Bob Lazar : Area 51 & Flying Saucers... The whole story.

originally posted by: Baldric
a reply to: JohnnyJetson

He never actually said he had taken element 115 but their has been a couple of times it's been mentioned he came away with something but never actually mentioned what it was.

I'll try find where it was.

No,he NEVER DID BUT you did and "arbitrarily decided it was E115" and then you even 'ran with the ball'.. making All sorts of speculation and assumptions about BL without ANY proof and you said this!:

IfBob did indeed take some element 115 and has been working with it at he's United Nuclear, what if any new patents has he brought forward if any after 30 years Or any prototype due to he's knowledge from working at S4 from back engineering.

IF ... suddenly becomes "why didn't he" "DUE TO he's" knowledge from back engineering? Where's YOUR "proof"?

"IF" my mother had balls she'd be my uncle"

You didn't even know that Moscovium "lasts" for like "RBG seen at the gym days after surgery"

That's how the Fake News talk, in circles without Any Facts OR Truth to support their BS! Just like you've done here.

Damn!

You're far too 'clever' for me Baldric ... here, have a medal for coming in Last place. It says "winner" on it, so I gues you must be than!

a reply to: JohnnyJetson

LOL, i found your post quite amusing to questions i posed, i didnt pose facts.

If you have watched the new documentary Corbell asked the question at 1:20:45 mark to BL directly "everybody knows the story is you got some E115 out of los alamos thats public knowledge something you said a while back" watch BL's reaction to this question.

The follow up question to this was:
Are they trying to shake you down to find the 115 that you said 30 years ago you got out the lab people are going to ask that.

Maybe you should do alittle research, as this is stated as public knowledge. It quite obvious in your post you have done no research at all.

Obviously if E115 was used to power an alien craft they had found a way to stabilize it, E115 could be possible to stabilize we just havent found the way yet. Again this is public knowledge that a number of scientists have said its possible.

Quoted from American Physics Central:

Now we turn to the newest candidate for induction to the periodic table: element 115. Element 115 pervades science fiction, video games, and some conspiracy theories3 because scientists theorize that some isotopes of this element may exist on the Island of Stability.

The Island of Stability follows from theoretical predictions that some heavy elements with a total number of nucleons around 300 may hang around for a while before radioactively decaying into other types of nuclei, unlike most other elements with nucleons totaling slightly under 300. What does “a while” mean? Minutes to millions of years.4

Experiments conducted by a Swedish research team published in 2013,1 along with those reported in 2004 by Russian scientists,2 show that element 115 was created, with a total of 287, 288, and 289 nucleons, and it has a half-life between 140 and 190 milliseconds.5 The half-life is the amount of time for half of the material to decay into another element. Element 115 is a stone’s throw from the coast of the Island of Stability

a reply to: Baldric

bro, I'd heard/read about Bob Lazar before you were in grade school and he made a "jet car"

glad I made you laugh

originally posted by: JohnnyJetson
a reply to: Baldric

bro, I'd heard/read about Bob Lazar before you were in grade school and he made a "jet car"

glad I made you laugh

Then you should know he did admit to having 115.

a reply to: InspectaBecky

Then you should know he did admit to having 115.

But you just said did not ... and I can't recall him saying so, I do remeber him saying he was able to get a few things out" of S4 but I cn't recall what or if he even said, but it was definitely not E 115/moscovium!

why do you keep moving the goalposts so you can then deflect your replies with "logical fallacies"?


Are you only trying to win something OR are you intentionally trying to spread mis/dis-information aka BS?

Stanton is right - Bob's educational credentials should be verified so that if he did indeed back engineer alien craft then I would be satisfied that that part of the story is plausible.

Also if Bob is a top notch physicist then why isn't he working on a project to corroborate his story/experience? Rather he opens up a scientific instruments store with tongue in cheek memes.



However, I for one want proof to be found so I can get off the fence.

originally posted by: JohnnyJetson
a reply to: InspectaBecky

Then you should know he did admit to having 115.

But you just said did not ... and I can't recall him saying so, I do remeber him saying he was able to get a few things out" of S4 but I cn't recall what or if he even said, but it was definitely not E 115/moscovium!

why do you keep moving the goalposts so you can then deflect your replies with "logical fallacies"?


Are you only trying to win something OR are you intentionally trying to spread mis/dis-information aka BS?

I thought it was pretty common knowledge Bob got hold of element 115?

Go to the 4 minute mark in this interview. He states he obtained element 115 and did some testing on it.

