Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia Framed

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: one4all

As I said, it's just rehashed old religion posing as something new

I don't need to ask, seen it all before, heard it a million times

You are just a gullible wannabe hoping that you will be more important tha you already are

You do need to ask if you wish to claim that you have heard it all before.You must use you FREE WILL and ask which really mean ENDORSE as real....lol...and you KNOW IT...and do not wish to do it...lol....lol..come on now....enter freely and of your own free will.

a reply to: one4all

Do you have a learning disabilities?
I am not interested in your old religion repackaged as a new religion

I am not asking because I am not interested, I am not searching and I don't care for your psychobabble

I have Jesus, I don't need religion and that's all you can offer

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: one4all

Do you have a learning disabilities?
I am not interested in your old religion repackaged as a new religion

I am not asking because I am not interested, I am not searching and I don't care for your psychobabble

I have Jesus, I don't need religion and that's all you can offer

I offer no religion....and I understand your fear...I have learning abilities you clearly lack....tis ok Lobsang….to each their own and all paths must join before they end.

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: one4all

Do you have a learning disabilities?
I am not interested in your old religion repackaged as a new religion

I am not asking because I am not interested, I am not searching and I don't care for your psychobabble

I have Jesus, I don't need religion and that's all you can offer

I offer no religion....and I understand your fear...I have learning abilities you clearly lack....tis ok Lobsang….to each their own and all paths must join before they end.

Fear , it's contempt, your Buddhist esoteric nonsense, old religions disguised as new religions

Have you ever noticed those countries your new/old religion is in, are third world and corrupt. People leave them because they are so bad

Common sense is an oxymoron, you don't have any

My path will never join yours and I will call out your lies as I call out JW.org lies
You are all the same corrupt religion

originally posted by: Raggedyman

originally posted by: one4all

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: one4all

Do you have a learning disabilities?
I am not interested in your old religion repackaged as a new religion

I am not asking because I am not interested, I am not searching and I don't care for your psychobabble

I have Jesus, I don't need religion and that's all you can offer

I offer no religion....and I understand your fear...I have learning abilities you clearly lack....tis ok Lobsang….to each their own and all paths must join before they end.

Fear , it's contempt, your Buddhist esoteric nonsense, old religions disguised as new religions

Have you ever noticed those countries your new/old religion is in, are third world and corrupt. People leave them because they are so bad

Common sense is an oxymoron, you don't have any

My path will never join yours and I will call out your lies as I call out JW.org lies
You are all the same corrupt religion

I have not claimed to support a religion...please call out one of my lies.


The Mother of the Child that spawned all religons was not corrupt She was pure as was her only Child.

a reply to: one4all

Your self righteous, "I have the key to all knowledge, if you would only listen to me" Is sickening. If you want followers, I doubt that you will find them here. People have access to all the information they need. All you are doing is trying to impose your interpretation of the knowledge you have accumulated.

And yes your posts are stockerish in fact it was like watching raggedy trying to wipe off a sticky bugger.

originally posted by: misskat1
a reply to: one4all

Your self righteous, "I have the key to all knowledge, if you would only listen to me" Is sickening. If you want followers, I doubt that you will find them here. People have access to all the information they need. All you are doing is trying to impose your interpretation of the knowledge you have accumulated.

And yes your posts are stockerish in fact it was like watching raggedy trying to wipe off a sticky bugger.

