Brexit, Today is the Vote!

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: sapien82

Just for you:

Enjoy!

Do you ken this guy is a plant , on every question time, he is a former member of UKIP apparently and he is anti indy and always gets asked questions on BBC question time when the SNP are on!

I will find the link for ye !

a reply to: angelchemuel

this is my position , Out of the EU out of the UK , then we only have ourselves to blame !

here is the article !

the guy is a BBC plant of project fear

BBC slammed as former UKIP member makes 3rd appearance

For a start the guy was in a flute band ! he is a loyalist pig !

a reply to: sapien82

He may indeed be but not all Loyalist's are pigs, far from it.

They have a right to an opinion and that opinion should be respected every bit as much as Nationalist viewpoints.

originally posted by: sapien82
here is the article !

the guy is a BBC plant of project fear
BBC slammed as former UKIP member makes 3rd appearance
For a start the guy was in a flute band ! he is a loyalist pig !

He is a member of the public, and as such entitled to apply for tickets?

He is probably very interested in or studying politics. The audience is

asked randomly, so he could go to every venue and never get asked...

so how does that make him a plant?


As a regular viewer cant say I've noticed him before, how can you accuse

him for propaganda when he is only stating the truth? his opinion is as valid

as any one else's ....... Or do you not approve of FREE SPEECH

a reply to: eletheia

Whilst I agree with you he's entitled to his opinion and the BBC should indeed allow people of all political persuasions to participate in programmes like Question Time.

However, if it's true that he's asked questions on three individual programmes it does suggest a certain amount of 'favouritism' or perhaps even bias.
It could also be said that they are deliberately courting controversy in order to boost viewing figures.

I don't know....but the cynic in me suspects that the latter has a large part to play in this.

a reply to: angelchemuel

Lol!! Had to read it three times but I think I got the gist of it!!

In every debate/programme I've seen the Scots have ranted about

another referendum to leave the UK so that they can get into the EU

indeed I think its Sturgons obsessive ambition, Lord knows why!!!


IF they ever leave the UK what makes them think the EU will let them rejoin?

They have no *clout* without the rest of the UK.

originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: angelchemuel

Lol!! Had to read it three times but I think I got the gist of it!!

In every debate/programme I've seen the Scots have ranted about

another referendum to leave the UK so that they can get into the EU

indeed I think its Sturgons obsessive ambition, Lord knows why!!!


IF they ever leave the UK what makes them think the EU will let them rejoin?

They have no *clout* without the rest of the UK.

The minute the SNP brought Salmond out of 'retirement' to head the Indy vote...I felt Scotland would never get it.
Rainbows
Jane

Apparently the UKIP "Brexit Party" has been certified by the Electoral Commission in the UK. Its leader is Catherine Blaiklock, another UKIP liar.

www.theguardian.com...

best-known for failing to win Great Yarmouth for UKIP in the 2017 general election despite an innovative campaign which saw her brandish a large photograph of her Jamaican husband at one hustings in an attempt to demonstrate that ’Kippers were not racist, later telling Vice “I sleep with somebody who is black.”

That might be true, but this is a lie:

Blaiklock advised those on low income to heed the example of Sherpas in the Himalayas, who eat “practically nothing but boiled potatoes with a bit of salt and chilli on the side”.

Sherpas eat, basically, what everybody eats.

www.thegundruk.com...

Potato, barley, wheat, corn, meat and other food products from Yak and Sheep, radish, green vegetables and beans are the major traditional staples and foods of Sherpa. The food culture is largely similar to the Tibetan, but they also have their own authentic traditional dishes.

a reply to: OtherSideOfTheCoin

Do Turkeys vote for Christmas?

a reply to: ipsedixit
I don't get the point of your post, what are you getting out here?

Personally I think we are in need of a new party because I feel politically homeless at the moment.

I would feel dirty voting for the Conservatives because they are mainly in it for themselves and their rich friends. Labour, especially under Corbyn (even though I do quite like him), would be a disaster for our economy. Libs Dems are extremely Pro-EU and I can't trust them anyway. Greens don't seem to care about the environment anymore and more concerned with virtual signalling. UKIP have gone a lot more right-wing, mainly only concerned about immigration and broke their own rule book by letting Tommy Robinson become a member.

The new 'Brexit Party' (poorly named imo) may get a lot votes across the political spectrum but they need to stick to the basics and not be too radical. From what I have read their main policies will be leaving the EU (if we don't), have a points based immigration policy, stopping HS2 (only UKIP and Greens currently offer this), reducing green tariffs on energy costs and reducing foreign aid. None of the other parties offer any of that so I think that would resonate with a substantial amount of the electorate.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: sapien82
here is the article !

the guy is a BBC plant of project fear
BBC slammed as former UKIP member makes 3rd appearance
For a start the guy was in a flute band ! he is a loyalist pig !

He is a member of the public, and as such entitled to apply for tickets?

He is probably very interested in or studying politics. The audience is

asked randomly, so he could go to every venue and never get asked...

so how does that make him a plant?


As a regular viewer cant say I've noticed him before, how can you accuse

him for propaganda when he is only stating the truth? his opinion is as valid

as any one else's ....... Or do you not approve of FREE SPEECH

He's a UKIP Candidate and you're only meant to get in the audience once. The BBC were very anti-Independence and were one of the biggest proponents of the original Project Fear, they were dubbed the Biased Broadcasting Corporation. Their viewership took an immediate plummet in Scotland, almost as big a plummet as the number of people who stopped paying their TV Licence...

originally posted by: ipsedixit

Apparently the UKIP "Brexit Party" has been certified by the Electoral Commission in the UK. Its leader is Catherine Blaiklock, another UKIP liar.