Bob Lazar Interview

a reply to: alphabetcoup

He says ,, and I paraphrase; "I obtained it" .. mumble mumbly Anyway, it's in private possession, But not his" ... "like" video tape or E115?



and Q: "John (lear?) said you stole it back?" and Lazar's reply IS " there are several levels to that ... "

Go to the 9:36minute mark and listen to the question he's asked about E115 and how "it can't be made here on earth"


TBH it sounds like BS

shame I kinda believe him for reasons other than E115 etc

originally posted by: JohnnyJetson
a reply to: alphabetcoup

He says ,, and I paraphrase; "I obtained it" .. mumble mumbly Anyway, it's in private possession, But not his" ... "like" video tape or E115?



and Q: "John (lear?) said you stole it back?" and Lazar's reply IS " there are several levels to that ... "

Go to the 9:36minute mark and listen to the question he's asked about E115 and how "it can't be made here on earth"


TBH it sounds like BS

shame I kinda believe him for reasons other than E115 etc

I’m not denying it’s BS at all, was just making the point that it’s part of the story that he supposedly obtained 115 (and if not from S-4, then where).

I’ve listened to all of Bob’s interviews numerous times and he is very consistent. There are a few red flags here and there though. When I can muster the motivation I might revisit and see if I can highlight the stuff I thought was suspect.

His education/university stuff is certainly a little fishy. I reasoned that perhaps he had lied about it in previous job interviews (perhaps prior to S-4) and didn’t want to show himself up. Perhaps he thought he had to continue the lie for the sake of his credibility (ironically), and for his future job prospects. Just my take.

He also looks like exactly like the drummer from Toto. Has this already been mentioned?

originally posted by: JohnnyJetson
a reply to: InspectaBecky

Then you should know he did admit to having 115.

But you just said did not ... and I can't recall him saying so, I do remeber him saying he was able to get a few things out" of S4 but I cn't recall what or if he even said, but it was definitely not E 115/moscovium!

why do you keep moving the goalposts so you can then deflect your replies with "logical fallacies"?


Are you only trying to win something OR are you intentionally trying to spread mis/dis-information aka BS?

Are you conflating me with another poster? All of your responses to me have been insults born out of a lack of reading comprehension. No need to take this research so personally, imo.

a reply to: Springer

I beleive I just saw the movie. I just got streaming media and wow is there a lot of UFO/ALIEN info out there. one topic Bob talked about was the UFO propulsion system. They had it on a table and Bob's bos told him to touch it he said when his hand got close it was being repelled like the same polarity of 2 magnets. Later on he said he was glad to be out of working on UFOs then he mentioned if you took a nuclear reactor back to the 15th century they would want to take it apart to see what makes it run. they would die from radiation poisoning and send in more people and they would die and not know why. I think he was referencing working on Alien technology we do not understand. Then again he was supposed to have gone to Cal State and other Universities. They can not find any transcripts....didn't Bob receive a diploma? i do not know what to think

a reply to: alphabetcoup

115 does not exist out side of a few fractions of seconds to MAYBE 2 seconds in a particle excelorator. PERIOD.


cant change physics and you cant change the way an atom works just because its part of a cool story.


115 would be SUPER SUPER SUPER radioactive if SOMEHOW you got your hand on a chunk of it(like if you could stop time) that it would kill you dead on the spot in a minute or two.

that's just how superheavey elements work. They are UBER unstable and VERRY radioactive

Not to mention for 30+ years, Lazar continues to make fools of believers in this case by refusing to release any evidence of 115. He showed his buddies, he made a video, George Knapp is directly involved claiming he saw 115 in action and has the video.... somewhere. He also claims he knows where it's buried. Lazar is obviously not shy of showing off this evidence, but only teases the public that he has it? Reeks of a lie.

We're to believe the government was after Lazar and now Knapp has the video and knows where it's buried and the government hasn't gone after him now? How much more BS is Lazar going to be allowed to get away with?

Use some common sense and logic here. Hold Lazar and Knapp accountable for their claims. At least do that with Knapp who is a supposed journalist and a searcher for the truth.

All that's been shown is that this is a BS story, but Lazar fanboys will continue to argue in favor of him.

a reply to: Ectoplasm8

at area 51 they make you wear a special change of clothing they provide at the site.

TRUST ME when I saw that not even an ATOM or 4 could get past the DOE's nuclear scanners at these sites

there is zerrrrrrro way other than freaking magic to get any high level radioactive source out of ANY US site...like shoot on site type stuff.

someone I know who worked at a place like that told me they locked down 5 HUGE buildings due to a few MILIGRAMS of metal.....and they found them in the fold of the glove in a glovebox.


so to get any sort of visible size of super radioactive source out he wouldn't even make it to the gates, they would tell him to stop 2 times warning shot, then dead.

there are drones that monitor these sites and would know the SECOND that kind of emitter was out of a shielded area or outside especially and there would be men there so fast and all sorts of neat toys might make and appearance

originally posted by: penroc3
a reply to: Ectoplasm8

at area 51 they make you wear a special change of clothing they provide at the site.