I am sharing and you are oppositionally defiant...both of us chose our paths.....I do not have the key to all knowledge.....it is all around us woven into the very fabric of our collective reality....and IF YOU WISH IT TO BE SO I can show it to you if you choose to heed my directions.I impose nothing....I do offer data that could force some people to fell some imposition internally placed upon their lifelong belief systems....but these are called growing pains...they are normal....no I am not stocking Raggedy.....lol...you dont get a vote on that by the way.....lol...the thread content is similar and our paths merged...you explain why I sure cannot.....lol.

a reply to: one4all

I can see by your stars and flags, how many on ATS pay attention to you. No one cares about your dribble. The knowledge that is woven into the fabric of my reality, is that your a wannabe spiritual leader that no one wants to listen to.

a reply to: one4all

No you are not claiming anything, just esoteric Buddhist psychobabble or at least you imply that
No mother spawned all religions, that's a faith statement

Don't think I called you a liar, just you promising truth but offering nothing of value because you have secret gnosticism I am not interested in

Funny, I don't preach religion, don't support "A" church, just try to tell people that Jesus sets people free. Not organisations, not churches, not bibles, not laws or religion.
Jesus sets us free, we need nothing more than Him and fellow disciples of Jesus who are not above us in their authority
True servants of Jesus are servants, not leaders

Your understanding of my faith is just wrong, simply wrong

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: one4all

No you are not claiming anything, just esoteric Buddhist psychobabble or at least you imply that
No mother spawned all religions, that's a faith statement

Don't think I called you a liar, just you promising truth but offering nothing of value because you have secret gnosticism I am not interested in

Funny, I don't preach religion, don't support "A" church, just try to tell people that Jesus sets people free. Not organisations, not churches, not bibles, not laws or religion.
Jesus sets us free, we need nothing more than Him and fellow disciples of Jesus who are not above us in their authority
True servants of Jesus are servants, not leaders

Your understanding of my faith is just wrong, simply wrong

What is a Jesus?

a reply to: one4all

That's why it's not worth my time

Put up with your esoteric Buddhist psychobabble you are too afraid to speak of and then that

Classless arnt you

originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: one4all

That's why it's not worth my time

Put up with your esoteric Buddhist psychobabble you are too afraid to speak of and then that

Classless arnt you

How can I meet you in the middle when you refuse to stand and provide a starting point.


I don't know what you are defining as your Jesus...a lot of people use that name to represent different things that they as you believe in completely and I treat them as I treat you...fairly....so again I ask you clearly what is a Jesus to you?...its important because most times I have seen that word used it is in some pseudo-religous manner....however interpretation and meaning therefrom of the word jesus is a personal individual free will choice...you did however capitolise it which lends to use as a name....but I still cannot guess...and you refuse to even say....I am not saying an individual must subscribe to a religon to use the word jesus....I am understandably inquiring what a jesus is to you so I may better understand your perspective.


The question of WHO IS JESUS TO YOU is very very very important.....because there is a person often referred to as jesus in multiple contexts by different people and it is really the historic impacts that resonate to me when I hear the word jesus used....as an example I will say this ...Jesus overturned the tables of the moneymongers...this to me means someone at some significant point in humanities history attempted to overturn a supply/demand scarcity catalysed global economy...I don't think one man went into the Markeplace and flipped a Moneymongers table over....nope....however the significance of disenfranchising the dynamic which allows Moneymongers to exist is a core value issue IMHO....jesus might to me on some level represent the generic actions of neutering the dynamic providing Momeymongers a place to exist...and many many peoples of different times may have collectively worked together to validate that this disenfranchisement of the Moneymongers as a CORE VALUE HUMANITARIAN NEED so these many and diverse peoples are by proxy a material component of the word jesus to me as well......but I attatch zero religious significance to my personal definition.

I guess you could say I might believe that jesus is the name of a humanitarian definition and movement and there is no religious content at all.

Anyone who wishes to know which lies, half-truths and misrepresentations in the form of slander and propagandistic arguments have been used in this thread, can have a look at the video below, take special note of point nr. 4 and 5 (at 2:44):

Context:

Jehovahs Witnesses- [a destructive cult?]

In comparison, here's a typical propaganda piece by Russia Today (now known as Ruptly, a propaganda mouthpiece for the Russian government):

Who are the ones using propaganda and brainwashing, indoctrination and conditioning techniques again? And doing the Isaiah 5:20 'thingy' when pointing fingers at those who value and are concentrating on the "beneficial teaching" mentioned at 2 Timothy 4:3,4, and who are the ones referring to this "beneficial teaching" as propaganda, lies, brainwashing, etc.?

