Bob Lazar : Area 51 & Flying Saucers... The whole story.

a reply to: Outlier13

if anyone uses the word magic because they can't explain something speaks to their lack of knowledge, especially considering that he claims to be knowledgeable enough to be picked from the pool of possible scientists who made field theory and fluid mechanics their entire life.

Saying that because someone can keep their story straight for a good amount of time means they are telling the truth because.... reasons???....

I don't need to be a nuclear physicist to be able to read the published/peer reviewed papers, heck you can just look at wiki and the attached footnotes. As long as you can read and have a good grasp of science you don't need a Ph.d because the people with them already did the hard work and published and were peer reviewed. AKA reading comprehension is how i know with out being a scientist.

Bob himself said he had a job repairing and calibration various radiation detectors, so he was there and working in a program that dealt with nuclear 'stuff' so that is why people remember him working there and the reason he is in the directory.

Just because he can pass a lie detector test means he is past deliberate lies and moved into the pathological area, so to him he is telling the truth because he has told his story so many times he probably be;lives it or at the very least his body would react like it was the truth becasue its so rehearsed. The machine they use detects stress of the question asked and measuring the response(breathing, heart rate, perspiration etc.), so if you are practiced and a pathological liar the test wont work right.


he lied about his schooling and he lied about the reason the FBI paid his store a visit. He cant produce ONE picture of him there with his friends, he cant produce one paper or other assignment he worked on with other people and the teacher he said he remembered wasn't a teacher there. The FBI showed up because he was selling stuff that in various states were prohibited as well as selling radioisotopes without proper licensing. He 100% did not steal anything radioactive from a military base, they have all sorts of detectors on boxes that house radioactive stuff.

If you look at the elements around 115 they are all very radioactive(that's why they have short half lives), so the amount of shielding he would need to protect himself let alone shield it from a detector would be obvious and impossible to sneak out.


everyone i know that goes to college has pictures or friends/acquaintances they could call and in one conversation prove you went to that school. Why cant bob? where are the year books or even a graduation handout with his name on it? he probably audited some classes and that's why this ONE person remembers him, i could think of at least 10 people off the top of my head who i could get intouch with who i don't even talk to couled prove where i went to school.

He is the on making these claims not me, so the ball is in his court to prove what he is saying is the truth.

i dont doubt Bob saw SOMETHING amazing but i dont think that it was ET.

a reply to: penroc3

You completely avoided the point I am making exposing your hypocrisy. You expect people to believe your unprovable claims while expecting people to disbelieve Bob Lazar because his claims are unprovable.

Like I said earlier. I don't care if you disbelieve Lazar...just don't use the same fallacy in trying to disprove Lazar as you claim Lazar uses. I'm tired of hypocrites.

One last thing. When you say "I (you) don't doubt Bob saw SOMETHING amazing but I (you) don't think that it was ET" do you have any idea how blindly ignorant that statement is? And before you hyperventilate and accuse me of name calling let's revisit the definition of ignorant which is lacking knowledge.

Why even make such an erroneous, ignorant, and contradicting statement. On the one hand you do believe Bob Lazar. You just choose to not believe it's what he says he saw so based upon your complete ignorance you're going to assume it was something other than what he claimed.

I mean come on mate. And you want to be taken seriously?

originally posted by: moebius
a reply to: Outlier13

Lazar took 4 lie detector tests and passed them all.

There is no such thing as a "lie detector".

Maybe you should familiarize yourself with what a synonym is.

a reply to: Outlier13

How am i a hypocrite ? i answered your questions and gave my reasons behind them.

you asked me to prove one thing bob lied about i gave you 3.

i have stated from the start of this thread i believe he saw something man made, OSI and other agencies practice disinformation ALL the time.

Ill go back to Paul Benowitz, look how far the AFOSI went with him in making him think he was seeing ET stuff rather then some cool communication and drone stuff. They drove Paul right over the edge of sanity.

So to me the idea of OSI taking advantage of a person they know they can use for their campaign to keep the real secrets, a secret isnt far fetched AT ALL.

AFOSI knew Bob was buddy buddy with John Lear and Gene Huff and would spill the beans to them and in turn either Bob or his buddies would spill the beans to the world(the way AFOSI wanted) and they were right to a certain extent.


the old axium is applicable here: Occam's razor

what is more probable?

that the US government is using every single resource it has(including murder) to keep the existence of ET and their craft a secret but they brought in a nobody with no formal training with links to knows loud mouths and showed him the crown jewels

OR

that they used Bob and his cohorts for the AF's own ends?


ill ask you again, what about what he saw makes it 100% E.T?