Will they change their name after March 29th at 2300hrs? May i sugeest Desperate Wannabe Party?

a reply to: Freeborn

Aye not all loyalists are pigs just like not all tories are #s , but the gid yins arent exactly in the majority , well maybe thats just politicians !

I'll respect his right to an opinion , but I wont have to respect his opinion if its bull# just like anyone else I suppose !

the reason I said he was a pig is generally people in flute bands are quite bigoted and support sectarian views! you only have to search online to see the trouble it causes in Scotland!

I've friends from school who play in flute bands and they grew up spouting bigoted nonsense the songs they sing etc , they non stop talked about the queen!

originally posted by: angelchemuel

originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: angelchemuel

Lol!! Had to read it three times but I think I got the gist of it!!

In every debate/programme I've seen the Scots have ranted about

another referendum to leave the UK so that they can get into the EU

indeed I think its Sturgons obsessive ambition, Lord knows why!!!


IF they ever leave the UK what makes them think the EU will let them rejoin?

They have no *clout* without the rest of the UK.

The minute the SNP brought Salmond out of 'retirement' to head the Indy vote...I felt Scotland would never get it.
Rainbows
Jane

aye and look at him now !

Up to his neck in sexual assault charges

a reply to: 83Liberty

How about the cattle drovers?

Whig Party
The Whig Party is sitting out the current situation in British politics. Brexit is a mess and the Tories are a shambolic government. We believe that there is a place for a socially liberal and economically literate party that stands up for progress, intelligence, and decency. But we don’t think we will make much impact right now. We chose not to stand any candidates at the 2017 General Election, and we expect not to stand any before 2022. Because next time we run, we’re running to win.
whigs.uk...

I quite like their manifesto (published for the 2015 GE, in which they did not stand), but have concerns their pro-euro stance could mean they prove another anti-democratic party. Also, full of luvvies.

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: ipsedixit
I don't get the point of your post, what are you getting out here?

Basically, I think that the UKIP are irresponsible people. They have been proven to be liars. Of course liars abound in politics, but this particular issue, whether to remain in the EU, is a lot more important than a local constituency issue or the typical pork barrel shenanigans that politicians lie about. Nigel Farage, every inch a butter wouldn't melt in his mouth prevaricator and demagogue, will soon be involved in the "Brexit Party".

I look at UKIP and Farage and I see manipulators in the same vein as Donald Trump. Trump talks like he cares about people at rallies and then loads his administration with representatives of the oligarchy and the banking class. These peoples' game is to sweet talk a bunch of dummies into supporting them and then run amok with austerity measures and a roll back of social security, health care and other services (called "entitlements" in the US).

You might as well call them the "Cut off your nose to spite your face party". They get people riled up at immigration and "rule taking", both very nebulous to the average person, except if they didn't like the look of a Muslim family in the high street, and then they convince these riled up people to vote for a party that is basically going to cut their throats and leave their corpses twisting in the wind.

The average person, both in the US and in Canada and in the UK and around the world just can't seem to get it through their heads that people like Donald Trump and Nigel Farage are con men who don't give a rat's fanny about them. Farage was some kind of stock jobber and Trump was a ruthless tenant evicting landlord and mob connected casino owner.

Personally I think we are in need of a new party because I feel politically homeless at the moment.

I hope the new Brexit Party makes you feel loved and wanted. That was part of the Trump schtick, telling the saps he loved them.

This Brexit business is about the country as a whole. Britain is going to leave the EU or remain in it. Virtually everyone inside or outside the UK believes that leaving the EU without some kind of "deal" on disengagement would be disastrous for the economy. The UKIP style Brexiters, and Blaiklock (Brexit Party) is one of these, see no problem with a "no deal" Brexit. Blaiklock sees no problem with a diet of salt and potatoes and chilis. Don't vote for these crackpots.

a reply to: ipsedixit


I would vote for Hillary Clinton if she got us out of the EU.

I'll vote for anyone who will make sure we leave

I dont think I'm alone in that!!

originally posted by: sapien82

originally posted by: angelchemuel

originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: angelchemuel

Lol!! Had to read it three times but I think I got the gist of it!!

In every debate/programme I've seen the Scots have ranted about

another referendum to leave the UK so that they can get into the EU

indeed I think its Sturgons obsessive ambition, Lord knows why!!!


IF they ever leave the UK what makes them think the EU will let them rejoin?

They have no *clout* without the rest of the UK.

The minute the SNP brought Salmond out of 'retirement' to head the Indy vote...I felt Scotland would never get it.
Rainbows
Jane

aye and look at him now !

Up to his neck in sexual assault charges

Exactly!!!!
Rainbows
Jane

a reply to: eletheia

If the UK leaves the EU it is going to be fascinating to watch, deal or no deal. The UK will be, to some extent, reinventing itself if it leaves the EU. There will be a cascade of effects from leaving the EU. I'm sure that the UK can right itself after such a shock to the system, but things are going to be different.

The relationship between the EU and UK will continue to evolve after they separate. It is possible that what is unacceptable now will be acceptable in a few years. It appears that no matter what happens the relationship between the two political entities is going to be fraught for some time to come.