Bernie Sanders Enters 2020 Presidential Campaign

originally posted by: EmmanuelGoldstein
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Bernie is the only one that can stop Trump!
I hope they don't throw him under the bus again, or we're screwed.

That was one election ago. Trump will wipe his arse with Bernie on this one. Especially after pissing on his own message and endorsing the queen of corporate corruption herself last time. Even despite hillary and the DNC sticking it to him. Bernie burned out

Andrew Yang or Tulsi Gabbard are your best chance if you don't want another 4 years of trump.

Bernie Sanders...ha...yeah...I would pay 500 bucks for a nosebleed seat to see just ONE debate with those two.

Trump won the RNC nomination from their best. He destroyed them. Say what you want but he did. This was with no experience.

Now, 4 years on, you think his campaign will not be a well oiled machine with his DC experience and realizing that he thought he knew how it was but now he does know by being there?

Bernie Sanders should stay out of it and endorse. Maybe even accept a VP slot. If I was a DNC operative that is what I would suggest.

a reply to: interupt42

You think Yang has a chance?

1,000 universal basic income seems like a crazy idea.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: interupt42

You think Yang has a chance?

1,000 universal basic income seems like a crazy idea.

I don't buy into the UBI idea but its no more crazy than to tell the American people that they will get free healthcare and education.

While I don't necessarily buy into the UBI idea as the solution, he is the only one that is bringing focus to this issue which is certainly about to hit us across the head within 10 years.

He also makes some valid arguments for UBI and there are no other valid solutions being proposed to address the economic impact that automation is going to have around the world by anyone else that I'm aware of. Heck the others candidates are just burying there heads in the sand about the issue. So if they poke him on the debates about it , he will likely destroy them on the topic since he is very knowledgeable on it.

He is also more of an independent but he had to register as one of the two parties to get anywhere in the elections. So he is not opposed to calling out both parties BS and he will certainly appeal to the more centrist and independents on both party.

He is also for legalizing MJ so that will appeal to the younger and certainly bernie crowd and he has some good views on the other issues and is aware of the lobbying impact to our gov't and willing to talk and address it.

a reply to: interupt42

I'm open minded, and obviously this world is coming to a point where we need to use the advice of Einstein from under my posts

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when creating them" -Einstein

I'm downloading Joe Rogan's podcast with Yang, I'm sure they'll delve into it, and I'm interested to see what he has to say.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: interupt42

I'm open minded, and obviously this world is coming to a point where we need to use the advice of Einstein from under my posts

"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when creating them" -Einstein

I'm downloading Joe Rogan's podcast with Yang, I'm sure they'll delve into it, and I'm interested to see what he has to say.

I was skeptical when I first saw the thread about the guy but I was pleasantly surprised by the end. It was a good interview and he has that trump appeal of coming across as a regular Joe but logical.


Like I said I have my doubts about UBI and its effectiveness, but what other solution are the other candidates proposing to combat a significant issue coming our way?

Yeah, but Yang also thinks the president should make 4 million a year...hahaha...NEXT!

originally posted by: matafuchs
Yeah, but Yang also thinks the president should make 4 million a year...hahaha...NEXT!

Why the F not?

Again he is tackling another SIGNIFICANT issue and discussing solutions in regards to conflict of interest in DC, while the other candidates bury their heads in the sand or totality dismiss the issue.

I would rather pay upfront a POTUS 4 M a year to control some of that temptation they get thrown at them on a daily bases from external parties and special interest groups. Heck I would even thrown in an extra 100K a year for life if they leave office with high ratings and as long as the economy continues doing good.

Rather the than the typical politicians we get now that make 500K a year then end up being worth 100M after their term is over.


There are some caveat with the 4M.

www.yang2020.com...

The Office of the President is admired throughout American society. However, that respect has been capitalized on by recent presidents for personal gain. Six-digit speaking fees and lucrative board positions fuel the perception that the President may go soft on people that he or she could receive fees from after leaving office. In order to combat this, we should raise the president’s salary from the current $400,000 to $4 million.

However, anyone who served in the office would be barred from accepting speaking fees or lucrative board positions for personal gain after leaving office. And it’s not just the president. Any number of people working at regulatory agencies know that they have lucrative job offers waiting for them within the industries they’re currently regulating.

They have an economic incentive not to burn any bridges in their current positions before moving into the industries they’re supposed to be policing on behalf of the rest of us.

Cabinet members and heads of regulatory agencies should have their salaries increased from $275k to $1 million, but be barred from accepting any speaking fees or industry employment for 10 years post-service.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Go for it Bernie

My daughter will be happy to hear this

However........ all this is dependent on the DNC establishment following their name-sake "democracy" and not pre-selecting the nominee before the people have spoken (like they did with that sham, phony Hillary Felon-ham Clinton) OR allowing their low-life mouth breathers to make up lies about "throwing chairs" in Nevada

Anybody else remember when the lying democrat establishment accused Bernie folks of "throwing chairs" and inciting violence at the Nevada event?

Yet some of those same people apologize day-in day-out for the crimes of those who were so quick to throw them under the bus.

"Democracy" is dead... accept it and move on lefties. You know, there's a reason that evil word (the D word) wasn't included in our Constitution or any other founding document.... our Forefathers recognized the inherent danger of a bunch of crowd-following low information junkies forcing their own beliefs/ideals on others. The idea of a mob rule "Democracy" is abhorrent to the values of Liberty, Freedom and Justice.

