Bernie Sanders Enters 2020 Presidential Campaign

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: ker2010

Nope. Didn't vote because I didn't like any of the candidates.

This makes you a whiner then.

Literally no skin in the game.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Here I do disagree. All of the dems that are running are for medicaid for all, not some ALL. They have all absorbed bernies platform in just a few short years. What has trump done to move to the right? Openly oppose late term abortion? About 80% of americans oppose that. Not so extreme right it seems.

Personally I don't see anyone taking the high ground.

The whole "who started it debate" to me doesn't really invoke much interest, though you've read my posts enough to know I would probably agree with you on that topic.

Either way, both sides have drawn lines in the sand as it stands. Which one is more extreme eventually won't matter when our government stays in gridlock or everything just keeps getting undone and restructured each admin.

a reply to: Xcalibur254

Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi Nazi

I raise you, with a racist, and a bigot.

What else you got???

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

a reply to: LSU2018

Yeah the right has stayed consistent while the left has moved farther and farther left. We've been able to watch, before our very eyes, the left continue to move farther left while those who were farther left than moderate, hold the same ideals and are now considered moderate right or center because they didn't move with the pendulum. For a perfect example, look at how the country viewed the border and illegal immigration just 5 or 6 years ago compared to today.

I do not think even Hillary could get the dem nomination in this climate.
I do not think the average dem voter will back these extreme candidates.

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: shooterbrody

This was well documented during the 2018 elections. Start with Arthur Jones, he literally used to head up the Nazi Party in America.

Another good example if the Right moving farther Right is the UTR rally. This was a rally organized by neo-Nazi, neo-Confederate, and white supremacist groups but if you ask your average Righty these were good people.

neo-Confederate? What kind of retarded remark was that? Read some history that isn't revised before making another stupid remark, please. White supremacists are far and few between. Nazis are a German party from a long time ago.

a reply to: PsychoEmperor

Jones was just an example. There were a number of other Nazis that ran for the GOP ticket in 2018. For example, Patrick Little in California. While he didn't get the nomination he was the front runner for a while.

If we look back as recently as 2016 candidates like these were not running on the GOP ticket. But now we have instances cropping up like this all over the country.

The most "extreme" the Left has gotten are Democratic Socialists with a strong emphasis on Democrat. Meanwhile the Right has actual Nazis running for office.

originally posted by: underpass61
a reply to: CriticalStinker

It's a funny world we live in where someone who's never earned a nickel outside of a government job is considered a "non establishment independent type". LOL

I get your jest, and to be honest it's technically the truth.

That said, we all know there are hidden agendas driving those in Washington....

It's not impossible for a public servant to actually do their job and benefit their constituents without being bought by external interests.

Whether he is that is certainly up for debate, as with anyone who claims to be anti-establishment. The proof is in the pudding.

Comrade Bernie is what?

Is he going to try to out-Marxist the other Marxists?

Dem Candidate 1: I can raise taxes by 200 percent!

Bernie: Hold my beer. . . . .

a reply to: Xcalibur254


Show me an Nazi who is in office...


I think this is where the disconnect comes in. The Right isn't claiming "extreme Left" who "ran" and didn't' get elected... we are showing you Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, Elizbeth Warren, Bernie Sanders... these are ELECTED Candidates from the left espousing radical socialistic and extreme leftist views.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Personally I don't see anyone taking the high ground.

Neither have "the high ground", one has moved the other not so much.

The whole "who started it debate" to me doesn't really invoke much interest, though you've read my posts enough to know I would probably agree with you on that topic.

Not really interested in that either.
Both are responsible for gridlock, as demonstrated by the #nevertrumpers who would not fix healthcare when given the means and opportunity.

Either way, both sides have drawn lines in the sand as it stands. Which one is more extreme eventually won't matter when our government stays in gridlock or everything just keeps getting undone and restructured each admin.

Really?
What line has the gop drawn that has not been crossed?
The 5 bil for the wall?
Even pelosis $0 for the wall would not stick.

The candidate that finds the most support from the middle will win.
The middle won't start paying attention for a while yet imo.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: LSU2018

Yeah the right has stayed consistent while the left has moved farther and farther left. We've been able to watch, before our very eyes, the left continue to move farther left while those who were farther left than moderate, hold the same ideals and are now considered moderate right or center because they didn't move with the pendulum. For a perfect example, look at how the country viewed the border and illegal immigration just 5 or 6 years ago compared to today.

I do not think even Hillary could get the dem nomination in this climate.
I do not think the average dem voter will back these extreme candidates.

Nobody in their right mind will. If it was like this on the right, I would stay home. I didn't like McCain and didn't vote in that election. Apparently I wasn't the only one. Romney wasn't much better. I was fully on board with Trump when he didn't back down from his wall comments. And every other candidate backed down from the left so if Trump would've lost, I would've stayed home again, most likely. Jim Webb was the best candidate the democrats have ran in my lifetime and they pushed him out after the very first debate.

Just thought I'd drop a little blast from the past.

ATS poll, Trump or Bernie.- From December 2015

a reply to: shooterbrody

I agree with much of your post, and sadly I agree the most with this.

The candidate that finds the most support from the middle will win. The middle won't start paying attention for a while yet imo.

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
Just thought I'd drop a little blast from the past.

ATS poll, Trump or Bernie.- From December 2015

I'm pretty excited to see #feeltheBERN everywhere again

originally posted by: PsychoEmperor

originally posted by: CriticalStinker
Just thought I'd drop a little blast from the past.

ATS poll, Trump or Bernie.- From December 2015

I'm pretty excited to see #feeltheBERN everywhere again

Haha, I doubt we'll really see much of that this go around.

I just put that up for people like me who are interested in looking at contrast between cycles.

I'll often dive deep into subjects and humor ideas, this isn't because I agree or endorse them, I just find the only way to really try and understand things is if you delve into them.

a reply to: projectvxn

No. It makes me principled. Why should I support someone that doesn't represent my interests?

If everyone stopped voting for the lesser evil and instead only voted for good candidates maybe we wouldn't be in such a #ty situation.

Just a thought.

a reply to: LSU2018

McCain and Romney were hot garbage imo.
I don't see any of the major candidates for the left getting any traction. The kavanaugh hearing quotes will bury most of them. Warren had a shot until the dna test, she really screwed that up, I don't see her coming back from that load of bs.
Harris should have learned to keep her yap shut by now, the jessie scandal may do her in. Sparticus is a self made joke.
Klobuchar or Gabbard may have a chance if the others don't drag them down.

At least Bernie doesn’t engage in political triangulation and is, as far as I can tell, honest. But beware the left-wing populism.

a reply to: PsychoEmperor

Show me a Communist that's in office.

If wanting universal healthcare makes someone a Communist then being opposed to homosexuality makes someone a Nazi.

That's the disconnect with people on both sides. Compared to the rest of the world the US is very middle of the road.

Espousing a few socialist leaning policies doesn't make one a Communist. Just like espousing a few socially conservative policies doesn't make one a Nazi.

We do have a growing extremist movement in this country (ie Antifa and UTR) but the size and scope pales in comparison to what they have in Europe.

a reply to: shooterbrody

Klobuchar or Gabbard may have a chance if the others don't drag them down.

I actually like a lot of Gabbard's platform.

I read an interesting article that said she should have waited for 2024 though, reason being she may burn herself by being one of the calm ones and not being rabid enough against Trump.

She seems to have too much of an interest in talking about platform, and not enough mud slinging for today's environment.