People don't know how to vacation anymore!

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: JAGStorm

I don't get it either. Save up all year to take a long trip, wait in crowded lines, fly on crowded planes, sail on crowded ships to hang out on crowded beaches, thousands of miles from home.
Its not just that we aren't happy with our surroundings, its we aren't happy with our lifestyle and ourselves.

Bored of life already? Or frustrated by its pressures and limitations...

I'm so bored and stressed with my life I'll suffer immense boredom and stress to get someplace else I've never been. The whole time I'll pretend this is the best ever...

Crowds are part of the experience sometimes. I was just in San Francisco for GDC. 28,000 attendees for the conference. Had some great food (if you're ever in SF be sure to hit The Stinking Rose), got to enjoy the city, visit the wharf, walk around, and so on. Plus the conference itself which was super interesting. If there were fewer people, it would have been much less cool.

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi
How about if you don't like the subject or believe the OP you simply don't respond?

Nope, not how it works. The place isn't an echo chamber for your confirmation bias.

Again, you're full of advice for other people...

What I gave you wasn't 'advice', it's how the site works. I know this and I'm not even a moderator despite your best attempts to make me one.

originally posted by: GuidedKill
I'm interested in someone coming in a thread spewing a bunch of crap and acting like they live and know what happens locally in an area.

I'm either the third of fourth person who said Clearwater was a skeevy spring break town at certain points of the year which was backed up with some links. So people shouldn't be shocked, like the Original Poster, when they show up and during spring break-which as we covered ad nauseum, typically occurs in March and April-and people are acting like spring breakers.

I dont have to live there to know what goes on there, just like you dont have to live in New York City to know it's filled with really tall buildings. If you feel people have to reside in every place they are commenting on than that's your issue.

I don't really know what vacationing right is, but I do have to agree that people don't do it right anymore.

I can't help but notice that many of my employees come back from vacay at the same stress level, if not more so, then when they left.

I won't lie and say I go electronics free for my personal vacations, but I am certainly work electronics free. That is also what I recommend my employees do...they think we don't notice that they check the BIM's and emails when they are gone.

A lot of the younger guys need to learn that we work to live, we don't live to work. Take your electronics, be happy, but ignore work, leave it here. It will still be here when you get back.

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Out of interest, how often do you look at your phone?

What type of phone do you have?

Not AM but...

I have an iPhoneX with unlimited everything for my work phone. I have a $35 Tracfone smartphone that I bought 4 years ago for my personal phone. I check them each once a day to make sure I didn't miss any texts/calls. Most of the time I don't carry either on me. I do however have a tablet on me 24/7, and will pull it out and use it in a restaurant while eating my meal. In fact, I'm doing that right now.

Neither my tablet or either phone has a single additional app installed on them with the exception of flux on my tablet since I tend to use it a lot while laying in bed for the night.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: GuidedKill
I'm interested in someone coming in a thread spewing a bunch of crap and acting like they live and know what happens locally in an area.

I dont have to live their to know what goes on there, just like you dont have to live in New York City to know it's filled with really tall buildings. If you feel people have to reside in every place they are commenting on than that's your issue.

Nice Strawman....did you build him yourself?

LMAO just say it man, you were wrong.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No - I'll tell you how the site works.

People start threads and often it results in an interesting conversation.

But sometimes a miserable, self-righteous old witch comes out of its little cave to provoke an argument...that'd be you.

And people like me roll our yes and we're like...yeah, here we go again. Another self-important troll looking for any old excuse to stroke their tired old ego.

We're done now, just so you know - you can stfu.

Thread's ruined, you win, I'm out.

originally posted by: GuidedKill
LMAO just say it man, you were wrong.

Wrong about what? That spring break mostly takes place in April and March and that there aren't a large number of college spring breakers in Florida in February? That?

I don't want to lie to make you happy.

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi
a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

No - I'll tell you how the site works.

People start threads and often it results in an interesting conversation.

But sometimes a miserable, self-righteous old witch comes out of its little cave to provoke an argument...that'd be you.

And people like me roll our yes and we're like...yeah, here we go again. Another self-important troll looking for any old excuse to stroke their tired old ego.

We're done now, just so you know - you can stfu.

Thread's ruined, you win, I'm out.

Usually everything associated with these type of people is pointless. It's pointless to argue pointless people who only prove our points by having no real facts to base their pointless arguments on. It's a vicious circle.

We really shouldn't engage in battles of intelligence with unarmed people. It's pointless.

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi
People start threads and often it results in an interesting conversation.

What you classify as 'interesting conversation' is not universal.

I'm out.

You said that already.

originally posted by: LungFuMoShi
a reply to: Aazadan

Yeah, I can understand that I guess.

I'm not an adventurous person when it comes to food, I'd take photos of my food if it looked that good but who wants to see a snap of a steak and gravy pie or a bowl of super noodles?

Nobody, but these are some of my favourite types of food.

I did once take a photo of a club sandwich I ordered in a hotel not because it looked good but for evidence.

I don't use facebook, twitter, or anything else. I do use quite a few forums though. I don't post pictures online, but since I live in a small town where most people just aren't exposed to anything outside of the bubble, I do like getting to open peoples eyes a little bit to the experiences they're missing out on beyond just the landmarks.