Isaiah 5:20,21

20 Woe to those who say that good is bad and bad is good,

Those who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness,

Those who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

21 Woe to those wise in their own eyes

And discreet in their own sight!

2 Timothy 4:3,4

3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the wholesome* [Or “healthful; beneficial.”] teaching, but according to their own desires, they will surround themselves with teachers to have their ears tickled.* [Or “to tell them what they want to hear.”] 4 They will turn away from listening to the truth and give attention to false stories.

a reply to: whereislogic

That is another JW propaganda clip. Sickens me there are still people out there pushing this destructive cult religion.

Notice this copy of your clip was posted by Jehovah Today. You are just spreading more propaganda.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: misskat1
Feelings of hatred and disdain fostered by propaganda, slander and those sowing contentions and inventing injurious things, using crooked speech full of malice and disdain that demonstrates a particular type of bitterness can be sickening for the mind and heart indeed. Here's some more "beneficial teaching" (2 Tim 4:3,4) regarding those subjects from a comment I made in another thread...

originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: Raggedyman

Proverbs 6:12,14-16,19

12 A useless and wicked man walks about with crooked speech;
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14 With a perverted heart,

He is always scheming evil and spreading contentions.

15 Therefore, his disaster will come suddenly;

In a moment he will be broken beyond healing.

16 There are six things that Jehovah hates;

Yes, seven things that he* [Or “his soul.”] detests:
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19 A false witness who lies with every breath,

And anyone sowing contentions among brothers.

Proverbs 16:28

28 A troublemaker* [Or “A schemer.”] causes dissension,

And a slanderer separates close friends.

Romans 2:5-8

5 But according to your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath for yourself on the day of wrath and of the revealing of God’s righteous judgment. 6 And he will pay back to each one according to his works: 7 everlasting life to those who are seeking glory and honor and incorruptibleness by endurance in work that is good; 8 however, for those who are contentious and who disobey the truth but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and anger.

Romans 16:17

17 Now I urge you, brothers, to keep your eye on those who create divisions and causes for stumbling contrary to the teaching that you have learned, and avoid them.

2 Timothy 2:23

23 Further, turn down foolish and ignorant questionings, knowing they produce fights.

James 3:5,6a,8, 13-16

5 So, too, the tongue is a small part of the body, and yet it makes great brags. See how small a fire it takes to set a great forest ablaze! 6 The tongue is also a fire. ...
8 But no human can tame the tongue. It is unruly and injurious, full of deadly poison.
...
13 Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him by his fine conduct demonstrate works performed with a mildness that comes from wisdom. 14 But if you have bitter jealousy and contentiousness* [Or possibly, “selfish ambition.”] in your hearts, do not be bragging and lying against the truth. 15 This is not the wisdom that comes down from above; it is earthly, animalistic, demonic. 16 For wherever there are jealousy and contentiousness,* there will also be disorder and every vile thing.
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The word "strife" is also related to "contentiousness". Romans 1:28-32:

28 Just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God,* [Or “they did not approve of holding God in accurate knowledge.”] God gave them over to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting. 29 And they were filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed,* [Or “covetousness.”] and badness, being full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice, being whisperers,* [Or “gossipers.”] 30 backbiters, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, schemers of what is harmful,* [Or “inventors of injurious things.”] disobedient to parents, 31 without understanding, false to agreements, having no natural affection, and merciless. 32 Although these know full well the righteous decree of God—that those practicing such things are deserving of death—they not only keep on doing them but also approve of those practicing them.