The US flys what people call Black Triangles(small F-16 sized) that have all the standard 'UFO' abilities and i have seen one with my own eyes so to me its kind of silly to think just because people cant explain something right away means that its ET.

a reply to: penroc3

You've proved nothing. You have provided only an opinion and nothing more.

When the FBI raided Bob Lazar's business the day after he and Jeremy discussed element 115 in his back yard was Lazar lying about that as well?

You think Bob fabricated the reason the FBI raided his business? Again, you make unsubstantiated claims and expect people to believe your unsubstantiated claims while disbelieving Lazar's unsubstantiated claims.

That's called hypocrisy. You just don't want to admit it.

Carry on mate.

a reply to: Outlier13

The FBI doesnt go after stolen high level nuclear materials, they have NEST teams as well as other DOE groups that exist for that very senario. FBI agents aren't usually trained in such activities, but let's say some where why weren't any of them wearing protective gear? The FBI themselves said what they were doing, Bob didn't follow the rules and the FBI took notice.

if they really had ANY thoughts he had highly radioactive materials on site they would have closed down the whole area until they found it and would have held all the employees and bob until they were satisfied it didnt exist or he turned it over.

there is ZERO proof other than a story that the FBI was after stolen nuclear materials.

and you keep avoiding my questions and points.

Here is a youtube of Corbell and Stanton Friedman discussing their differences in the topic of Lazar.

I hadnt seen it posted here

Pretty illuminating to me.

m.youtube.com...

originally posted by: Paddyofurniture
Here is a youtube of Corbell and Stanton Friedman discussing their differences in the topic of Lazar.

I hadnt seen it posted here

Pretty illuminating to me.

m.youtube.com...

Did you catch Lazar and Corbell on Larry King?

originally posted by: Paddyofurniture
Here is a youtube of Corbell and Stanton Friedman discussing their differences in the topic of Lazar.

I hadnt seen it posted here

Pretty illuminating to me.

m.youtube.com...

Defintely illuminating; shows how much petulance and arrogance Corbell has.

Check the comments - he is not liked; even putting some off watching the doc. Good job JC, good job.

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

Not yet.

Ill take a look thanks.


Ya the Corbell stuff is disappointing. I liked some of his earlier stuff but that youtube with Friedman made my stomach hurt.

a reply to: SpringerThe whole Bob Lazar story is just BS ,disinformation ,crap ,their is no ''Reverse engineered'' Alien spacecraft ,the whole things a lie to keep the gullible public entertained ,if he was telling the truth about anything !, he did, or knew about Area 51, he would have been whacked years ago. After the War the PTB created the whole Alien ,Martian etc carry on ,Movies ,magazines ,lying witnesses to Alien contacts etc ,to keep people away from the truth, that someone else [Humans ]had superior technology to them, and there was nothing they could do about it ,until they caught up .But they are still peddling the Alien crap .

a reply to: penroc3

You know absolutely nothing about element 115 or how an FBI raid functions other than what you can glean from the Internet no more than I do. A vetted physicist has gone on public record stating he knew Lazar to be a working physicist at Los Alamos. The same physicist stated Lazar's highly detailed explanations into how the anti gravity propulsion system operated were plausible and did not find his (Lazar's) explanations to be fictitious.

You can continue to play arm chair quarterback and pretend you understand the exotic math behind the physics of anti-gravity propulsion but the reality is you do not no more than I do. The difference between you and I is I admit my knowledge is limited simply to what is publicly available to me.

You do not write in a capacity which leads me to believe you have access to inside information or that you may know more than what the common Internet researcher is privy to. Therefore your arguments are purely an uneducated opinion. Since you offer nothing other than an opinion you cannot refute the statements of the Lazar story. It's IMPOSSIBLE for you to disprove Lazar's story. This is what you do not understand. Unless you can present some verifiable evidence that directly refutes Lazar's story then you cannot make absolute statements like (and I'm paraphrasing here) "I believe Lazar saw something amazing but not ET". That's the biggest contradicting statement you've made yet and you do not even realize it. You literally wrote you believed and disbelieved Lazar in the same sentence.

I've repeatedly pointed out the hypocrisy in your (and other's) arguments and will continue to do so.

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: Outlier13

The FBI doesnt go after stolen high level nuclear materials, they have NEST teams as well as other DOE groups that exist for that very senario. FBI agents aren't usually trained in such activities, but let's say some where why weren't any of them wearing protective gear? The FBI themselves said what they were doing, Bob didn't follow the rules and the FBI took notice.

if they really had ANY thoughts he had highly radioactive materials on site they would have closed down the whole area until they found it and would have held all the employees and bob until they were satisfied it didnt exist or he turned it over.

there is ZERO proof other than a story that the FBI was after stolen nuclear materials.

and you keep avoiding my questions and points.

