#TheBestMenCanBe #Gillette

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option. As for my hubby and son, I agree with them and they agree with me, so your comments are non-sequitur.

Don't you understand the concept of dominance and social hierarchy? You see it throughout the animal world. It decides who gets the food and choice of mates. Beta males don't get any action.

When I grew up and got into a fight, they handed me boxing gloves. They need to fight it out. The only reason to interfere is when it gets out of hand.

We are above the animal world, or are we? All ape Beta males get a piece of the action too - they just have to wait.

Children should not be allowed to fight it out. If you are grown up and an adult and feel you can not handle social situations any other way besides violence, then i think you have a problem.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Boadicea

"But whereas you are perceiving the commercial of painting all men in a bad light, I am not seeing that. I never saw the Gillette commercial as painting all men in a bad light, much less thinking that the commercials I referred to were painting all women or all married couples in that bad light. Even if they were, I know better than to think it possible to paint any individuals in any group in the same light -- good or bad.

Don't you think most people know -- simply by virtue of their own experience -- that not all men are abusers or bullies?"

Yeah, I got the point.

Where the women's movement is now I think is they're getting past telling women to be men and now they're telling men to be women.

Nobody is telling anybody that, back on topic, Gillette is telling us that bullying is wrong and good men should step up and stop it. That's it.

No they aren't. It's a commercial. Gillette is telling us to buy their razor blades.

Well, they are doing what other corporations are doing now, making a moral stance publicly.

It's all about the money. Maybe they think most men let their girlfriend decide what razor they use.

a reply to: toms54

Where the women's movement is now I think is they're getting past telling women to be men and now they're telling men to be women.

That's partly true -- and absolutely despicable.

But there is a growing faction of the feminist crowd which is adamantly and vociferously against it. And, of course, given the penchant to label anyone and everyone, they've been slapped with "TERF" -- Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminists.

Yup. You read that right. The women fighting for women... the women saying "trans women are not women"... are called the "radicals." And are being attacked unmercifully for it -- both verbally and physically.

I'd like to say "can't make this stuff up," but that's exactly what it is. It's all made up in some folks heads.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option. As for my hubby and son, I agree with them and they agree with me, so your comments are non-sequitur.

Don't you understand the concept of dominance and social hierarchy? You see it throughout the animal world. It decides who gets the food and choice of mates. Beta males don't get any action.

When I grew up and got into a fight, they handed me boxing gloves. They need to fight it out. The only reason to interfere is when it gets out of hand.

We are above the animal world, or are we? All ape Beta males get a piece of the action too - they just have to wait.

Children should not be allowed to fight it out. If you are grown up and an adult and feel you can not handle social situations any other way besides violence, then i think you have a problem.

So, if I disagree with you I am not "evolved" and have a problem. See, this ability to diminish others opinions is part of the problem. Perhaps we will never agree, and I am fine with that. But don't tell ME what it means to grow from a boy to a man unless you've been there and done that. I would NEVER assume I know what its like to be a girl growing into a woman. Why can't you adopt the same level of evolved understanding? Unless you have a problem.

a reply to: Boadicea

So no flattery, no innuendo, no masculinity at all (obviously).

Hm.

Will being a total pussy work? Is that how you like your men?

Of course you don't. The astute will notice that even hardcore feminists still opine for the alpha douche.

I think they all hung around my house for the good eats. Heavy eats, made them want to settle down and sleep. LOL Reply to Boadicea

I recall years ago when the LGBT...? groups were attempting to perform the corporate shakedown similar to Jesse Jackson's race baiting shakedowns of the previous decade, and Approached a tea company, said they were polled one of the favorites of their community, and would you give to our various causes. The tea company responded with a press release simply stating that they were in the business of making the best teas in the world, and that would remain their primary focus.
I Love that.

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Lysergic

Do these women even buy blades? All the women I know use disposable razors.

You know what? I actually had to go check and see what I use!