Strife: Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 2

Wrangling, quarreling, contending with another because of enmity. One Hebrew verb rendered “engage in strife” is also rendered “stir up” and “excite oneself.” Among the causes for strife alluded to in the Scriptures are hatred (Pr 10:12), rage (Pr 15:18; 29:22), intrigues (Pr 16:28), ridicule (Pr 22:10), heavy drinking (Pr 23:29, 30), slander (Pr 26:20), arrogance or pride, and lack of right teaching (Pr 28:25; 1Ti 6:3, 4). Strife destroys peace and happiness. Its unpleasant and repelling effect on other persons is repeatedly highlighted in the book of Proverbs. (Pr 19:13; 21:9, 19; 25:24; 27:15) ...

As one of the works of the flesh that is hated by Jehovah (Ga 5:19, 20; compare Pr 6:19; Ro 1:28, 29, 32; Jas 3:14-16), strife or contention has no place in the Christian congregation. (Ro 13:13; 1Co 3:3; 2Co 12:20; Php 2:3; Tit 3:9) One of the qualifications for a Christian overseer is that he be a nonbelligerent man. (1Ti 3:1, 3) Therefore, persons persisting in contention or strife are among those to receive God’s adverse judgment.​—Ro 2:6, 8.

"intrigues (Pr 16:28)" is an interesting cause to study (it relates to the topic of lies, slander and gossip, cause these things spread the fastest when they intrigue people in the manner described at 2 Tim 4:3,4, just what they wanted to hear, 'tickling ears'). I already quoted Pr 16:28 before.

originally posted by: whereislogic
a reply to: Raggedyman

So rid yourselves of all badness and deceit and hypocrisy and envy and all backbiting. 2 As newborn infants, form a longing for the unadulterated* [Or “pure.”] milk of the word, so that by means of it you may grow to salvation, 3 provided you have tasted* [Or “experienced.”] that the Lord is kind. (1 Peter 2:1-3)

Backbiting: Insight on the Scriptures, Volume 1

This is a rendering of the Greek term ka·ta·la·li·aʹ. The related verb ka·ta·la·leʹo literally means “speak against,” doing so without justification and usually in a malicious or hostile manner. (1Pe 2:12; 3:16)

Earlier concerning the concept of "strife" I also quoted:

Wrangling, quarreling, contending with another because of enmity. One Hebrew verb rendered “engage in strife” is also rendered “stir up” and “excite oneself.”

Bringing up certain topics and certain types of "questionings" is an efficient and cunning way to stir up the emotions (in particular hatred, fierceness), including in "those listening" as it also "overturns those listening" (and works against developing a merciful spirit, mildness and a calm mind and heart; it stirs up or excites those after all, it makes one more merciless, fierce and contentious).
Jesus said: “A good man brings forth good out of the good treasure of his heart, but a wicked man brings forth what is wicked out of his wicked treasure; for out of the heart’s abundance his mouth speaks.” (Luke 6:45)

Paul urged the Ephesians to avoid not only the hurtful words but also the feelings behind them. He wrote: “Let all malicious bitterness and anger and wrath and screaming and abusive speech be taken away from you along with all badness.” (Ephesians 4:31) Note that before citing “screaming and abusive speech,” Paul mentioned “malicious bitterness and anger and wrath.” It is the rage that boils within that threatens to erupt in an outburst of hurtful speech. So ask yourself: ‘Do I harbor bitterness and wrath in my heart? Am I “disposed to rage”?’ (Proverbs 29:22)

22 A man prone to anger stirs up strife;

Anyone disposed to rage commits many transgressions.

Believe what you want to believe, its not my job to save you. And why would you quote the JW BS that just doesnt carry any weight or reality? Like I would believe anything you people say. You need to research how you have destroyed families, and cover up pedophilia, your bible was not translated by scholars and is full of errors. Your wolves in sheeps clothing sneaking into to houses and captivating silly women laden with sin.


I Just hope people are smart enough to see through this madness.

a reply to: whereislogic
Feelings of prejudice are also stirred up by bringing up certain slanderous topics (or by using crooked speech, starting or kindling a fire with your tongue, etc.). Just like anger, disdain, malicious bitterness and a merciless attitude.

