and hormones?

a reply to: sapien82

Just in response to this good men taking action , when the # are the rest of the world going to openly condemn India and all the #ty creepy wee #s who are into rape gangs and openly post rape threats on FB.
When are we going to openly condemn the treatment of women by specific religions. I just cant stomach that # ... [snip]...What men allow their sons, or their friends to openly post rape threats on public social media channels . Who are these scum bags

I do not for the life of me understand it, but there seem to be many reasons.... and many excuses. From men who don't think it's their problem to solve, to men who think women deserve whatever abuse they receive, and everything in between.

And in terms of this discussion, I find it very very disturbing that so many men who identify as trans are so quick to threaten women with their male appendage as a violent weapon...

Look at what I saw today about Charlize Theron's little adopted boy. Poor kid!

Charlize and her "Trans" Child

This article was more interesting
Does transgenderism have an evolitionary benefit


especially the biological facts

What are the facts? Can one have a different biological sex than one’s gender? It is well documented that every cell in the human body is either male or female except mature red blood cells, which are enucleated: before use, they expel their nucleus that contains their chromosomes which includes the X and Y chromosomes. This gives the erythrocytes more room to transport oxygen. All other cells have either a male set (X and Y chromosomes) or a female set (two X’s, one which is silenced). X-inactivation involves being packaged to be transcriptionally inactive in a structure called heterochromatin.

As nearly all healthy female mammals have two X chromosomes, X-inactivation prevents them from having twice as many X chromosome gene products as males, who only possess a single copy of the X chromosome. The silencing is said to achieve dosage compensation. X-inactivation is also called lyonization after Mary Lyon, who discovered it. Furthermore, a process called imprinting turns off thousands of genes off epigenetically in males and a different thousand in females, producing many thousands of genetic differences between males and females. Out of many thousands of experiments so far completed, no researcher has ever found a single trait that is identical in both males and females. Females have a higher average in some traits, males in others. In sum, the science is clear, biological males and females are facts of life. Transgenderism is a psychological problem, not a problem with a male stuck in a female body.

and importantly this part!

Many examples exist about how the left ignores science to support their ideology. Examples include not just the transgender issue but also the abortion and global warming movements. The peer reviewed medical literature with large samples and good research methodology on this issue is very clear.

a reply to: ketsuko

I think you're right about that. Especially for trans "women," the obsession with female functions is apparent, and we see it now in the demand for "womb transplants," although I think technically that should be "implants." They either do not know or ignore the fact that pregnancy and labor isn't as easy as sticking a womb into someone and letting a baby grow. It's not simply a "bun in the oven" that will rise and bake all on its own. The womb is just one part of a complex system that nurtures and sustains and filters substances, between the mother and child...

But Trans Activism doesn't even want us to say "mother," much less talk about the complexities and wonders of the female reproductive system.

a reply to: Boadicea
My red line is being expected to entertain their delusions and their lack of understanding of basic biology. My red line is that this is even being considered normal and not a disorder.

originally posted by: sapien82
This article was more interesting
Does transgenderism have an evolitionary benefit

Thank you for the link -- very interesting.

I hope -- and I suspect -- that the current controvery will have some benefit for society as a whole, forcing us to re-examine and re-consider many gender/sex issues we thought we had all figured out. Hopefully in a positive and productive way, throwing out the deadwood and replacing it with a refreshed perspective.

originally posted by: Skid Mark
a reply to: Boadicea
My red line is being expected to entertain their delusions and their lack of understanding of basic biology. My red line is that this is even being considered normal and not a disorder.

Reading your comment, it occurred to me that in so doing -- forcing all of us to play into the delusions or fantasy and denying that it is a disorder -- make us complicit in the abuse. Especially the medical abuse of children. Our advocacy for their well being is being silenced and we are forced to participate, if only by our silence.

If we're not part of the solution, we're part of the problem, right?

a reply to: Boadicea

another thing that is a red line , the firing of medical professionals and university professors for giving their expert opinion and or the facts on biology when asked , labelled as bigots and fired under pressure from activists and political correctness

a reply to: ketsuko

this is always something I think about ,Did I consciously choose my partner, or was it my genes

do I really have free will or is every aspect of my life path predetermined by my genetic inheritance and the quantum world

we only say humans have free will because we cannot significantly predict to any degree of certainty what a human will do !

makes ye wonder eh!

a reply to: thegeneraldisarray

from the first link I provided on evolutionary biologist dissects transgenderism

MercatorNet: From an evolutionary standpoint, children raised by same-sex couples are not in the mainstream. How could they be affected? Is there a difference between children conceived by biological parents and children who are adopted?

U. Kutschera: As described in my book, a biological mother and a biological father are both very important for a healthy development of the baby and child (1). To deny a child its natural mother or father is always a very problematic social experiment. Numerous studies have shown that stepfathers (or stepmothers) kill children under five up to 100 times more often than biological parents do. This “Cinderella-effect” always poses a danger when genetically unrelated adults raise children that are not their own (1, 2). There may be some same-sex couples who can manage all of these problems, but in general, such artificial (genetically unrelated) “families” are far from ideal. In many cases they are dangerous for the adopted children, as the literature shows (1, 3).

maybe the kid is going through this stressful period in life and the reason they are acting like this is because of the above , they dont have a biological mother or father who is the same as them.

