#TheBestMenCanBe #Gillette

a reply to: Boadicea

So not this kind, then?


*nudges InTheLight

a reply to: ketsuko

But seriously, this is like Starbucks writing about racism on all their cups before handing them to customers. Sure ... not all their customers are racist, but that didn't stop them from seeming like corporate scolds now did it?

I don't remember that, so I have no opinion on it. Generally speaking though, people say lots of stupid things, and no matter what I do or say there's going to be someone critical of it. It just is what it is.

And quite honestly, more often than not, the ones with the stupidest opinions are the ones I don't think enough of to care about. Why do so many people give a rats patootie what someone else thinks of them?

As long as they don't have any power over me, it's all good. Gillette isn't wielding any power, and folks are making far more of this than it is, rather than agreeing in principle and spirit and suggesting better ways to handle the very real issues involved.

Define terms. Make the distinctions you want to make. Provide real life examples of real awesome men. Tell Gillette how to do better. Krakatoa has made many excellent points about the importance of boys not only knowing when to stand up to bullying, but how to stand up to it. Another made the excellent point that some kids need to get their ass kicked before they get a clue. InTheLight has brought up the importance of adults paying attention and getting appropriately involved.

This isn't rocket science.

a reply to: NthOther

Nope! Not even close.

a reply to: InTheLight

"Gillette believes in the best in men," Coombe said. "By holding each other accountable, eliminating excuses for bad behavior, and supporting a new generation working toward their personal ‘best,' we can help create positive change that will matter for years to come."

Very well said indeed!

We can and should do better and this is a step in the right direction. I for one appreciate it!

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Boadicea

Gillette tells men they're reulsive creeps ... now give them your money, you piece of trash!

Warning! Some satire may be involved.

Gillette has learned that in [current year], it's not enough for a company to make a product that people want. It's not enough to make them feel inadequate about themselves, and then sell them the supposed cure for that inadequacy. Consumers, men in particular, must be made to feel worthless. They have to be reminded that their needs and desires are wrong under any circumstances, that their instincts are loathsome, that their very existence is a malignancy, and that they're responsible for all the world's ills whether they want to admit it or not.

Now give them your money, you piece of garbage.

But seriously, this is like Starbucks writing about racism on all their cups before handing them to customers. Sure ... not all their customers are racist, but that didn't stop them from seeming like corporate scolds now did it?

Thank you! It feels good to hear I'm not the only one that got that kind of impression.

a reply to: Boadicea

I'm not saying it's a PC word or acronym, just that it's technically accurate. Like, saying a black person is a niger is accurate, but it's still racist.

Yeah, I know about that stuff.

a reply to: Boadicea

Well you gained intelligence and respect points but lost some ground in the sexdoll category.

It's weird, I know. *shrug

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: Boadicea

I'm not saying it's a PC word or acronym, just that it's technically accurate. Like, saying a black person is a niger is accurate, but it's still racist.

Yeah, I know about that stuff.

Fair enough -- Thank you for clarifying.

Yes, the "trans exclusionary" is technically accurate -- but I wouldn't call it radical to exclude natal men from natal female groups. I'd call it about as conservative as can be. But that's the least of what I don't understand.

a reply to: NthOther

I can live with that.

I'm quite happy to live with that!

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: Cutepants
a reply to: Boadicea

I'm not saying it's a PC word or acronym, just that it's technically accurate. Like, saying a black person is a niger is accurate, but it's still racist.

Yeah, I know about that stuff.

Fair enough -- Thank you for clarifying.

Yes, the "trans exclusionary" is technically accurate -- but I wouldn't call it radical to exclude natal men from natal female groups. I'd call it about as conservative as can be. But that's the least of what I don't understand.

How do you feel about trans men competing in women's sports? It's everywhere these days. I think they're even going that way in the Olympics now. And let's not forget Serena Williams. I have no proof but she looks like a man to me, the way she 'roided up.

originally posted by: Cutepants
Like, saying a black person is a niger is accurate, but it's still racist.

I think I was wrong here because black people aren't literally black, they're brown or really dark brown. But whatever.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eXia7
Just grow a beard in protest.

