#TheBestMenCanBe #Gillette

originally posted by: Lysergic

a reply to: InTheLight


Thank god they told us it was wrong.

I mean it's not like we knew that on our own.

Rape still bad?

What do you think?

"It gave me a certain feeling of power over that person. I wouldn’t have said it then, but it’s obvious to me looking back that I was lost and out of control."

www.scoopwhoop.com...

a reply to: InTheLight

Are you a redhead?

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: InTheLight

Are you a redhead?

Golden-haired surprise.

a reply to: Lysergic

Do these women even buy blades? All the women I know use disposable razors.

a reply to: InTheLight

Sounds like a bad porno.

a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option. As for my hubby and son, I agree with them and they agree with me, so your comments are non-sequitur.

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: InTheLight

Sounds like a bad porno.

Yep, right back at ya.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Boadicea

"But whereas you are perceiving the commercial of painting all men in a bad light, I am not seeing that. I never saw the Gillette commercial as painting all men in a bad light, much less thinking that the commercials I referred to were painting all women or all married couples in that bad light. Even if they were, I know better than to think it possible to paint any individuals in any group in the same light -- good or bad.

Don't you think most people know -- simply by virtue of their own experience -- that not all men are abusers or bullies?"

Yeah, I got the point.

Where the women's movement is now I think is they're getting past telling women to be men and now they're telling men to be women.

Nobody is telling anybody that, back on topic, Gillette is telling us that bullying is wrong and good men should step up and stop it. That's it.

No they aren't. It's a commercial. Gillette is telling us to buy their razor blades.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Yes! Thank you!!! This is the type of thing I was trying to get at -- I can work with this!

Your points are very well taken, but I don't think we can blame just feminists for this. There has been a massive and seemingly coordinated effort from all sides to turn us all into helpless quivering snowflakes. Can't stand up for yourself because that's mean. Can't fight back because that's bad. Can't use this word or that word because of someone's feelz. (And all the while, we get... um... violated without benefit of lubricant by the critters with a smile on their face.)

Calling out bullies is all well and good as far as it goes. But we also have to remind ourselves -- and teach our kids -- not to give others so much damn power over us. "Sticks and stones" and all that. But also physical self-defense and fighting tactics. We need to arm and empower our kids and teach them how to handle the jerks in life.

So while I don't disagree that feminists have been part of this massive "meeking down" so to speak, we need to look at the bigger picture, recognize the seemingly diverse efforts with the same ultimate result, cherry pick the truths and virtues from the crap, and force the conversation forward.

originally posted by: toms54

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Boadicea

"But whereas you are perceiving the commercial of painting all men in a bad light, I am not seeing that. I never saw the Gillette commercial as painting all men in a bad light, much less thinking that the commercials I referred to were painting all women or all married couples in that bad light. Even if they were, I know better than to think it possible to paint any individuals in any group in the same light -- good or bad.

Don't you think most people know -- simply by virtue of their own experience -- that not all men are abusers or bullies?"

Yeah, I got the point.

Where the women's movement is now I think is they're getting past telling women to be men and now they're telling men to be women.

Nobody is telling anybody that, back on topic, Gillette is telling us that bullying is wrong and good men should step up and stop it. That's it.

No they aren't. It's a commercial. Gillette is telling us to buy their razor blades.

Well, they are doing what other corporations are doing now, making a moral stance publicly.

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option.

Defending yourself against a bully sometimes requires fighting. By stating all fighting is wrong, you are removing that option from the toolbox of solutions. That is what I am saying. And having a good adult male role model that understands that, and is willing to stand back and allow that to happen is important. The "zero tolerance" against this sort of fighting back has resulted in more frustration,. anger and lashing out (i.e. school shootings, etc...) becoming more prevalent.

Letting them blow off some of that steam in a controlled manner is better than telling them to bottle it up and it is wrong, always. Might as well lock up a pressure cooker and not expect it to eventually blow up violently, then be surprised it happened.

Boys will fight...but need instruction on when it is justified and when it is not. We as a society are removing that level of knowledge as more men grow up without having that as a model. It is making it worse, because refusing to acknowledge that natural reaction to testosterone should be focused properly and not just shut down completely.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Krakatoa

Yes! Thank you!!! This is the type of thing I was trying to get at -- I can work with this!

Your points are very well taken, but I don't think we can blame just feminists for this. There has been a massive and seemingly coordinated effort from all sides to turn us all into helpless quivering snowflakes. Can't stand up for yourself because that's mean. Can't fight back because that's bad. Can't use this word or that word because of someone's feelz. (And all the while, we get... um... violated without benefit of lubricant by the critters with a smile on their face.)

Calling out bullies is all well and good as far as it goes. But we also have to remind ourselves -- and teach our kids -- not to give others so much damn power over us. "Sticks and stones" and all that. But also physical self-defense and fighting tactics. We need to arm and empower our kids and teach them how to handle the jerks in life.

So while I don't disagree that feminists have been part of this massive "meeking down" so to speak, we need to look at the bigger picture, recognize the seemingly diverse efforts with the same ultimate result, cherry pick the truths and virtues from the crap, and force the conversation forward.

