Gravity.

a reply to: turbonium1

Without resistance huh. So they don't have to flap their wings to fly? And if they stop flapping their wings, they just keep flying?

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

It's impossible to touch anything. Atoms don't touch, just repel likeMagnets

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: turbonium1

Without resistance huh. So they don't have to flap their wings to fly? And if they stop flapping their wings, they just keep flying?

Because they have mass, same as all things have mass.

Mass and density of objects in air fall through air, nothing is 'pulling things down'...


There's no force in play. Forces don't act like that.


Magnetic force is a perfect example of an actual, proven force. It's simple to compare it to gravity, no?


You want to excuse any comparisons, because they fail to support gravity. You know this.


The idea of a force in Earth is based on objects falling to the surface. This couldn't happen without a 'force' in Earth, because if a force wasn't there, in Earth, nothing could be held to the Earth, obviously!! Everything would float in space!


Not because you know about space, or prove space actually is what you claim it is....

Actual evidence of space, doesn't matter, anyway.


Even when all the valid evidence is against this claim, it is not relevant!


After we see our moon below our blue skies, it's not relevant!

After all our stars have always remained above Earth, it's not relevant!


After birds fly above the Earth without any force resisting their flight, it's not relevant!

a reply to: turbonium1

I'm impressed at the mental gymnastics you go through. The fact that they have to flap proves there's resistance. If there was no resistance they wouldn't need to flap. But you keep twisting everything to fit that bizarre world you live in.

In other words, the only reason things fall down in the mind of the flat earth believer is "down syndrome"

makes perfect sense

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

What about the toilet bowl flush, or water vortexes like it was a black hole without the extreme force or pressure? On a planet there is an up or down, left or right while in space there is none.

All the while it works like electricity but it isn't, and yet the simplest of term defining electricity is that it is water.

Dbl

Are we floating or is the flat plain we live on getting rocketed into the sky by a "floating" turtle thereby keeping us down on the earth?

Is this all happening at a nice controlled rate? Is this flat earth or bible bull#?

WTF is the question again?

Birds have to overcome their own mass, in order to fly in air.

Why assume birds fly despite the greatest, most powerful force that exists within our vast, endless universe, which nothing resists, not even a moon could escape it's grasp, 1/4 million miles out! The force holds all things on Earth, and the entire atmosphere of Earth, and spinning every object, whether above, or on the Earth, at the same time, because gravity is the greatest force known to 'exist' within our vast, endless universe, which holds all stars, planets, to all their vast galaxies, like the 'Milky Way' galaxy. Our solar system, is one of countless solar systems, within the Milky Way galaxy. The universe has endless galaxies, too.


And it's very good to believe all of this, today, after centuries of confirming a lie, over and over again, with endless more lies, on top of it...

The lie of Earth being round, holds up all their other lies, to this very day.


If the Earth is round, it's also in space, and if Earth is in space, it has to spin itself, and orbit the Sun, which won't work unless the Sun is millions of miles away from Earth, and far, far bigger in size. They were stunned to find out the Sun 'appeared' to be the same size as the moon, on Earth, because it's perfectly placed within space, within the solar system, so that we see our Sun, and the moon, as if they were the exact same size!! It's an 'illusion', though.

The Sun is millions of miles from Earth, and the moon is only 1/4 million miles away. But, amazingly, the Sun happens to be the perfect size to match up with the moon, when we see it on Earth!!


What are the odds of such an amazing coincidence, really?

What about the odds of Polaris being the exact north point of Earth, for thousands of years?

All of us were told all this sort of crap, in school, by media, and so on. We were told how stupid people were, back then. Only a fool would ever believe the Earth is flat, anymore!! They deserve ridicule, and mockery, for sure! Nobody will want to speak about it, after they know what happens if they dare mention it, to any others!


Talk about being a bunch of well-trained monkeys, that's a perfect example of it....

originally posted by: Analbumcover
Are we floating or is the flat plain we live on getting rocketed into the sky by a "floating" turtle thereby keeping us down on the earth?

Is this all happening at a nice controlled rate? Is this flat earth or bible bull#?

WTF is the question again?

All of the religions spoke of this, whether or not it's true, whether or not you believe it is true, they did speak about it, and if it's all made up, or tall tales, it would not have the same, exact details on Earth's creation.


Why do they describe a specific type of 'covering', which was placed above the Earth?

All of them had no idea about any other religious texts written elsewhere, earlier on, or later on..but let's say they copied each others texts, anyway....


They mapped the flat Earth, which could only be possible if they did map the Earth.


That's not about religion, or faith, in any way.


How can they map every continent of Earth, in superb detail, except - somehow - circled a wall around Earth, for no reason, while Antarctica wasn't shown at all??


Are you serious?

Gravity is that thing that makes fat people in space attract skinny people in space.

a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Two words for you, centrifugal force.
Fill a bucket with water, spin it round and see the water stay in, same principle...

originally posted by: djz3ro
a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Two words for you, centrifugal force.
Fill a bucket with water, spin it round and see the water stay in, same principle...

You really believe this supports your argument?

Centrifugal force doesn't exist, same as gravitational force doesn't exist.

You are comparing a non-existent, imaginary force, to another non-existent, imaginary force.


What's the point in your trying to compare two imaginary forces? Sheesh..

Why is centrifugal force an imaginary force?

It is not acting as a force. It appears to act as a force, but it does not exist. A real force will act as a force. Any force that does not act like all real forces do, are not real forces.

Same as gravity is not a real force. It does not act like all real forces do. As I've told you many times before.

There is no reason to believe gravity exists, except that your entire argument depends on imaginary, impossible, fantasy forces like gravity.

