Bernie Sanders Enters 2020 Presidential Campaign

Like him or not, he is one of the few indicators that there is a healthy resistance to the status quo in this country on both sides.

Few things give me hope in current times, and while he and Trump may not be everyone's first choice, I think it is good that disenfranchised citizens are tired of politicians selling us lies just so they can get into power and benefit their agenda, and the agenda of corporations and special interest groups.

Hopefully this trend of non establishment independent type candidates keep up, the more push back we see from the upper echelon party leaders, the more viable a candidate looks IMO.

I won't include much from the article as it's pretty much what everyone would expect, and not too much of news other than his announcement, but I did like this bit.

In the years since his loss to Clinton, Sanders has remained a national leader of the Democratic Party, though he still refuses to join.

NPR

^^Not surprising considering what happened last go around.

My prediction is he will not get the ticket again, but I think it's important for people like him to continue being on the debate floor and pressing certain issues, showing there are more choices than a barely different tasting dish which the Republicans and Democrats always present.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

It appears to me that he has come to collect his platform.
While it was far left a few years ago, it has moved to mainstream left.
It may really be a socialism v capitalism 2020 race.

Who?

Oh, that old, rich, white male.

Yup.

a reply to: shooterbrody

It may really be a socialism v capitalism 2020 race.

Maybe, but I doubt it.

I'm just happy to see people challenging the system.

My main issue always has been dialing back our rampant foreign conquests. There's no way we can dream of fixing our home when we put effort into destroying others.

If enough people on both sides push hard enough and show politicians they're gonna have to deliver on certain key issues, I'm happy.

Then again, I just love stirring the pot. Until more people get involved and demand change, we'll never see it.

I don't think he's the solution, but I'm all for more voices challenging the thought process.

After more of that free Dem money just to lose.
So a house and a private lake isn't good enough ?
Going for a RR Silver Ghost to boot ?

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I don't see how anyone could claim he's challenging the system. Maybe during the 2016 primaries... But after he endorsed Clinton after she and the DNC rigged the primary against him.

What has he done since besides get a jet a new big house and parrot the party line?

To be fair, he should have been the person challenging trump in the 2016 election..
The more I've learned about him this past 2 years and the more negative aspects of Socialism I understand, the less i like him,

But, he's the best democratic choice.. he just hasn't got a chance in hell in competing with Trump

It feels like the Democrats are deliberately flooding the field with candidates... what positive reason could there be for them to saturate the playing field...

a reply to: CriticalStinker

www.npr.org...

Sanders pointed to the Democratic Party's leftward shift as a reason for a second run. "It turns out that many of the ideas that I talked about – that health care is a right, not a privilege, and that we've got to move toward a Medicare-for-all, single-payer system: very, very popular. The idea that we have got to raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour," he told Vermont Public Radio. "When I talked about making public colleges and universities tuition-free and lowering student debt, that was another issue that people said was too radical. Well, that's also happening around the country."

IMO that is exactly how BERNIE is going to frame it.
Trump will make the socialist candidate into this generations Walter " Fritz" Mondale.
Nobody that actually works and pays taxes wants socialism.

originally posted by: Gothmog
After more of that free Dem money just to lose.
So a house and a private lake isn't good enough ?
Going for a RR Silver Ghost to boot ?

As with any politician, he has plenty of issues with his platform you can go after without insinuating he pocketed campaign money or got bought off by the DNC.

He doesn't have a private lake, though he does have a house on a lake worth about 600,000. Apparently his wife inherited a lake house from her parents, sold it and they bought this one.

I have more of a problem with how he plans to fund all of his ambitious programs when as it stands, America is in debt with what we have, and digging deeper.

originally posted by: watchitburn
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I don't see how anyone could claim he's challenging the system. Maybe during the 2016 primaries... But after he endorsed Clinton after she and the DNC rigged the primary against him.

What has he done since besides get a jet a new big house and parrot the party line?

I think the top part of your post is extremely valid, and should be part of the discussion of the left on his conviction and his viability.

The latter however isn't the full truth, also, as far as I know he does not have a jet.

Again, there are many issues with his platform, I just don't see the need for non truths.

a reply to: CriticalStinker


I would have loved a Sanders V Trump in 2016. It would have been a good(maybe close) race. This go round, I think Sanders would get decimated... but of course I think anyone in 2020 will get decimated. With the Strong Economy, Strong Economy, and the Wall being built, Trump looks like an easy Victory. Of course I could be wrong, but it's looking more and more like a Reagan Second Term, assuming things continue the way they are.


The sad Reality is even if something legitimate comes out against Trump, the media has cried wolf far too often, no one with two brain cells believes anything they say anymore. The smart money will wait till 2024.

a reply to: shooterbrody

IMO that is exactly how BERNIE is going to frame it.

Oh, I don't doubt that, I just meant I doubt he'll get the ticket, so consequently I don't think 2020 will be a race of Capitalism vs Socialism...

But I've been wrong before, and may be here.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

I have more of a problem with how he plans to fund all of his ambitious programs when as it stands, America is in debt with what we have, and digging deeper.

The "T" word.... payroll deductions that equal insurance premiums.

a reply to: CriticalStinker
He will do it all over again. Throw the race for the real DNC choice and collect a payout for doing his best to steer more socialists towards the DNC.

a reply to: CriticalStinker

Who on the left has not made Bernies agenda theirs?
It has become race to the far left when it should be a race to the middle. The 20% far left and 20% far right are not really in play; it is the 60% in the middle they should be courting, and none of the dems entered so far seem to understand that,IMO.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: CriticalStinker

I have more of a problem with how he plans to fund all of his ambitious programs when as it stands, America is in debt with what we have, and digging deeper.

The "T" word.... payroll deductions that equal insurance premiums.

People are too quick to jump to that, and I think it is why we are in the mess we are (spending more than we bring in).

I'm all for discussing reform more than spending.

For instance, I wouldn't be oppose to reforming our public education system, including high university costs, this could go something like this.

-If you're a state funded school, you have to have fair admission costs. So no more lavish buildings that cost a fortune just for aesthetics. I wouldn't even be oppose to the government helping out more with students being able to go, so long as we got this money from pointless spending abroad. More educated people means less crime, and more tax revenue in the future. The students could even have to do X amount of free internships in the public sector to free up cost for paid positions.

My point is, there are more creative ways to discuss how we could do certain things to benefit the nation without raising taxes.

If our government was actually efficient, we could spend less than what we bring in, and get more out of it.

Guarantee HE SELLS out again.

originally posted by: shooterbrody
a reply to: CriticalStinker

Who on the left has not made Bernies agenda theirs?
It has become race to the far left when it should be a race to the middle. The 20% far left and 20% far right are not really in play; it is the 60% in the middle they should be courting, and none of the dems entered so far seem to understand that,IMO.

I think that is the pendulum swinging, both sides are doing it which makes both more extreme.

The problem is our government and subsequently the citizens are finding it hard not only to compromise and work together, but even hear each other out. That's just my take on it.

originally posted by: worldstarcountry
a reply to: CriticalStinker
He will do it all over again. Throw the race for the real DNC choice and collect a payout for doing his best to steer more socialists towards the DNC.

I'd be interested to see a source on your insinuation.

Otherwise I suppose we're just talking about hypotheticals and what if's instead of actual issues, which is my objective.

originally posted by: neo96
Guarantee HE SELLS out again.

Think he will have to answer questions about last time?
I would wager the entire dnc will have to answer questions about how that was handled.
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