Gravity.

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: turbonium1

Because they have mass, same as all things have mass. Mass and density of objects in air fall through air, nothing is 'pulling things down'...

So the earth has more mass than you or I do, you have agree, right?

so why do we fall when we jump instead of the earth falling or flying up to our feet when we jump?

If mass is all that required to fall

then a plane taking off should be impossible according to your logic, nothing can move off the earth because of mass, earths mass is greater than anything on it so nothing can leave earth not even your feet for a split second because the earth will fall or fly up to your feet or the wheels on the plane?

There's no force in play.

So how do you walk without the earth slamming into your feet?


How do you jump?

reading the rest of your you seem to go back to not realizing everything has mass.

Some insects don't fly, too. Mass is not the only factor in flight, or no flight. It is certainly a factor...but it is not the only one.

Density is another factor.

Wings allow an object to fly up, from Earth, in air.


The illusion is that everything is being 'held down' to the Earth, being 'pulled down' to Earth.

However, we know that objects can fly above Earth, without being held down, or pulled down, to Earth, which means objects are not held, or pulled down, to Earth. And we are not 'pulled down' by a force, when we fall through the air, to Earth. Or any other surface, we fall to.

There is nothing forcing us to the surface of Earth. We can stay on floors, well above the surface, and nothing pulls us down from the floor, to the Earth's surface.

originally posted by: wmd_2008
a reply to: turbonium1

You really are backward aren't you the Moon is in Motion forces are in almost perfect balance not quite as the Moon is very slowly moving away from the Earth.

Radio signals get weaker with distance why do you think Radio telescopes get larger to pick up weaker signals same with light larger aperture more light collected fainter more distant objects can be seen.

All science is linked one way or another according to your belief system we shouldn't be able to do what we are doing just now ie be on the internet.

Astronauts move about because they have appled a force to move, look at in simple terms even YOU should be able to understand a bucket of water on a rope spin at the correct speed the forces are balanced no water comes out the bucket is in an orbit the rope tension keeps the bucket in that path increase or shorten the rope and you have to change the rotational speed if the rope snaps the bucket will move in a straight line from that point.

You obviously cannot resolve all the forces that act in a situation that's why it seems wrong to you.

No, it's just a ridiculous argument.

If you claim a great force is pulling objects to the Earth's surface, then it must pull ALL objects to the Earth's surface, without any exceptions. A real force is consistent.

You have to prove there actually is a force, to begin with. It's purely a nonsense argument, and always will be.


Your argument is that a massive object has 'more gravity', than smaller objects, and a massive object will attract a smaller object towards it....

Don't know any example of that happening on Earth, once, and it never will happen, either.

So, who is the delusional one here?

a reply to: turbonium1


Here you are - explained for kids:

KIDS: How do Planes Fly?

a reply to: oldcarpy

to technical for target audience

a reply to: ignorant_ape

I'm afraid that you are probably right but one does one's best.

a reply to: turbonium1

Some insects don't fly, too. Mass is not the only factor in flight, or no flight. It is certainly a factor...but it is not the only one. Density is another factor.

Yes density is another important factor which determines an objects mass.

I take it you wont bother to address anything I posted so its really a wonder why you would expose even more ignorance by saying what you have and failing to actually reply to what I asked.

well done.

originally posted by: oldcarpy
a reply to: turbonium1


Here you are - explained for kids:

KIDS: How do Planes Fly?

Gravity 'pulls' us to Earth, even though nobody ever feels a 'pull', okay kids??!! Sure, no problem here!!

Suppose the Earth had a powerful magnet, instead of 'gravity'. And objects were all held down to Earth, because objects were all metallic, and could not escape the magnetic pull of Earth...


Every bird was metallic, as well.


When birds tried to fly above Earth, what would happen?


Would they all be able to fly, above Earth, without resistance from Earth's magnetic force, pulling them down?


They would not be able to fly above Earth freely, without any resistance, right?


How come?

a reply to: turbonium1

Well first everything isn't metallic... or magnetic...

Gravity's pull is slight on things with little mass, which is why something with wings can easily fly due to air pressure...

and apparently only flat earther don't feel gravity's pull... naturally

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

Well first everything isn't metallic... or magnetic...

Gravity's pull is slight on things with little mass, which is why something with wings can easily fly due to air pressure...

and apparently only flat earther don't feel gravity's pull... naturally

Yes, we know that the Earth doesn't have a massive magnet within it, and we aren't metallic objects, either.

But you believe there is a great, powerful force, within the Earth, which 'pulls' objects towards the Earth, and it doesn't matter what you call that 'force', it has to behave the same as ALL real forces behave.

Gravity pulls every object, whether or not metallic, towards the Earth, you believe.

Gravity is like a magnet, except that it pulls ALL objects towards it, no?

A magnet will only pull metallic objects toward it, while gravity will pull ALL objects toward it, right?


Gravity is claimed to be the 'universal' magnet, within Earth, which pulls ALL objects toward it!!


If gravity exists, within the Earth, and pulls/holds all objects to Earth, then all objects which OPPOSE gravity, which pulls all objects down to Earth, which holds all objects to Earth, must offer RESISTANCE to those very same objects, which try to oppose it.