How do we know the raid actually took place?

BTW Bob said there were multiple agencies involved. So perhaps the DoE were there...

a reply to: Outlier13

I know what the people who made it does. I have read their papers and others on it, i don't need to be in the facility pushing the button on the accelerator to understand the properties outlined in the papers published on it. there is this thing called the periodic table of elements, the way it is made lets anyone made very educated guess of the elements in there parent group.

If these gravity based propulsion systems work the way Bob thinks it does then the inferomiters all over the place would show the ripple in the fabric of space-time. they are so sensitive we were able to detect and record two black holes merging, so if these craft create an extremely potent gravic distortion we would pick them up. and no one running those projects has seen that.

what inside information did i claim to have? none.

how is me saying i think he saw a secret US project a contradiction in anything i said? I already stated i think they used Bob in a very sophisticated dis-information program.

i never said i didn't think he saw something. That's the whole point, they needed to show him something seemingly so impressive it could be mistaken for something ET.


Bob was hired(allegedly) as a physicists/tech, why would they show him medical records and a whole story about where it/they came from? what use would an autopsy fill for such a job? he had zero reason to know medical stuff. that's not how highly compartmentalized programs work.

as far as me being qualified, i have more education in the sciences thn Bob does and i can prove it, he is self taught and that is great but for you to ASSUME i lack scientific knowledge and schooling is just silly. but that is besides the point here, i don't need a doctorates degree to be able to read the published works on 115.



MrRussell: I figured the raid happened as it was so hyped up. its possible there were other players there but i would think Bob & Co. would have hyped the crap out of it. After all a secret service(office of secure transport for instance) or DoE team would be great optics for their story

Hi

I've been a member here for a while and there has always been some questions I've had regarding the whole Bob Lazar story, I've read and read and read but I've never really put my questions forward. But these are things that I wanted to know, which, I cannot currently find any answers to.... your answers or opinions or theory's are welcome... Aware I haven't posted in a while, and apologies if answers or discussions to these questions below exist, I have not found or come across them, but please point me to those directions rather than waste time and space on this thread giving abuse :-)



Has Bob ever discussed what he felt the life support system was on the ships. I'm aware he says each part of the ship was compartmentalised and he only had accessed to certain parts, and not the top level where he has stated he believes to be the navigational room or communications room.... I'm also aware of the theory that these crafts were potentially piloted by bots, but I've never heard Bob discuss that, nor have I heard him suggest what he believes the live support system be, was the ship pumped with oxygen/nitrogen/any other form of way of keeping the beings alive? (if they were beings and not bots)

He states he saw 9 crafts. I believe he has stated that all were in similar condition. And he has stated that he believes that these were found in archaeological digs, not gifted to the US nor were they recovered from crashes... However, I find it hard to believe (aware Bob has only speculated that he feels this is how they were obtained) that 9 crafts would of been found from archaeological digs and no-one else ever mention this or that there is no mention of any other country possibly locating crafts this way. Also interesting that he doesn't feel these crafts were from crash recoveries... Where else could they of obtained all 9 craft?

Some people have stated that Bob passes lie detector tests AND seems convincing when telling his story as it could be that he IS telling the truth, BUT that what he saw was man-made. And they told him the story that it is Alien as they knew he would leak the info and used him for dis-information or mis-direction etc etc. BUT. that would mean that the things he talks about, S4, the 9 crafts, the hovering silently, were things he ACTUALLY witnessed. If these were man-made, in 1989, 30 years ago, why is this technology still under-wraps if it were man-made. We've seen a lot of secret tech come out of Area 51 SINCE 1989 but nothing like this yet on any military vehicle, have we?

We see so many different shapes/sizes of UFO's, i.e. Tic Tac and Triangles.. so how is it that 9 craft held in S4 were all identical flying saucers? And if these were found on digs, is the thoughts there that only the flying saucer 'sports-model' crafts were left here on Earth to be discovered?

Is there any mention that since 1989 when S4 was working on the 9 crafts that S4 is still in operation, the 9 crafts are still there, do they have any more crafts or still just the 9, and do those aliens know we have their craft?

Does anyone have any insight or identification of the guys George Knapp interviewed who worked at Area 51 and vetted Bob to confirm that they believe he was working at Area 51 and S4?

Has Stephen Hawking ever shared commentary or thoughts on Bob Lazar, his claims and his explanation of physics?