Eph 4:29

29 Let a rotten word not come out of your mouth, but only what is good for building up as the need may be, to impart what is beneficial to the hearers.

Some people prefer using their words to tear down rather than to build up by imparting what is beneficial to the hearers.

A and E made a great documentary, I highly recommend it to anyone actually seeking the truth.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: aniceday

Jehovah’s Witnesses in Russia Framed as Possessing Dangerous “Weapons” for “Extremist” Activity

My intent is to not argue but look at reasons and facts. The Russians are Eastern Slavic people and their ways of life and thinking are not as in the USA. They have a great many faults the same as any people and they also have their reasons just as we have our reasons. Their history is peppered with hardship, wars and death and with religious persecutions.

Today the Russian government is fighting a great war on terrorism but not in the same way that the US is fighting their war of terrorism. They have been fighting this war long before the US had even realized there was a war on terrorists. In order to fight this war effectively is to keep the unwanted terrorists from becoming seated and multiplying.

Russia is over 70 percent Orthodox Christianity with over 20 percent non religious. Their Christianity is mostly compatible with evangelical beliefs in this country or at least their basic faith is compatible. In order to fight terrorism effectively it is most essential that any country must have a vast majority in being unified.

Russia looks at this country with total disbelief as this entire country is in disarray and filled with disrespect of the flag, president, racial hatred and free press dishonesty. Christianity is a thing of the past in the USA with cults from shore to shore. This entire country is riddled with murder, drugs, theft and hatred. The Russian people are vastly united in both pride of country and religion. Their survival is hinged upon what they have endured in being slaughtered by the millions. We have never experienced what they have experienced by any foreign power.

This is the main reason that Russia will not follow the American way of government nor will they allow the American immigration of filth to corrupt their land. The Jehovah Witnesses are not the only ones that are not allowed to openly proselytize but this secular law applies to all of Russia. This is to curtail eventual rebellion and become infected as we see it in this country.

Here we can see that Germany arrested and murdered as many Jehovah Witnesses as they could find. Russians gave their blood to kill the enemy of the Jehovah Witnesses and to help the Jehovah Witnesses recover their faith. Was the blood of those Russians insulted by the refusal of Jehovah Witnesses to even pledge respect to the nation who saved them? Was it not insulting to the Russians that not only refusing to honor their nation was an insult but to not even tend the sick or dying was the greatest of insults to humanity? Where does it end? Is it not taught by theses same Jehovah witnesses that those Christians who gave their lives are not worthy of the rewards of their sacrifice?

The question of most Russian Christians is that if their people disrespect their country in the manner of which is shown by these Jehovah Witnesses, are they more inclined of eventual insurrection? This is the suspicion that lurks in Russia today and in many ways this same disrespect that the Jehovah Witnesses show is in the minds of most all people. I don't really understand a person who would not even protect its own child.

are they more inclined of eventual insurrection

I am going to say no, based on them being jailed and executed for around 10 years under Hitler, non-compliance with evil from a small minority is not trying to overthrow the government, just saying, that's bad we aren't doing it, in its simplest form. Doing absolute evil for a country is never good, ever, more people should stand up like the people who wore that purple triangle during WW2.

Additionally the reasoning you use in your post about the how the typical Russian feels about WW2 and the interaction between the non-supporting Bibelforscher, makes zero logical sense. The "ALLIES" liberated the concentration camps, some Americans and some Soviets. From there many were sent to Siberia even though they were the enemy of the Nazi state. Your entire perspective either from a lack of knowledge of history or total bias is just wrong.

I would offer this counter argument; the Russian Orthodox Church wants no competition, and the government is on their side.
It wouldn't be the first time a major Christian religion treated other Christians badly just look what happened to William Tyndale who was just trying to get the bible to people in their own language. The Russians have actually banned a Russian bible now as well, shades of past practices from centuries ago.