Miss America ends swimsuit competition

a reply to: WarPig1939

You are free to check out of this progressive society anytime you wish. Go buy a cabin in the bush. It's called freedom and we all have the right to be free from the shackles that some outdated and harmful programming within society still negatively defines us. In this case, the objectification and sexual exploitation of women.

a reply to: redmage

I know where you are going with this but I will play along because it suits me to do so. It would be regarding your last point, as to whom is watching beauty pageants. Show me the evidence and also the 'why' they are watching it. Blanket statement.

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: WarPig1939

You are free to check out of this progressive society anytime you wish. Go buy a cabin in the bush. It's called freedom and we all have the right to be free from the shackles that some outdated and harmful programming within society still negatively defines us. In this case, the objectification and sexual exploitation of women.

Oh please, you act like women were forced to do these exploitive acts. This isn't the 1940s or the 1950s, women are free to choose to do what the hell they want. No one is forcing women to be in swim suit competitions, beauty pageants, porn modeling, modeling, or being a exotic dancer.

They chose to do these things, if they enjoy doing them then let them. You or no one else speak for what women want in today's society. That is the whole point of female empowerment is letting women decide what they want to do. Provocative or not.

You call it female empowerment when a select few females dictate to the rest of the female population of what is acceptable and what isn't. Which defeats the entire purpose of female empowerment.

originally posted by: InTheLight
we all have the right to be free from the shackles that some outdated and harmful programming within society still negatively defines us. In this case, the objectification and sexual exploitation of women.

If that's your issue, then a great place to start would be firing all of the female editors responsible for plastering cleavage and skin from cover to cover in all of the women's magazines I see at every grocery checkout. The " sexual exploitation of women" is largely done for women by women every day. It's not men creating, or buying up Cosmo and their ilk.

originally posted by: WarPig1939

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: WarPig1939

You are free to check out of this progressive society anytime you wish. Go buy a cabin in the bush. It's called freedom and we all have the right to be free from the shackles that some outdated and harmful programming within society still negatively defines us. In this case, the objectification and sexual exploitation of women.

Oh please, you act like women were forced to do these exploitive acts. This isn't the 1940s or the 1950s, women are free to choose to do what the hell they want. No one is forcing women to be in swim suit competitions, beauty pageants, porn modeling, modeling, or being a exotic dancer.

They chose to do these things, if they enjoy doing them then let them. You or no one else speak for what women want in today's society. That is the whole point of female empowerment is letting women decide what they want to do. Provocative or not.

You call it female empowerment when a select few females dictate to the rest of the female population of what is acceptable and what isn't. Which defeats the entire purpose of female empowerment.

So how come the choice to drop the swim suit segment is a 'go'?

a reply to: stormcell

WTF was that???????

How to I "unsee" that???

originally posted by: redmage

originally posted by: InTheLight
we all have the right to be free from the shackles that some outdated and harmful programming within society still negatively defines us. In this case, the objectification and sexual exploitation of women.

If that's your issue, then a great place to start would be firing all of the female editors responsible for plastering cleavage and skin from cover to cover in all of the women's magazines I see at every grocery checkout. The " sexual exploitation of women" is largely done for women by women every day. It's not men creating, or buying up Cosmo and their ilk.

Show me evidence.

Bah most of them have skinny legs and no boobs anyhow.
Does anyone watch it these days?.

originally posted by: testingtesting
Bah most of them have skinny legs and no boobs anyhow.
Does anyone watch it these days?.

Nobody knows who watches or does not watch it, just a guessing game.

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: WarPig1939

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: WarPig1939

You are free to check out of this progressive society anytime you wish. Go buy a cabin in the bush. It's called freedom and we all have the right to be free from the shackles that some outdated and harmful programming within society still negatively defines us. In this case, the objectification and sexual exploitation of women.

Oh please, you act like women were forced to do these exploitive acts. This isn't the 1940s or the 1950s, women are free to choose to do what the hell they want. No one is forcing women to be in swim suit competitions, beauty pageants, porn modeling, modeling, or being a exotic dancer.

They chose to do these things, if they enjoy doing them then let them. You or no one else speak for what women want in today's society. That is the whole point of female empowerment is letting women decide what they want to do. Provocative or not.

You call it female empowerment when a select few females dictate to the rest of the female population of what is acceptable and what isn't. Which defeats the entire purpose of female empowerment.

So how come the choice to drop the swim suit segment is a 'go'?

It was a decision made by the people that run it. I can bet you it wasn't even discussed with any of the pageant competitors. If the pageant goers were given a choice and they all agreed by majority then good for them.

originally posted by: InTheLight
Show me evidence.

Show yourself! Step away from the computer and go grocery shopping. While you're there pay attention in the checkout line. You'll notice a plethora of women's magazines all covered in swimsuits, yoga pants, cleavage, bare midriffs, etc, and plenty of cover blurbs like, "How to get your summer swimsuit body!".

originally posted by: WarPig1939

originally posted by: InTheLight

originally posted by: WarPig1939

originally posted by: InTheLight
a reply to: WarPig1939

You are free to check out of this progressive society anytime you wish. Go buy a cabin in the bush. It's called freedom and we all have the right to be free from the shackles that some outdated and harmful programming within society still negatively defines us. In this case, the objectification and sexual exploitation of women.