Yes, bad feminists forcing people to do the right thing.

originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option.

Defending yourself against a bully sometimes requires fighting. By stating all fighting is wrong, you are removing that option from the toolbox of solutions. That is what I am saying. And having a good adult male role model that understands that, and is willing to stand back and allow that to happen is important. The "zero tolerance" against this sort of fighting back has resulted in more frustration,. anger and lashing out (i.e. school shootings, etc...) becoming more prevalent.

Letting them blow off some of that steam in a controlled manner is better than telling them to bottle it up and it is wrong, always. Might as well lock up a pressure cooker and not expect it to eventually blow up violently, then be surprised it happened.

Boys will fight...but need instruction on when it is justified and when it is not. We as a society are removing that level of knowledge as more men grow up without having that as a model. It is making it worse, because refusing to acknowledge that natural reaction to testosterone should be focused properly and not just shut down completely.

Sorry, I meant fighting between children is wrong and should be stopped, as well as the children taught how to handle and behave in dealing with difficult social situations and encounters. Adults are responsible for their own actions.

Mind over testosterone?

I had my young son scream and punch a pillow to relieve that tension.

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: Krakatoa

I will repeat my stance again, bullying is wrong and fights should be stopped for both sexes. Learning self-defense, to me, is a way to learn self-control and fear less and, of course, to defend yourself should you have no other option. As for my hubby and son, I agree with them and they agree with me, so your comments are non-sequitur.

Don't you understand the concept of dominance and social hierarchy? You see it throughout the animal world. It decides who gets the food and choice of mates. Beta males don't get any action.

When I grew up and got into a fight, they handed me boxing gloves. They need to fight it out. The only reason to interfere is when it gets out of hand.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: Krakatoa

Yes! Thank you!!! This is the type of thing I was trying to get at -- I can work with this!

Your points are very well taken, but I don't think we can blame just feminists for this. There has been a massive and seemingly coordinated effort from all sides to turn us all into helpless quivering snowflakes. Can't stand up for yourself because that's mean. Can't fight back because that's bad. Can't use this word or that word because of someone's feelz. (And all the while, we get... um... violated without benefit of lubricant by the critters with a smile on their face.)

Calling out bullies is all well and good as far as it goes. But we also have to remind ourselves -- and teach our kids -- not to give others so much damn power over us. "Sticks and stones" and all that. But also physical self-defense and fighting tactics. We need to arm and empower our kids and teach them how to handle the jerks in life.

So while I don't disagree that feminists have been part of this massive "meeking down" so to speak, we need to look at the bigger picture, recognize the seemingly diverse efforts with the same ultimate result, cherry pick the truths and virtues from the crap, and force the conversation forward.

Thank you for understanding my point. And, to clarify, I never said ALL feminists. I clearly stated RADICAL feminists were to blame here. Any extreme be it violent men or radical feminists are bad....always. Just like "zero tolerance" policies are bad, since they do not take into account the specifics of each event, and develop a solution that fits. It is easier to just say, "its all bad, stop it always".

And, as for school administration responses, it is all due to being fearful of legal repercussions. They don't care if they are damaging the kids psyche at all, only that they don't want to pay $$$ to defend a position that is unpopular.

a reply to: InTheLight

All the boys hung out at my house too and that was while hubby was at work or sleeping...it was mostly on me.

LOL -- me too! One of the best things we ever did was put up a hoop for them. That would keep them busy for a long time, and by the time I called them in for drinks and to cool off, they'd worked off much of their energy. They always got a second burst, but it kept them manageable.

Sometimes I'd put them to work in the garden, which they really enjoyed. Another way to burn off energy, but I got something out of it too.

And then there were the sprinklers. What kid doesn't love running in the sprinklers?

Awww... good times, eh? (At least looking back... I'm sure it was much more frustrating and tiring back then!)

a reply to: InTheLight

Repress our hormones?

I thought that was bad.

Or is that only for people who go nuts (no pun intended) and want to change their sex?

a reply to: NthOther

If flattery won't work, you can be damn sure obscenities won't work.

originally posted by: toms54

No they aren't. It's a commercial. Gillette is telling us to buy their razor blades.

Meanwhile, at the Gillette board meeting ...

"Well, Sarah, that certainly was a bleak third quarter earnings report. Now let's hear from Morgan in marketing. I hear you have a new ad campaign to turn this around."

"That's right, sir. The core of the new campaign is, 'Don't be a bully, buy Gillette razors!'"

Silence

"Dammit Morgan! Who do you think buys our razors? Skinheads or man-buns? You're fired!"

originally posted by: NthOther
a reply to: InTheLight

Repress our hormones?

I thought that was bad.

Or is that only for people who go nuts (no pun intended) and want to change their sex?

Yes, it is a schizophrenic message. Is it any wonder kids are so confused these days?

Its not OK to defend yourself against a bully by giving them a beat down. But, it is OK to claim you are not the gender you were born with because of "feelz".

SMH