TRUST ME when I saw that not even an ATOM or 4 could get past the DOE's nuclear scanners at these sites

there is zerrrrrrro way other than freaking magic to get any high level radioactive source out of ANY US site...like shoot on site type stuff.

someone I know who worked at a place like that told me they locked down 5 HUGE buildings due to a few MILIGRAMS of metal.....and they found them in the fold of the glove in a glovebox.


so to get any sort of visible size of super radioactive source out he wouldn't even make it to the gates, they would tell him to stop 2 times warning shot, then dead.

there are drones that monitor these sites and would know the SECOND that kind of emitter was out of a shielded area or outside especially and there would be men there so fast and all sorts of neat toys might make and appearance

I think Bob supposedly smuggled some from Los Alamos where he took trips to get them to synthesise or at least machine it into a conical shape... He then kept some before returning back to S4 with the batch they had machined at Los Alamos... He certainly didnt smuggle it out of S4 via A51 i seem to recall

a reply to: steve_ringuk

Yeah maybe but no matter where you are on the NTT in high security areas you have to wear these special clothing.

so how did he smuggle it out with out killing him self or setting off the detectors that even run down the public highway?

He would have burned himself really really bad if he were to touch 115, its radiation and decay heat would make it glow red hot if not white hot.

ANY size you could 'smuggle' would set off alarms before you even got CLOSE to the exits.

a reply to: penroc3

Did they really have all those sensors and technology that far back? Is not that todays level? We only had very crude computers in the early 90"s.

a reply to: myss427

yes, some sight they had them during the 50's


radiation that a handlable size of 115 would peg ANY detector at ANY DOE or such places 10's of yards before you came up to any scanner


i cant understate how radioactive 115 is, and there is ZERO ways to even take a screw out f some of these places I'm not sure how you would transport a white hot super radioactive element on your person and not be noticed. You would need such shielding that dropping it in a thermos or something made out of solid lead and even that would be a death sentence.


115 is not a fuel source for ANYTHING, it MIGHT be in some ashes of supernova but would decay so fast we wouldn't see it.

I hate to the person who tells people that Santa isn't real, but IMHO if you believe Bob Lazar in 2021 you haven't looked at all of the available information on him.

The only things that made his story seem credible were the "gotchas" like Element 115, or the hand scanner, etc....but in modern times it's VERY easy to find out where Bob got the ideas for his various claims.

He created a story that combines a lot of UFO lore from that time in to a single narrative, and it's admittedly very clever. But it's a crock and Lazar is a liar, like...I'm sorry. I understand that we all want his story to be true, and that his narrative is far more interesting than "BL is a con man who lies for personal game." The truth is the truth though, and it can't always match what we personally hope for.

- Element 115 was discussed in a Scientific American magazine a few months before Bob first went on TV, and SA is a magazine we know Bob would likely have been reading.

- The hand scanner was called the Identimat 2000 and was advertised heavily in computer trade magazines as early as 1971. It also was used in Close Encounters of the Third Kind. In no way was it something that the public wouldn't or couldn't know about, even though it was used at a few classified sites

- His education is clearly a fraud, and if you believe he went to MIT or CalTech I have a bridge to sell you, this isn't even up for debate. Even George Knapp, his greatest supporter, has said that he doesn't believe Bob attended either school (although this video is now hard to find, the link I had was taken down recently)

- The FBI raided his business because he sold a chemical called Thallium to somebody who then used it to murder their wife (I think it was their wife at least)...they traced it back to UN and ended up raiding him over his stupidly lax sales of dangerous materials. It had nothing to do with Element 115, and I assure you - he doesn't have a stash of it hidden somewhere.

Sure, Lazar has been telling the same story for 30 years. That doesn't mean it's true or not true. It's mighty suspicious that none of his claims have seemed more likely after the passage of time.

It sucks, and I get how bad it feels to realize that you feel for a con man's story hook line and sinker (as I did as well for a while), but it is what it is.

He made it up, plain and simple. Lazar sets the whole topic back a good amount, because most people who are just getting in to the topic hear his story and believe it to be true.

I've done a ton of research on him and haven't found anything that makes him seem more credible. If somebody here thinks they have something that does, share it.

We may never know for sure why BL told this story and/or why he keeps pushing it 30 years later, but my personal belief is that he had some sort of financial incentive and got in over his head. At this point Bob might even believe his own yarn, who knows. It's a complete fabrication though, and I'm surprised so many people believe him despite a dumpster truck of evidence.

IMO Bob Lazar is using allegory for technology and project(s)he was involved in.

Why?
Maybe partly because he took his buddies out in the nevada desert and showed them tests and got caught. Why did the government let him off?
Prehaps the narrative he is spreading serves them well to muddy the waters according to to the narrative they want out there.