My favorite anecdote that's food related has to do with iced tea. Where I live, iced tea is by default sweet, it's 50% sugar, 40% water, and 10% tea... southern style essentially. I detest this, and always have to specify that I want my tea to be unsweet. When traveling out west though, they don't serve sweet tea, at the most they'll have a fruit flavor additive, and some places will have sugar packets. This always comes across to the people I tell as some really weird culture shift. In fact, I've seen one of my coworkers on a trip we took to San Diego once spend 20 minutes trying to explain sweet tea to the waitress and trying to get it. I always find it very humorous, and a tangible way to explain to people how things can differ in small ways when you travel a little bit.

originally posted by: peck420
I don't really know what vacationing right is, but I do have to agree that people don't do it right anymore.

I believe that for the most part, this is because few people have the funds or PTO to take proper vacations anymore. We literally forgot how to do it as a culture. I think that this means US vacations when they do come back as a common practice for everyone (if they come back) will look much different than they did in the past.

I can't help but notice that many of my employees come back from vacay at the same stress level, if not more so, then when they left.

It's an issue of business efficiency. In order to take a vacation, you need to get ahead on work, which will then become your new normal pace, and then when you're gone a weeks worth of work (or more) piles up, and you have to put in a lot of extra time just to catch back up. I know this isn't true everywhere, but in many places it is. From what I've seen, many companies try to address this by scheduling everyones vacations at close to the same time. At my work for example, the whole business basically shuts down for the month of December.

I guess if people just want to argue they'll argue about anything. Sad.

What is this "vacation" thing we are speaking of?

a reply to: JAGStorm

My vacations generally consist of going to the Red River Gorge in KY and camping in areas where there is zero cell phone reception, lots of nature, lots of hiking, and lots of fishing. I never want to head back home every time that I'm there.

Every year my Krav Maga classes go do training out in the woods at "the Gorge," too, and it's awesome when people walk buy seeing us training with rubber knives and guns in shirts with 'strange writing' on them (even if it's Hebrew).

pics or it didn't happen...

But seriously, why would you even go on vacation if you weren't going to rub every minute of it in your friends faces via social media?

No but for real, you probably didn't even go on vacation cause I didn't see any selfies you posted.

Just kidding, but seriously, what is wrong with you? why not just embrace social media so you can get likes and people know your not miserable, i mean everyone who doesn't constantly update their social media is miserable, everyone knows that...

Just kidding, Just kidding.

These are just jokes.

a reply to: Aazadan

I'm actually pretty happy with my life and one of the least bored people I know. I travel quite a bit, sometimes to very desolate places, sometimes to very crowded places. We lived in Florida for a while and used to go to a lot of the beaches on both sides of the state. Clearwater was one we hadn't visited in a long time so this time we wanted to go back to the Pier and a few restaurants we liked.

My post was more about how the experience changed. Six / Seven years ago there was still crowds, but now there are crowds with cell phones doing really impolite things. I actually feel like it was a pretty drastic change. I'm sure it isn't just Clearwater that is experiencing this shift in technology and usage, but It was just magnified there.

Maybe you aren't happy with your life and being around people and are projecting onto others because you are unable to vacation. Sad!

I gotta say, I agree with Augustus original point, even if it has degenerated into a troll-fest.

Why the hell would anyone care how others vacation? You do it your way, let them do it theirs. If people snapping pictures and walking slowly because they are on their phones bother you that much, time to look in the mirror and find out why you are so easily triggered.

Ps. As a libertarian, I believe in live and let live. If others aren't huting you or directly infringing on your rights, let them be

a reply to: JAGStorm

You wouldn't think it would impact your vacation but it totally does here's why. I am walking down to the beach. I have to stop 20 times so I don't run into the person that stops in front of me taking a selfie.

I am enjoying the waves hitting the sand, then two women block my view and start taking selfies in an almost X rated style in front of all the kids.

If there is anything historic or interesting to look at you'll have to fight with hordes of people taking photos with their phones and unlike back in the camera days people are just plain rude with their phones.

When you drive in these small vacation towns people take selfies while driving, this is perhaps the most disturbing of all and the frequency in which it happens is shocking!

I've just hit the tip of the iceberg, but it is bad!

a reply to: nightbringr

When you are driving and the driver in front of you hits on their brakes for no apparent reason, does that bother you? What if that happened to you twenty times while just walking due to people just stopping and taking selfies?, I'm guessing even the mild mannered person would be bothered by this.

What if you found the most perfect spot on the beach, and then people just hop in front and start taking photos

This is not about being triggered, if you read previous posts I've been going to this exact same beach for years and years, but noticed this time people on their devices are more rude and oblivious than ever. I have never once experienced these things in years past.

I noticed that I wasn't the only one bothered by this, a guy running almost got hit by a car (probably texting/ or selfie) people walking with children were trying not to get ran over. People walking on the beach almost falling on people because they are looking into their phones and not paying attention. Believe me, I love going to the beach and live and let live, but pretty hard to do that when people are not allowing that to happen!