Gillette Fusion, if you're really curious, with replaceable heads.

a reply to: InTheLight

Well beating other kids up is usually not the path to great success in life, as far as I can tell. But I don't think screaming and beating a pillow helps either, although it's better than bottling it up inside. I still think if someone is bullying you then ideally that frustration should be released on the bully, whether that means beating them up or just verbally beating them up. Of course it's usually unwise to hit someone. And unfortunately the bully has the advantage most of the time, which enables their bullying in the first place.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option. As for my hubby and son, I agree with them and they agree with me, so your comments are non-sequitur.

Don't you understand the concept of dominance and social hierarchy? You see it throughout the animal world. It decides who gets the food and choice of mates. Beta males don't get any action.

When I grew up and got into a fight, they handed me boxing gloves. They need to fight it out. The only reason to interfere is when it gets out of hand.

We are above the animal world, or are we? All ape Beta males get a piece of the action too - they just have to wait.

Children should not be allowed to fight it out. If you are grown up and an adult and feel you can not handle social situations any other way besides violence, then i think you have a problem.

That's just your way to be the boss. Decide who fights and who gets the treats.

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option. As for my hubby and son, I agree with them and they agree with me, so your comments are non-sequitur.

Don't you understand the concept of dominance and social hierarchy? You see it throughout the animal world. It decides who gets the food and choice of mates. Beta males don't get any action.

When I grew up and got into a fight, they handed me boxing gloves. They need to fight it out. The only reason to interfere is when it gets out of hand.

We are above the animal world, or are we? All ape Beta males get a piece of the action too - they just have to wait.

Children should not be allowed to fight it out. If you are grown up and an adult and feel you can not handle social situations any other way besides violence, then i think you have a problem.

So, if I disagree with you I am not "evolved" and have a problem. See, this ability to diminish others opinions is part of the problem. Perhaps we will never agree, and I am fine with that. But don't tell ME what it means to grow from a boy to a man unless you've been there and done that. I would NEVER assume I know what its like to be a girl growing into a woman. Why can't you adopt the same level of evolved understanding? Unless you have a problem.

As I said previously, your life's experiences are only yours. I have other men's life's experiences that are opposite to yours. So, don't tell me that I don't understand, because I do fully understand my husband's and son's experiences. Especially my husbands's experiences growing up during the 50's and 60's where the mindset for boys was to use violence to solve disputes. My husband was a big strong child and teenager, and was bullied and attacked for being one of the biggest kids around - just because he was bigger than everyone else. The same with my son, a very gentle giant, he said he was targetted at parties by smaller drunk guys because they had to prove something.

Yes, if you allow a child to fight to solve the problem with violence and not show both children how to resolve conflict, then yes, you have a problem.

If you are an adult and choose to solve your problems with violence only, then yes you have a problem.

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Lysergic

Do these women even buy blades? All the women I know use disposable razors.

You know what? I actually had to go check and see what I use!

Gillette Fusion, if you're really curious, with replaceable heads.

You are in the minority. Most women use this:

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option. As for my hubby and son, I agree with them and they agree with me, so your comments are non-sequitur.

Don't you understand the concept of dominance and social hierarchy? You see it throughout the animal world. It decides who gets the food and choice of mates. Beta males don't get any action.

When I grew up and got into a fight, they handed me boxing gloves. They need to fight it out. The only reason to interfere is when it gets out of hand.

We are above the animal world, or are we? All ape Beta males get a piece of the action too - they just have to wait.

Children should not be allowed to fight it out. If you are grown up and an adult and feel you can not handle social situations any other way besides violence, then i think you have a problem.

That's just your way to be the boss. Decide who fights and who gets the treats.

Or just the right way to be a teacher.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option. As for my hubby and son, I agree with them and they agree with me, so your comments are non-sequitur.

Don't you understand the concept of dominance and social hierarchy? You see it throughout the animal world. It decides who gets the food and choice of mates. Beta males don't get any action.

