National Solar Observatory, USPS office in Sunspot, NM evacuated for 'safety reasons'

a reply to: Tanga36

Oh, that's far from the only problem. Heh. No cordon, no local support, no FBI after they showed up and the place was evacuated, perimeter with holes so big a brass band could have walked through unseen.....

a reply to: Zaphod58

So, zaphod, I understand the mundaneness of this operation, but what I'm having a really tough time with is why? Why turn it into this big of a circus?

This could have been all handled much more transparently, without risking any secrets lost, without losing any advantages.
Why???
The more crap they spin puts them more at risk as far as I see, they are creating holes, shedding light on methods used to destroy people of interest,

Why are they deep screwing this pooch so hard???

a reply to: caterpillage

Because they haven't caught up to social media yet. Five or ten years ago, this operation would have barely been a blip on the radar, if it was noticed at all. It takes awhile for government agencies to catch up.

So media has reported the reason for the shutdown was because a Janitor was using the observatories WI-FI to look at and distribute child pornography.

I am having a hard time believing they shut down and evacuated a Solar observatory, a post office and the residents over a Janitor and child porn.


New Mexico observatory shut down amid FBI child porn investigation: documents

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Tanga36

Oh, that's far from the only problem. Heh. No cordon, no local support, no FBI after they showed up and the place was evacuated, perimeter with holes so big a brass band could have walked through unseen.....

I agree. And the fact that they went to this as the "official story" screams that it is, without question, a much bigger story. It's possible that it's even bigger than any of the theories that have been presented throughout this entire thread. If you want to get everyone to shut up, you use a story that will garner support across the board. Child porn is the most vile activity someone could ever be involved with and anyone involved should never be allowed to walk the streets again. If this proves to be the truth then I applaud the authorities for shutting it down. However, with no charges, no arrests, shutting down an entire facility and post office for 10+ days, evacuating 20+ people and not allowing them back into their homes, leaving the entire place with zero security for over a week... For kiddie porn?? Does not make ANY sense!

It would be like shutting down and evac-ing a neighborhood when someone on the street is trading in kiddie porn. All the IP addresses would be close to the one that's got all the activity going on. But they just come in, ARREST the owner of the property, grab all electronic devices and let the neighbors do their thing. They usually have enough evidence before they go in, why not in this case? They claim to have known ahead of time, claim the janitor had been acting and saying strange things, tied the janitor to the times this activity was happening on the server, point their fingers at him as the guy but don't arrest him? Don't tell the local Sheriff? And so many other anomalous things that just don't make sense.

If it really is a kiddie porn bust, good job! But just like the last couple of weeks, I am not buying their story.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Yeah, you've mentioned that earlier.
It just seems odd that a moron like me can see the absurdity in their ways, when they have PHD'S figuring out their path.

a reply to: caterpillage

Institutional inertia. For as long as they've been operating, they have had no problem keeping things secret. They understand how things have changed, but not on a serious level.

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: caterpillage

Institutional inertia. For as long as they've been operating, they have had no problem keeping things secret. They understand how things have changed, but not on a serious level.

Ahh institutional inertia, now that’s a great pentagon talk term! Better than buerocractic hysteresis lol

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Tanga36

Oh, that's far from the only problem. Heh. No cordon, no local support, no FBI after they showed up and the place was evacuated, perimeter with holes so big a brass band could have walked through unseen.....

There's no need to cordon off the observatory or set up any level of a perimeter. There is only one avenue of egress. That place is literally in the middle of nowhere at an elevation of 9,000 + feet. They knew exactly what was on premise, where it was, and where it was GOING. They retrieved it and left.

originally posted by: Outlier13

originally posted by: Zaphod58
a reply to: Tanga36

Oh, that's far from the only problem. Heh. No cordon, no local support, no FBI after they showed up and the place was evacuated, perimeter with holes so big a brass band could have walked through unseen.....

There's no need to cordon off the observatory or set up any level of a perimeter. There is only one avenue of egress. That place is literally in the middle of nowhere at an elevation of 9,000 + feet. They knew exactly what was on premise, where it was, and where it was GOING. They retrieved it and left.