The Papoose lakes videos, with Bob, John Lear and Gene Huff, where they film the light moving in the sky, are these CONFIRMED to be located over papoose lake (which is the supposed lake closest to S4) or was this over Groom Lake, so closer to Area 51? I cannot tell from the videos so has the actual location been confirmed? I also read someone state that they were tests for something like pulse lasers etc and what they were filming was the side-effect of those tests, but the lights move at different angles/speeds and different directions. Would these kinds of pulse laser tests produce that kind of movement?

(If it WAS over Papoose lake, and no-one knew of Area 51 or S4 before Bob, that does prove to me that Bob had knowledge of SOMETHING!)

Is there anyway Bob could of known about the bone scanner if he had not actually been at the base?

Has anyone ever identified or questioned 'Dennis', Bob's supervisor at S4?

I've read that during the New Mexico raid on United Nuclear they were looking for a clamshell container that contained Element 115, but has anyone ever heard of this clamshell container? Is it discussed anywhere by Bob?

And just what does everyone think that Bob spoke to Jeremy Corbell about in the woods in the movie when it fast-forwarded, that Bob has element 115 and it is in this clamshell container... which is what prompted the agencies to raid United Nuclear? I also find it hard to believe that Bob would be so stupid as to hide any stolen element 115 at his place of work!? Especially if that kind of work, selling those kind of materials, would make the premises prone to being raided by various agencies...?

What involvement with Bob does Richard Doty have? I heard on a podcast somewhere with Jeremy Corbell where Corbell, in a quick statement, states that Richard Doty was present during the first raid by the feds at united nuclear.. but I've never seen/heard/read anything more than Corbell's passing comment. Was this all a part of the Mirage Men conspiracy?

And the most baffling of all, is the involvement of the Russians! I read on here that someone believes the US were trying to find the Russian sleeper spies and made this story up, through Bob Lazar, so that they would travel the Las Vegas and close to Area 51 where the US could expose them... and that Bob Lazar was almost used as bait... And up until recently, I often wondered what the Russians would of been doing once this story leaked... did none of them try to contact Lazar to question him or speak to him regarding what he saw and what information he had, I also then once felt like it was the Russians who tried to kill Bob when he was shot at as either a) revenge because he would not talk to them or b) because then if they were successful in killing him, it would look like the US had killed Bob and therefore his claims would look more credible and that the US would then have to disclose information, and the Russians could obtain it that way... however... on a recent youtube vodcast, Bob stated that as he worked in 2's on the craft, there was a Russian team... and that they apparently discovered something, but WITH-HELD what they had found from the American's... Could this even be possible, would they even be ALLOWED to with-hold information, is there any other mention of Russian's working on back-engineering these crafts? Surely if they with-held something they would be denied access to the crafts thereafter? Just what exactly was the Russian's involvement on this?

Thanks for reading my questions and thoughts. These have been on my mind for years so apologies there is so much to read here. I welcome any comments/thoughts/discussions/links to anything that answers any of the above. I do not welcome any insults or comments about me not posting for years, being a lurker, asking stupid questions etc as it doesn't add to the conversation or discussion surrounding Bob... which is all I'm trying to do, build more narrative around this subject!

Thankyou for your time

a reply to: steve_ringuk

Are you sure about that Podcast? Do you have a name or date for it? That’s big if correct.

a reply to: ctj83

The Podcast where Jeremy talks about Richard Doty? Yeh let me find it, I'm pretty certain the link to it is on this thread and was a mysterious universe podcast, but let me find it

a reply to: ctj83

OK its on the Black Vault Radio Episode 17 Podcast. Jeremy talks about that raid and Richard Doty being present at the 39.07 minute marker, but he begins talking about it at around 38 minutes. Interesting episode:

theblackvault.com/community/forum/black-vault-radio-with-john-greenewald-jr/the-black-vault-radio-with-john-greenewald-jr-episode-17-special-guest-jer emy-corbell/

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If you meant the Vodcast where Bob talks about how Russians were involved with looking over the craft (which I feel is WEIRD he would talk about that as he stated those who unlock the technology would rule the world, that then the US would ALLOW the Russian's to be working on it). He discusses this around the 55minute mark

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a reply to: steve_ringuk

Thankyou so much!

The Russia narrative is odd. Very odd. Strangely fits in with UFO Coverup Live. I don’t consider it a positive.

a reply to: ctj83

I find it puzzling that quite a few people who claim to have witnessed exotic craft and things tell this detail of international cooperation.

Russians, Chinese, Europeans and Americans. One great family of human brothers and sisters working together behind the scenes, while fighting tooth and nail in public. Only the Africans seem a bit left out.

I find this detail strange, as it doesn't exactly add any credibility to a tall tale. Why invent such a thung?