An invented force is better than no force, apparently!

a reply to: turbonium1

This is why it doesn't become easier to climb stairs when higher up/

Every object in the universe attracts every other object. The gravitational force formula, also known as Newton's Law of Gravitation, defines the magnitude of the force between any two objects. The formula for the gravitational force includes the gravitational constant, which has a value . The unit of the gravitational force is Newtons (N).

Fg = gravitational force between two objects ()

G = gravitational constant ()

m1 = mass of the first object (kg)

m2 = mass of the second object (kg)

r = distance between objects (m)

The diferrence in distance r between to top & bottom of your stairs has next to know effect because the MASS of the Earth is huge compared to you.

They say an empty vessel makes the most noise you must have an absolute vacuum between the ears.

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: djz3ro
a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Two words for you, centrifugal force.
Fill a bucket with water, spin it round and see the water stay in, same principle...

You really believe this supports your argument?

Centrifugal force doesn't exist, same as gravitational force doesn't exist.

You are comparing a non-existent, imaginary force, to another non-existent, imaginary force.


What's the point in your trying to compare two imaginary forces? Sheesh..

So if the experiment I mentioned was carried out, what is stopping the water pouring put the bucket? Some force is acting on it, if Gravity and Centrifugal Force don't exist, what gives?

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: turbonium1

This is why it doesn't become easier to climb stairs when higher up/

Every object in the universe attracts every other object. The gravitational force formula, also known as Newton's Law of Gravitation, defines the magnitude of the force between any two objects. The formula for the gravitational force includes the gravitational constant, which has a value . The unit of the gravitational force is Newtons (N).

Fg = gravitational force between two objects ()

G = gravitational constant ()

m1 = mass of the first object (kg)

m2 = mass of the second object (kg)

r = distance between objects (m)

The diferrence in distance r between to top & bottom of your stairs has next to know effect because the MASS of the Earth is huge compared to you.

They say an empty vessel makes the most noise you must have an absolute vacuum between the ears.

If you think gravity is within Earth, that's the point of origin for it, too. Every real force has a point of origin, or region, or area, where it originates from, yes?

Obviously, a force is limited. And every force - that is a real, existing force - goes outward from the point of origin. And all forces - actual forces - are strongest at the point of origin, or nearer to it, or at a certain distance, along the way. Likewise, if further and further away from the point of origin, or some point outward, it will be weaker and weaker, until it dies away.

That's pretty obvious, to anyone. Or should be.

Actual forces do not have an 'ON/OFF switch'. Which is to say, actual forces diminish outward, from it's strongest point, to it's weakest point, gradually. They have a limiting point, where it stops completely.

Electromagnetic force is claimed to be a 'limitless' force. This claim has no valid evidence to prove it is 'limitless', so if it really is 'limitless', we still know that electromagnetic forces will diminish in strength, gradually. We know how a radio station loses strength in cars, which move further and further away from the stations transmission towers. The radio station is strongest near it's transmission tower - it is the point of origin.


It's claimed that gravity is one of our four 'forces of nature'. along with EM force, and weak/strong nuclear force. We cannot prove nuclear forces in any way, just like EM force cannot be proven to be 'limitless'. We certainly cannot prove gravity even exists on Earth, let alone the 'endless universe'.


Why would gravity not continue to force the moon nearer and nearer to the Earth? You must have a clue that no real force can act in two, completely contradictory ways, right? Do you realize if gravity forces all objects down to Earth, it is absurd to claim it also can HOLD OBJECTS IN PLACE above Earth?

But it doesn't hold astronauts in place, or anything at all. It can do whatever you want it to - force objects down to Earth, hold a moon in pace, far away, and let astronauts float around in between!!!


Gravity is a complete joke.

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: djz3ro
a reply to: Out6of9Balance

Two words for you, centrifugal force.
Fill a bucket with water, spin it round and see the water stay in, same principle...

You really believe this supports your argument?

Centrifugal force doesn't exist, same as gravitational force doesn't exist.

You are comparing a non-existent, imaginary force, to another non-existent, imaginary force.


What's the point in your trying to compare two imaginary forces? Sheesh..

So if the experiment I mentioned was carried out, what is stopping the water pouring put the bucket? Some force is acting on it, if Gravity and Centrifugal Force don't exist, what gives?

What gives is that you immediately assume there must be some force acting on the water, just like you immediately assume there must be some incredibly powerful force, after you have first assumed everything is held down to the Earth.

You probably won't understand how ironic it is - they admit that centrifugal force doesn't actually exist, it is an 'imaginary' force. They know it appears as if a force is acting on it, just like they know it may appear that objects are held to Earth by a force acting on those objects. But they admit to only one of those forces being imaginary, and the other one as 'real'.

The reason they contradict themselves is that gravity CANNOT BE ADMITTED AS BEING AN IMAGINARY FORCE. They absolutely know it is imaginary, just like they know centrfugal force is imaginary. Gravity only 'appears' to be a force, same as centrifugal force only 'appears' to be real. Neither force exists, they are 'fake' forces, illusory forces.

If they claimed that centrifugal force DID exist, you would believe them. But they have no need to lie about this imaginary force, it doesn't help support the greatest lie of all - that the Earth is round, and zipping through the endless universe, and so on. If they were ever to admit the truth, that gravity doesn't exist, then we'd know the Earth is NOT round, and ziping through space, either. If it were round, everything on Earth would be flying off into space, since nothing would hold us down to Earth.

They will never, ever, admit that gravity is an 'imaginary' force. If they dared to speak, they would be cast out, and mocked, and scorned, and ridiculed, as a bunch of conspiracy nuts, who don't speak for 'real' scientists.

a reply to: turbonium1

In general relativity, gravity is a fictitious force. In relativity there is no force pulling an object. In relativity all objects travel in a straight path. Inertial forces are the "fault" of choosing a non-inertial frame of reference.