Canadian 14-Year-Old

Here's a case going on in Canada right now. I put this here to illustrate more the girl's confused circumstances. Is she really transgender or is she just very, very confused and upset because her parents are getting separated/divorced, she's had two creepy infatuations with adult male teachers that have been rejected (as they should have been) leading to suicidal thoughts and one attempt, but now she's a lesbian or trans and needs to be given testosterone?

And the school started all this without parental consent.

My own interpretation of treatment would be psychedelics

because they reduce your desire to form an identity !

just from my own personal experience , if identity is the issue then instead of hormone treatments give them a micro dosing treatment of Psilocybin or Lysergic Di-thylamide see how after a prolonged use of psycho actives how they feel about their gender Identity

the number of times I've been reduced to nothing but consciousness with no identity is unreal

originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Boadicea

another thing that is a red line , the firing of medical professionals and university professors for giving their expert opinion and or the facts on biology when asked , labelled as bigots and fired under pressure from activists and political correctness

Yes. Again and again, we see professionals in their field fired and harassed and vilified and de-platformed, all in an effort to absolutely control the narrative, and the dissemination of data and information.

Especially those who have conducted important research, or those who have proposed important research.

That alone tells us that they know it's not all rosy as they want us to believe, hence the need to shutdown discussion and research.

a reply to: ketsuko

as I mentioned before about professionals losing their jobs

well these doctors are probably just going along with it because they don't want to be subject to public outrage and be forced to quit if they don't agree to the reassignment for the 14 year old.

I can imagine any doctor who deals with kids must sigh heavily when one comes in with gender dysphoria
they probably hope they can weather the storm on the horizon !

a reply to: Boadicea

Yes, humoring them will only make it worse.

I posted something about this on another thread. This is a disorder closely related to the "trans" disorder.

I am a lesbian who used to be active in the scene, and as a result have come into contact with numerous trans people, male and female. Of those I have known, and still do, the vast majority of them are normal people who just want to live their lives in peace. They do not ram any agenda down people's throats. They don't care if people unintentionally misgender them. They don't push their dependants down the same road. They are normal people and you won't even know they are trans unless they told you.

Sadly, it is the minority that are the most vocal. Just like how feminism was ruined by feminazis going too far, there are those complete idiots who are pushing and projecting their problems and issues onto everyone else. I wish we could just ignore them and they would go away, but sadly, just like how the so-called "gay agenda" negatively impacted on LGB's, it happens to the T's. It is simply history repeating. I hope that eventually it settles down and society becomes more accepting of T's as it has for the rest of us.

My red line really is forcing children down the path just because they exhibit behaviour is not typical of their physical gender. It happens too much now, and the process needs to be a lot more intensive in ways of psychological assessments before any medication is given out. It often turns out to be a phase that is grown out of, and if a child is pushed into transitioning and it was just a phase, that can cause irreversible damage to them as a person.

Of course, what a capable, responsible adult does with their life is entirely up to them, and none of us have any right to get involved in their lives without their consent.

a reply to: Skid Mark

My mind is boggled. I have seen such an analogy made before, but I never thought it was true for anyone. I guess I should have. Anything is possible.

And I'm disturbed. As much as I champion free will and personal choices, I do believe at some point we also have to protect those who would harm themselves. I do not understand physicians who would cut off a limb simply because someone wanted it. I'm just as disturbed by doctors who would do such a thing as I am by the patients who would request such a thing.

originally posted by: MetalChickAmy
I am a lesbian who used to be active in the scene, and as a result have come into contact with numerous trans people, male and female. Of those I have known, and still do, the vast majority of them are normal people who just want to live their lives in peace.... Sadly, it is the minority that are the most vocal. Just like how feminism was ruined by feminazis going too far...

Thank you for that -- it doesn't surprise me, and I have suspected/hoped as much, but I have never been able to find a way to quantify the numbers. What I don't understand is why those voices are given so much political weight... and media weight.... to the extent that other voices are shouted down and drowned out.

My red line really is forcing children down the path just because they exhibit behaviour is not typical of their physical gender. It happens too much now, and the process needs to be a lot more intensive in ways of psychological assessments before any medication is given out. It often turns out to be a phase that is grown out of, and if a child is pushed into transitioning and it was just a phase, that can cause irreversible damage to them as a person.

This may be naive on my part, but I would like to think that we will reach a point where kids -- where no one -- feels the need to transition, but can simply live their lives as whoever and whatever they feel comfortable and happy.

Of course, what a capable, responsible adult does with their life is entirely up to them, and none of us have any right to get involved in their lives without their consent.

Of course. I would also hope adults never feel the need to transition though. We should be able to accept and love people, and thus let people know they are acceptable and lovable, just as they are. I hate that people feel they have to break themselves in order to feel whole.
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May I ask your opinion/experience of autogynephiles and self-ID? If you have an opinion... and if you care to share... or feel free to just ignore me! That's okay too

a reply to: Boadicea
One thing that concerns me most is the social aspect, as given in this quote:

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”

― Voltaire

Men are women, women are men, you can switch back and forth, whatever.