Oh please, you act like women were forced to do these exploitive acts. This isn't the 1940s or the 1950s, women are free to choose to do what the hell they want. No one is forcing women to be in swim suit competitions, beauty pageants, porn modeling, modeling, or being a exotic dancer.

They chose to do these things, if they enjoy doing them then let them. You or no one else speak for what women want in today's society. That is the whole point of female empowerment is letting women decide what they want to do. Provocative or not.

You call it female empowerment when a select few females dictate to the rest of the female population of what is acceptable and what isn't. Which defeats the entire purpose of female empowerment.

So how come the choice to drop the swim suit segment is a 'go'?

It was a decision made by the people that run it. I can bet you it wasn't even discussed with any of the pageant competitors. If the pageant goers were given a choice and they all agreed by majority then good for them.

I would agree with you that if the contestants have nothing else going for them but their looks and bodies, then of course they would vote to keep the swimsuit segment.

originally posted by: redmage

originally posted by: InTheLight
Show me evidence.

Show yourself! Step away from the computer and go grocery shopping. While you're there pay attention in the checkout line. You'll notice a plethora of women's magazines all covered in swimsuits, yoga pants, cleavage, bare midriffs, etc.

Those mags cater to a specific type of woman - the sexually free - you really are off the beaten track and are confusing sexual objectification with women being sexually free to do what they want, including showing their bodies on the front of a mag if they so choose. Cosmo mag is not a beauty pageant or competition, your argument has no bearing on the topic at hand, that being defining beauty through sexual objectification.

a reply to: InTheLight

What evidence are you looking for??? Do you deny the overwhelming majority of viewers who watch the Miss (whatever) pageants are women?? Surely you don't deny this do you? Because, I'm sure you know this would be foolish beyond description, right?

What does it matter if the producers are male or female? One only needs to look at the advertising to tell what demographic the pageants are aimed towards. You don't see Cabelas, Ace Hardware and mens hair loss commercials do you? Absolutely not, you see makeup, hair care and beauty aids...for WOMEN!

What proof is it you're looking for????

So to your other question about why was it approved...it was approved because the SJW's (likely a bunch of butch fat chicks (not guys) who coudn't get a date if their lives depended on it) shamed them into not resisting...and their ratings will suffer as a result. Say good bye to all those big fat advertising checks for all those hair care and makeup products! Cuz, it's about what's on the inside, right? I mean it's that, or screaming at the sky (again), right? Just so Billy the hermaphrodite biker chick can get up there on the stage, just one time.

What evidence do you want?

Heck even guys have their version of a beauty pageant. It's called the body building competition and/or something similar across the country. No one is complaining about that and the only thing those men wear are speedos. Where is the verdict on that huh?

Or are women the only gender that feel the need to be "protected" from prying eyes? If anyone wants this so called sexual objectification to end, you should pack your bags and move to a middle eastern country. Over in places like Iran or Saudi Arabia, they stone women that don't cover up.

a reply to: InTheLight

That's absolute BS!! They know EXACTLY who watches these shows!!!

Again, just look at the targeted advertising. They're not advertising Ford trucks during these shows! Nope, they're advertising maxi-pads and femine products.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

I am asking for the gender statistics on that point, where is the evidence? Who did the polling? Did they ask the viewers why they are watching the pageant? You and others are making blanket statements without any evidence that I can see.

originally posted by: InTheLight
Those mags cater to a specific type of woman - the sexually free - you really are off the beaten track and are confusing sexual objectification with women being sexually free to do what they want, including showing their bodies on the front of a mag if they so choose. Cosmo mag is not a beauty pageant or competition, your argument has no bearing on the topic at hand, that being defining beauty through sexual objectification.

Those pageants, and the advertisers buying their time slots, cater to a specific type of women. No one is forcing these women into beauty pageants. They freely choose to show their bodies in swimsuits. You really are off the beaten track and are confusing sexual objectification with women being sexually free to do what they want. Your argument of sexual objectification has no bearing on the topic at hand.

Double standards in this day and age women can ogle freely men can not anymore.

www.google.co.uk...

originally posted by: WarPig1939
Heck even guys have their version of a beauty pageant. It's called the body building competition and/or something similar across the country. No one is complaining about that and the only thing those men wear are speedos. Where is the verdict on that huh?

Or are women the only gender that feel the need to be "protected" from prying eyes? If anyone wants this so called sexual objectification to end, you should pack your bags and move to a middle eastern country. Over in places like Iran or Saudi Arabia, they stone women that don't cover up.

And where are the stats of which gender is viewing those body-building shows? Women body build too, what about those gender stats? If we pryed deeper we'd see audiences are not gender based but interest based.