Don't most millenials and older millenials already don beards? Within my sphere of life I see many do.

I have a beard, I guess im part of millenials, but I earned my beard. Most of these hipsters don't deserve a beard.

How do you earn a beard? (new one on me)

Because I get out and do the grunt work, out in the trenches making my life better. Not sitting on the internet in my mom's basement complaining on social media about toxic masculinity while I look for the best skin care and facial products on the market while sitting in skinny jeans with thick rimmed glasses with feminine personality.


Feminine men do not deserve beards.

What is a feminine man? Never saw or met one of those before.

Oh I'm sure you have. If you can't tell a man is masculine or feminine then you aren't looking hard enough.

originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eXia7
Just grow a beard in protest.

Don't most millenials and older millenials already don beards? Within my sphere of life I see many do.

I have a beard, I guess im part of millenials, but I earned my beard. Most of these hipsters don't deserve a beard.

How do you earn a beard? (new one on me)

Because I get out and do the grunt work, out in the trenches making my life better. Not sitting on the internet in my mom's basement complaining on social media about toxic masculinity while I look for the best skin care and facial products on the market while sitting in skinny jeans with thick rimmed glasses with feminine personality.


Feminine men do not deserve beards.

What is a feminine man? Never saw or met one of those before.

Oh I'm sure you have. If you can't tell a man is masculine or feminine then you aren't looking hard enough.

No doubt men like some of our more vocal progressive female members are married to LMAO!

a reply to: toms54

How do you feel about trans men competing in women's sports? It's everywhere these days. I think they're even going that way in the Olympics now. And let's not forget Serena Williams. I have no proof but she looks like a man to me, the way she 'roided up.

Wow! You've managed to miss my many tirades on these issues??? That's talent (or just sheer luck!).

I am adamantly and unequivocally against men forcing themselves into female competitions -- in more clinical terms, male bodied persons competing against female bodied persons. There is no competition. They will eventually dominate natal females. And if given long enough, there will no longer be virtually any women's competitions, only "trans women" competitions.

It's a certainty.

I won't comment on any particular woman, much less wonder. Women come in all shapes, sizes and colors and it's all good. But even the best female competitors they don't have the same physical strength and endurance of male competitors.

a reply to: Boadicea

What's to stop all men from declaring they are women? I think they measure testosterone in some places but they don't require any surgery. Eventually they will have to give up on male and female categories. There will only be sports.

originally posted by: ker2010

originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eXia7

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: eXia7
Just grow a beard in protest.

Don't most millenials and older millenials already don beards? Within my sphere of life I see many do.

I have a beard, I guess im part of millenials, but I earned my beard. Most of these hipsters don't deserve a beard.

How do you earn a beard? (new one on me)

Because I get out and do the grunt work, out in the trenches making my life better. Not sitting on the internet in my mom's basement complaining on social media about toxic masculinity while I look for the best skin care and facial products on the market while sitting in skinny jeans with thick rimmed glasses with feminine personality.


Feminine men do not deserve beards.

What is a feminine man? Never saw or met one of those before.

Oh I'm sure you have. If you can't tell a man is masculine or feminine then you aren't looking hard enough.

No doubt men like some of our more vocal progressive female members are married to LMAO!

Yeah that guy looks too soft to have a beard. You can tell it doesn't fit his personality. I'm sure that guy hasn't seen a hard day's work in his life.

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Boadicea

What's to stop all men from declaring they are women?

Sanity and mental stability.

originally posted by: toms54
a reply to: Boadicea

What's to stop all men from declaring they are women?

Increasingly, not a damn thing. It's called self-ID. And gender affirming treatment. So accept them at their "feelz" -- no psychological counseling or even any real diagnostic measures -- and get them on hormones. No need for any surgery either, altho it's pretty common for men to get "top" surgery and not "bottom" surgery.

I think they measure testosterone in some places but they don't require any surgery. Eventually they will have to give up on male and female categories. There will only be sports.

If it came to that, and "trans women" had to compete with men, how long until they dropped out of either the sport or the "trans woman" claims? It would serve them right, because that's exactly what they are doing to women now.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Sanity and mental stability.

Touche! Damn fine answer