How is it forcing/pulling down/holding all objects to Earth, without resisting opposing forces at all, then?


The fact objects are on Earth, does not automatically mean that all objects are BEING HELD to Earth, or ARE PULLED DOWN to Earth, from above it.

If you see an object on a magnet, does that automatically mean the object must be metallic, and must be held by the magnet? No. It might be held to the magnet, but it might also not be held, merely from you observing it.

We know if the object is held by the magnet, or not held, when the object is picked up from the magnet. If there is any resistance felt, when we pick the object up, we know the object is metallic, and was held by the magnet. If there is no resistance felt, we know it is NOT held by the magnet. It was simply on the magnet, not held by it.


The fact of this object being on the magnet, does not mean a force holds it there. If you see an object sitting on top of a magnet, you don't assume a force must be holding it there, yes?

Seeing objects on Earth, is the very same thing. You are automatically assuming objects are held to Earth, in seeing objects are on Earth. A force is holding objects to Earth, without any proof a force exists at all.



That's how we know any real force exists - by its resistance to another, opposing force.


Simple to understand

originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: turbonium1

Well first everything isn't metallic... or magnetic...

Gravity's pull is slight on things with little mass, which is why something with wings can easily fly due to air pressure...

and apparently only flat earther don't feel gravity's pull... naturally

Why do you support my argument, then?

If you are pulled down, why do you always say you fell down, instead?

That's my argument, so it makes sense to say we fall down.


When we are pulled down from a tree, by a rope, we say a rope pulled us down. If we fall from a tree, without a rope, we say we fell from the tree, not 'pulled down' from the tree.


We are pulled down by a rope, but we fall from a tree, otherwise. You never say you were pulled down from a tree, you say you fell from the tree. If you were pulled down by a rope, you say you were pulled down. Get it yet?

Is there any other case where we say what is not happening, not felt? A push is felt, we say we are pushed. A pull is felt, we say we are pulled. A fall is felt, and we say we fell. A spin is felt, we say so. Any action is correctly stated, other than one magical 'pull', from 'gravity', which we never feel, and never say.


You go with that fairy tale, if you want.


The reality is much better, however.

a reply to: turbonium1

Why do you support my argument, then?

If you are pulled down, why do you always say you fell down, instead?

That's my argument, so it makes sense to say we fall down.

You don't have an argument...

When we are pulled down from a tree, by a rope, we say a rope pulled us down. If we fall from a tree, without a rope, we say we fell from the tree, not 'pulled down' from the tree.


We are pulled down by a rope, but we fall from a tree, otherwise. You never say you were pulled down from a tree, you say you fell from the tree. If you were pulled down by a rope, you say you were pulled down. Get it yet?

Notice the one word you keep using?

Is there any other case where we say what is not happening, not felt? A push is felt, we say we are pushed. A pull is felt, we say we are pulled. A fall is felt, and we say we fell. A spin is felt, we say so. Any action is correctly stated, other than one magical 'pull', from 'gravity', which we never feel, and never say.


You go with that fairy tale, if you want.


The reality is much better, however.

that's "We" as in... flat earth people... right?

As opposed to the 'vanishing ships' people, who believe what others claim, even when it's not true.

I like gravy on fries...

Uh wait? Thought its about gravy

originally posted by: turbonium1
As opposed to the 'vanishing ships' people, who believe what others claim, even when it's not true.

shall we see your proof?

originally posted by: turbonium1

originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: turbonium1

Because they have mass, same as all things have mass. Mass and density of objects in air fall through air, nothing is 'pulling things down'...

So the earth has more mass than you or I do, you have agree, right?

so why do we fall when we jump instead of the earth falling or flying up to our feet when we jump?

If mass is all that required to fall

then a plane taking off should be impossible according to your logic, nothing can move off the earth because of mass, earths mass is greater than anything on it so nothing can leave earth not even your feet for a split second because the earth will fall or fly up to your feet or the wheels on the plane?

There's no force in play.

So how do you walk without the earth slamming into your feet?


How do you jump?

reading the rest of your you seem to go back to not realizing everything has mass.

Some insects don't fly, too. Mass is not the only factor in flight, or no flight. It is certainly a factor...but it is not the only one.

Density is another factor.

Wings allow an object to fly up, from Earth, in air.


The illusion is that everything is being 'held down' to the Earth, being 'pulled down' to Earth.

However, we know that objects can fly above Earth, without being held down, or pulled down, to Earth, which means objects are not held, or pulled down, to Earth. And we are not 'pulled down' by a force, when we fall through the air, to Earth. Or any other surface, we fall to.

There is nothing forcing us to the surface of Earth. We can stay on floors, well above the surface, and nothing pulls us down from the floor, to the Earth's surface.

I had to reply to this once more.

It seems you cant read or cannot follow a conversation and confuse things intentionally or mistakenly.

I am leaning towards intentional.



NO where was I talking about flying.

Your reply speaks volumes.

Gravy is a powerful force that pulls french fries towards it.


It's better than arguing that gravity pulls everything to Earth, that's for sure!

a reply to: turbonium1

That was from the heroine.

a reply to: i77oomiknotti

all 4 her