When I grew up and got into a fight, they handed me boxing gloves. They need to fight it out. The only reason to interfere is when it gets out of hand.

We are above the animal world, or are we? All ape Beta males get a piece of the action too - they just have to wait.

Children should not be allowed to fight it out. If you are grown up and an adult and feel you can not handle social situations any other way besides violence, then i think you have a problem.

So, if I disagree with you I am not "evolved" and have a problem. See, this ability to diminish others opinions is part of the problem. Perhaps we will never agree, and I am fine with that. But don't tell ME what it means to grow from a boy to a man unless you've been there and done that. I would NEVER assume I know what its like to be a girl growing into a woman. Why can't you adopt the same level of evolved understanding? Unless you have a problem.

As I said previously, your life's experiences are only yours. I have other men's life's experiences that are opposite to yours. So, don't tell me that I don't understand, because I do fully understand my husband's and son's experiences. Especially my husbands's experiences growing up during the 50's and 60's where the mindset for boys was to use violence to solve disputes. My husband was a big strong child and teenager, and was bullied and attacked for being one of the biggest kids around - just because he was bigger than everyone else. The same with my son, a very gentle giant, he said he was targetted at parties by smaller drunk guys because they had to prove something.

Yes, if you allow a child to fight to solve the problem with violence and not show both children how to resolve conflict, then yes, you have a problem.

If you are an adult and choose to solve your problems with violence only, then yes you have a problem.

Again, you can NEVER fully understand what it is like unless you grew up a little boy and grew into a man. All you can do is try to understand....period. If you truly believe you know, then you have a serious personality disorder and an obviously a superiority complex. No woman can fully understand a boy --> man experience, just as no man can fully understand a girl --> woman experience. Unless you are a transgender post adolescence, and now live as a "woman".

In which case your experience IS your own....and unique to you.

Please stop stating you fully understand because you cannot....period. And your hubby's not going to disagree with you. This I do know.

a reply to: NthOther

My husband is alpha in all the right ways and all the best ways... and, unfortunately, in some not-so-right ways. I had to tell him to stop being a perv yesterday in fact.

However, the operative word is "husband." As in that's between him and me and not you or anyone else.

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option. As for my hubby and son, I agree with them and they agree with me, so your comments are non-sequitur.

Don't you understand the concept of dominance and social hierarchy? You see it throughout the animal world. It decides who gets the food and choice of mates. Beta males don't get any action.

When I grew up and got into a fight, they handed me boxing gloves. They need to fight it out. The only reason to interfere is when it gets out of hand.

We are above the animal world, or are we? All ape Beta males get a piece of the action too - they just have to wait.

Children should not be allowed to fight it out. If you are grown up and an adult and feel you can not handle social situations any other way besides violence, then i think you have a problem.

So, if I disagree with you I am not "evolved" and have a problem. See, this ability to diminish others opinions is part of the problem. Perhaps we will never agree, and I am fine with that. But don't tell ME what it means to grow from a boy to a man unless you've been there and done that. I would NEVER assume I know what its like to be a girl growing into a woman. Why can't you adopt the same level of evolved understanding? Unless you have a problem.

As I said previously, your life's experiences are only yours. I have other men's life's experiences that are opposite to yours. So, don't tell me that I don't understand, because I do fully understand my husband's and son's experiences. Especially my husbands's experiences growing up during the 50's and 60's where the mindset for boys was to use violence to solve disputes. My husband was a big strong child and teenager, and was bullied and attacked for being one of the biggest kids around - just because he was bigger than everyone else. The same with my son, a very gentle giant, he said he was targetted at parties by smaller drunk guys because they had to prove something.

Yes, if you allow a child to fight to solve the problem with violence and not show both children how to resolve conflict, then yes, you have a problem.

If you are an adult and choose to solve your problems with violence only, then yes you have a problem.