Contrary to what these phonies say, true JUSTICE is NOT whatever the moronic angry mob of losers says it is.

Of course if we had anything resembling actual justice or a legitimate legal system/legitimate government in this country, several dozen traitors would've already met the end of a rope. And many more would be sitting in prison, barely starting their 75-to-life prison terms.

I agree. I was a Bernie supporter and donor in 2016.

Regardless, I hope we can all agree that the monopoly on our political system of mostly establishment corrupt leaders of both parties needs to be challenged.

On both sides of the aisle having a more diverse and non establishment representation is good for political debate.
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I want Bernie to win. I think we need some socialism or Socialist elements added to our Capitalist system, namely, sociized education and healthcare

a reply to: CriticalStinker

The only thing Bernie support indicates is that large portions of the population have absolutely no understanding of economics, nor do they want to learn.

Instead they just want to pretend money grows on trees and that utopia is possible.

It's a cool story, but is 180 degrees opposite of the real world and the country that would be created if Bernie actually gets elected.

originally posted by: lostbook
I want Bernie to win. I believe think we need some socialism; namely, sociized education and healthcare

It cannot be paid for.

US doctors make 4 times as much as doctors in countries with socialized medicine. They will not give that up easily.

The US is 22 trillion in debt, running a 1 trillion dollar a year deficit, and you want to add another 4 trillion + to the yearly deficit. Put simply that is not possible without complete and total destruction of the US economy.

Bernie supporters make me furious, they are actively trying to bring on the next depression, and are apparently to stupid to even know it.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
a reply to: shooterbrody

Honestly I don't even see many people really discussing things, rather they just jump to sling mud on the other side, all while everyone actually dodges the true discussion.

Take this thread for example, how much actual discussion is being had? (Thank you though for actually engaging and not shying away.)

There is an extreme polarization in politics, and while we could debate who's moving more to theirs side extreme, at the end of the day it's almost moot because if we're no longer engaging in dialogue, then there is a shift because there is no place for moderates or compromise.

Applaud Applaud

Sanders said it's not just about winning: "Our campaign is about transforming our country and creating a government based on the principles of economic, social, racial and environmental justice."

Anytime these jacksnips talk about justice.

It doesn't resemble anything remotely to it.

The Peoples Republic of bull crap would you like some horse crap too?

originally posted by: proximo

originally posted by: lostbook
I want Bernie to win. I believe think we need some socialism; namely, sociized education and healthcare

It cannot be paid for.

US doctors make 4 times as much as doctors in countries with socialized medicine. They will not give that up easily.

The US is 22 trillion in debt, running a 1 trillion dollar a year deficit, and you want to add another 4 trillion + to the yearly deficit. Put simply that is not possible without complete and total destruction of the US economy.

Bernie supporters make me furious, they are actively trying to bring on the next depression, and are apparently to stupid to even know it.

The system we have now isn't sustainable, long term. An ever increasing world population is putting an ever increasing strain on natural resources. Things need to change or else humankind won't be around much longer.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I don't see how anyone could claim he's challenging the system. Maybe during the 2016 primaries... But after he endorsed Clinton after she and the DNC rigged the primary against him.

What has he done since besides get a jet a new big house and parrot the party line?

I think the top part of your post is extremely valid, and should be part of the discussion of the left on his conviction and his viability.

The latter however isn't the full truth, also, as far as I know he does not have a jet.

Again, there are many issues with his platform, I just don't see the need for non truths.

Establishment Dems just caught up With him is all. The Party is overrun with socislust/communist now so its no longer viewed as an outlier

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus

originally posted by: CriticalStinker

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I don't see how anyone could claim he's challenging the system. Maybe during the 2016 primaries... But after he endorsed Clinton after she and the DNC rigged the primary against him.

What has he done since besides get a jet a new big house and parrot the party line?

I think the top part of your post is extremely valid, and should be part of the discussion of the left on his conviction and his viability.

The latter however isn't the full truth, also, as far as I know he does not have a jet.

Again, there are many issues with his platform, I just don't see the need for non truths.

Establishment Dems just caught up With him is all. The Party is overrun with socislust/communist now so its no longer viewed as an outlier

It's been the full red press.

Statues,flags,censorship, statue vandalization (ww2 Iconic sailor kissing woman),Green horsecrap deal,medicare for all, fake lynching,fake collusion, our federal leo is now the KGB.

These people are dangerous.

What experience does this fool have leading anything? He made his career as a politician and has never held a real job. Just another government welfare leech as far as I'm concerned.

The same people who voted for Hillary will not vote for Bernie. This is his pay back to the DNC for 2016. They #ed him so now he is going to do it to them. Bernie never would have been elected. Sorry. He had a base that protests but gets too high and forgets to vote.

Older voters know he's a life long politician with a corrupt wife no less. No votes there.
No one who voted didn't vote Hillary in 2016 would vote for Bernie.
Millennials want the little money they have. Most I know are conservative but you always see the weird ass liberal ones.
He will not pull in the minority vote. They like having jobs AND entitlements. I am fine with that. If you work and need a little to get by ok by me especially singe parents with kids. There are more hard working people out there than bums.

HRC and he pretty much split their popular vote.

So where do those voters go? To Trump.

Now, this is where it gets real interesting. NY is in shambles and it is because of liberal leadership. California also. AOC being elected showed that career politicians are not safe anymore and need to canvas digitally.

Sorry Bern but I just see NO F"N WAY you will be the nominee.