That's the exact point. There was no need for any of that but they still evacuated a couple dozen people and made them relocate for a week and a half, shut down one of the most advanced solar observatories in the world, said absolutely nothing for 2 weeks, supposedly left the local Sheriff in the dark even though it seems that he has been a valuable partner of Federal agencies in the past and the biggest part... Didn't make an arrest.

The last time FBI raided some kiddie porn creep in my area, they came in with state, county and city cops, handcuffed the guy, allowed media to take the "walk of shame" pics of him being stuffed in the backseat, grabbed his equipment, and it was on the front page of the paper the next day. There were also quotes from the local cops and all the way up to the FBI agents. They didn't shut down his entire neighborhood, they didn't close the business he worked at. They did go to the business and retrieved his work computer (as an aside, I was told there wasn't even a warrant for that one because the owner gladly coperated and handed it to them). Again, why all the secrecy, evac & relocation of people, subsequent shut down, no arrest but still allow him to work inside the facility?

a reply to: Tanga36

Well since you put it that way, it seems the kiddie porn story doesn't hold much water huh?

And also it does not explain why other observatories around the world went offline at the same time.

There used to be a skit on BBC's famed TV program Monty Python's Flying Circus which is befitting of this whole event.

The segment was called "Confuse-A-Cat"

It was a series of non-sequiturs executed by a bunch of Keystone Cops like characters which left the observer scratching their head and asking themselves WTF did they just watch? (it was quite hilarious by the way). The viewer was never sure if they had just watched sheer brilliance...or stupidity beyond description. And, more than likely it was the latter.

a reply to: Outlier13

So they come in looking for someone, and leave them all kinds of places to hide and no effort to contain them. And that makes sense?

a reply to: myss427

The other observatories didn't go offline. It appears they only shut down webcams for them, not the observatories themselves.

originally posted by: caterpillage
a reply to: Tanga36

Well since you put it that way, it seems the kiddie porn story doesn't hold much water huh?

I really don't know if it is or is not really the case. What I do know/feel is that whenever they want questioning or coverage to stop and stop in a hurry, they use a story that can't really be questioned or that most people will just blindly accept. Who is going to ask for the evidence and why would they? Another thing why this type of story works as an awesome cover is that how difficult would it be for the FBI to remotely put some images on a computer and set someone up to be a patsy? Again, I'm not saying that's what is happening here, but this is not the first time they've used this to get someone to either shut up or take attention away from something else(Stanley Romanek whether you think the guy is an absolute nut or whether you believed him, he was loud and visible and then any credibility he may have had was obliterated. Also, just yesterday Cody Wilson was being sought for having sex with a minor. Idk about any evidence against him but he was someone the government couldn't stop from doing something they didn't like and coincidentally he just so happened to go have sex with a kid). How do you defend yourself against kiddie porn? Even if you are innocent, I really don't think it'd be that difficult for the feds to get into your computer and hide a few images, and how would you be able to defend yourself? Either way, as soon as child porn or molestation is brought up, credibility is out the window forever. And everyone is always on board with getting a sicko off the street. Who wouldn't be?

And now they double down.

a reply to: Zaphod58

Zaph, is there potentially more to this site than we are aware of. In example, the main telescope extends 228' underground and the site was originally built and operated by the U.S. government with close proximity to White Sands and Alamogordo.

If nothing underground, could top-side tech at the site one would want to keep secret have been related to USAF goals to "Owning the Weather by 2025"?

Trying to think of what could warrant cover-up in 2018 but still be considered 'boring,' can only see sonic weapons and 5G-related something as left on the list; espionage still feels like a strong angle, 'national security' could justify the bad cover-stories I imagine.

Sorry if these points have been covered or are getting out there, I've tried to limit speculation prior to now.

Mentally sick human is a much more likely cause then ETs, secret spacecrafts, alien whamy ray, etc.

The search warrant filed last week in federal court in Las Cruces said the facility’s chief observer, who was not identified, told FBI agents in August he found a laptop computer with child pornography several months earlier but did not immediately report the discovery to authorities because he was “distracted” by an unspecified urgent issue at the observatory.

He found it one the other guy's laptop. Why was he looking at that computer? Maybe he was doing the same and need time for his CYA when someone else threatened to get the word out.

There was no porn just a badly fuddled project update.