Again, you can NEVER fully understand what it is like unless you grew up a little boy and grew into a man. All you can do is try to understand....period. If you truly believe you know, then you have a serious personality disorder and an obviously superiority complex. No woman can fully understand a boy --> man experience, just as no man can fully understand a girl > woman experience. Unless you are a transgender post adolescence, and now live as a "woman".

In which case your experience IS you own....and unique to you.

Please stop stating you full understand because you cannot....period. And your hubby's not going to disagree with you. This I do know.

I fully understand what it feels like to be bullied and challenged to an after-school fight. This is not strictly a boy growing to manhood thing. So get real.

a reply to: Cutepants

The lack of consequences is what enables bullying.

Which is precisely why bullies need a good ass kicking.

Nothing cures bullying like having your ass beat by the nerd you're bullying.

Also does wonders for the bullied's self-esteem.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: Cutepants

The lack of consequences is what enables bullying.

Which is precisely why bullies need a good ass kicking.

Nothing cures bullying like having your ass beat by the nerd you're bullying.

Also does wonders for the bullied's self-esteem.

Some experts are saying the bullies were those that were previously bullied or abused in some way, then turn it around to hurt others. So nothing will ever be learned through continued violence.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option. As for my hubby and son, I agree with them and they agree with me, so your comments are non-sequitur.

Don't you understand the concept of dominance and social hierarchy? You see it throughout the animal world. It decides who gets the food and choice of mates. Beta males don't get any action.

When I grew up and got into a fight, they handed me boxing gloves. They need to fight it out. The only reason to interfere is when it gets out of hand.

We are above the animal world, or are we? All ape Beta males get a piece of the action too - they just have to wait.

Children should not be allowed to fight it out. If you are grown up and an adult and feel you can not handle social situations any other way besides violence, then i think you have a problem.

So, if I disagree with you I am not "evolved" and have a problem. See, this ability to diminish others opinions is part of the problem. Perhaps we will never agree, and I am fine with that. But don't tell ME what it means to grow from a boy to a man unless you've been there and done that. I would NEVER assume I know what its like to be a girl growing into a woman. Why can't you adopt the same level of evolved understanding? Unless you have a problem.

As I said previously, your life's experiences are only yours. I have other men's life's experiences that are opposite to yours. So, don't tell me that I don't understand, because I do fully understand my husband's and son's experiences. Especially my husbands's experiences growing up during the 50's and 60's where the mindset for boys was to use violence to solve disputes. My husband was a big strong child and teenager, and was bullied and attacked for being one of the biggest kids around - just because he was bigger than everyone else. The same with my son, a very gentle giant, he said he was targetted at parties by smaller drunk guys because they had to prove something.

Yes, if you allow a child to fight to solve the problem with violence and not show both children how to resolve conflict, then yes, you have a problem.

If you are an adult and choose to solve your problems with violence only, then yes you have a problem.

Again, you can NEVER fully understand what it is like unless you grew up a little boy and grew into a man. All you can do is try to understand....period. If you truly believe you know, then you have a serious personality disorder and an obviously superiority complex. No woman can fully understand a boy --> man experience, just as no man can fully understand a girl > woman experience. Unless you are a transgender post adolescence, and now live as a "woman".

In which case your experience IS you own....and unique to you.

Please stop stating you full understand because you cannot....period. And your hubby's not going to disagree with you. This I do know.

I fully understand what it feels like to be bullied and challenged to an after-school fight. This is not strictly a boy growing to manhood thing. So get real.

Now who is twisting things? I said you cannot fully understand boy --> man. Period.... You cannot, and will never. All you can do is approximate an understanding. That is as close as you will ever get. So, please stop deluding yourself that you know.

a reply to: Boadicea

They call themselves radicals though, they are proud of that. I guess their problem with that term is that it implies they should include trans as women. And they don't think men can be feminists, but they do think female to male trans can be feminists, so technically TERF as a name for them is wrong.

EDIT: Actually now that I think about it, they don't really think FtM are proper feminists. So TERF is accurate. They just say it's a slur.