Florida House Bill Requires "In God We Trust" Displayed In All Public Schools

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Woodcarver

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Nope still dont see it, what law was created endorsing a religion?

Was it stupid to do this, yea because Florida has a bucket load of problems that need to be addressed so wasting time on something that is going to be challenged in courts immediately was a stupid publicity stunt.

Did the state mandate that the phrase be written on the walls of the schools or not?

I still don't see anything beyond a generic phrase that some people attribute to Christianity, by religion I expect to see a citation towards Catholics, protestants, Methodists, 7th day Adventist etc.

I just cant get that excited, as long as they are not pushing a particular religion in school they can put whatever they want on the side of a school 99% of kids never read that stuff.

a reply to: RomeByFire

If Allah, is just Arabic for god (I don't speak Arabic) than I misunderstood it to be a specific name of god. Thus denoting a specific religion. That doesn't prove your point, as I don't even know what your point is. What I was espousing still stands.

Who said anything about NOT teaching science ? How did you go from a sign in a hallway, equaling the complete dismissal of academic subjects ?

Of course We're typing about 'Thee God' (King James Version II; 3rd revision; 4th rewrite, That One..) or as Pastor Dave says "The Love God and not the pus and petulant One..." New Testy not Old Testy..



You really want the MOST IMPORTANT relationship One can have sullied by 'organized religion™'? Really?

WWJT? What Would Jesus Type?

Stay Hydrated...

originally posted by: JimNasium
WWJT? What Would Jesus Type?

Stay Hydrated...

Probably something profound, wise and enlightening. It would also probably be in Aramaic, so none of us would have any clue what he was saying....

a reply to: Wayfarer

Judaeo-Christianity is what this country was founded on.

As long as the Sign does not say " In BLANK'S God we Trust" there is no violation.

Untrue. There's millions who don't believe in a patriarchal god. I still insist that if it's going up, then I want "In Goddess We Trust" displayed just as prominently.

Do you people really not get the problem with this? FFS there's 7 pages on a forum debating it.

originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
a reply to: Wayfarer

Judaeo-Christianity is what this country was founded on.

This country was founded on not being unduely taxed by Britain without any say in the matter.

originally posted by: Eshel

As long as the Sign does not say " In BLANK'S God we Trust" there is no violation.

Untrue. There's millions who don't believe in a patriarchal god. I still insist that if it's going up, then I want "In Goddess We Trust" displayed just as prominently.

Do you people really not get the problem with this? FFS there's 7 pages on a forum debating it.

Considering that an ultimate being with no physical manifestation, being above and beyond the material realm, surpassing the fallibility of mortal beings ; Would be absolutely genderless. The demand to attribute a specific sex strikes me as asinine, and rather shallow even for such short-sightedness.

With that said, god or goddess are interchangeable ; and being insulted by one over the other is just a petty argument wouldn't you say ?

originally posted by: Plotus
The beauty thing for you atheists is your choice to not believe in God's Wrath for disobedience.

You can deny Him, and do. All's cool... The one constant of recorded history, Man and his Creator. But we who believe are 'delusional' ...

You can hope you are right and we are delusional. But hay, this was all foretold by 'Prophets'

2 Timothy 3:1-5

Godlessness in the Last Days

3 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. 2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, 4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

Aw what the hay, it means nothing, it's only the word of that God of our Delusion...

Amazing that they call it a delusion when they're playing a major role in the Bible's parables. Irony at its best.

a reply to: mamabeth

In some countries, the religion of choice *is* forced on the populace. Go look up "atheist death sentence in Islamic countries". There are communities here in the US where if you're not a christian, you cannot buy property ( www.theguardian.com... for a starter), and you will be run out of a place.

Come on you "constitutionalists" let's see the protest and boycotts, Separation of church and state!

originally posted by: midicon

I think 'In God we trust', is an unsuitable statement for public schools as it sends out the wrong message to pupils. It implies that the school 'trusts in God', or supports the idea that there is a God. Public schools shouldn't be supporting creationism other than as another topic for study or some such.

They just had a massacre in their state. Maybe God isn't irrelevant to them anymore. Nobody thinks about that.

originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero
a reply to: Wayfarer

Judaeo-Christianity is what this country was founded on.

I'm not sure how that's relevant (or even entirely accurate, but that's another discussion for a different thread). The constitution is very clear about this, as opposed to your above statement which holds no legal standing.

originally posted by: midicon
a reply to: DBCowboy

The state should change it's motto!

For what? It hasn't been an issue since 1868.

a reply to: Woodcarver

Yeah, proof of how sensitive people have gotten. It's only been there since 1868.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Irishhaf

Now we actually have people here saying we should not be a representative republic and states and the people in them can't choose what they want their motto to be.

you are purposefully conflating the argument. It doesn’t matter that the people voted for that to become the state motto, it should never have been one of the options. The only reason you are OK with it is that you identify as a Christian.

And people who don’t subscribe to any religion see the phrase in “God we trust”, On equal ground to “Allahu Akbar”

And the reason you don't agree with it is because you don't identify as a Christian.

a reply to: CrawlingChaos

Personifying a chosen deity is pretty common practice. With that in mind, they do tend to take on genders. So, I would say that god and goddess are not interchangeable. But that's a point we could discuss forever in another topic I'm not insulted at all, because if I were to take it as an insult, I'd be pissed off all day, every day lol

I was just trying to make the point that no matter how it's framed, there's going to be an opposing view. You cater to one, you must cater to all. It's just easier for them to leave it out of the school and let them find their own spiritual path. (or not one at all, as the case may be)

originally posted by: Thirty6BelowZero

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Irishhaf

Now we actually have people here saying we should not be a representative republic and states and the people in them can't choose what they want their motto to be.

you are purposefully conflating the argument. It doesn’t matter that the people voted for that to become the state motto, it should never have been one of the options. The only reason you are OK with it is that you identify as a Christian.

And people who don’t subscribe to any religion see the phrase in “God we trust”, On equal ground to “Allahu Akbar”

And the reason you don't agree with it is because you don't identify as a Christian.

Why does that matter? Unless you are suggesting that Christian opinions get more priority than other religious opinions or something. You know that the 1st Amendment is very clear on these matters. Just because Florida has always spit in the eye of the 1st with this motto doesn't make it ok to keep out of tradition.

a reply to: wylekat

Some religions are protected by law and some are not.
People should be cautious of the one's protected by
law.

originally posted by: XAnarchistX
Come on you "constitutionalists" let's see the protest and boycotts, Separation of church and state!

There will not be opposition from the right. They're all a bunch of dirty Dominionists at heart as it is.

If no one's heard of Dominionism, well...feel free to look it up, and start sharpening your torture implements and pikes. They're the Christian equivalent of Sharia loyalists, which should deeply -- very deeply -- offended anyone with 2 brain cells to rub together.

Especially those who proclaim to be adamantly against Sharia in the first place.

They are the same religious control concept. If you wouldn't live under one, why would you live under the other? No excuses, biblical law is just as ass-backwards & unforgiving when taken at face value.