Florida House Bill Requires "In God We Trust" Displayed In All Public Schools

a reply to: DBCowboy

Of course, they think they know better than the millions of people in the state.

We are so lucky to have these paragons of thinking here to tell us what to think, what to do, and how to live, without them how would we ever survive!

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: wylekat

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: NarcolepticBuddha

originally posted by: Woodcarver
a reply to: ScatteredThirdAngel

Yea, ok. Just as soon as they prove their version of some god actually exists.

Otherwise fire them all and prohibit them from filling any gov or state position for the rest of their lives.

Just pretend 'they' worship money. It's still printed on money, isn't it? Coincidence?

Anyways, they're just words. Let people cheerlead their words if they want, it never hurt you or me none.

Perhaps you don’t understand the need to separate church from state? Or the reasons why we do not pander to those who believe in Gods?

As I said, it's just words. No one forcing anyone to attend church or announce their beliefs.

YET.

This will only happen when the one world religion is FORCED on the world.

That’s just another nonsensical biblical prophecy. How about we teach our children to be scientifically literate instead of superstitious.

a reply to: Woodcarver

No, actually it doesn't.

a reply to: Irishhaf

There are times when I just want to say, " Show me on the doll where the words hurt you".

originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Woodcarver

So you are telling people in another state that they don't have the freedom to choose their own state motto.

No, I’m saying the first amendment literally prohibits that phrase from being affiliated with any state sponsorship. The only reason it got approved to be on our current sea, is that our currency is not made by our government, which is another thing that goes against the Constitution.

The First... prohibits a phrase...might want to rethink that statement.

Do you see what you did there? You stopped quoting me right in the middle of a sentence. The sentence reads

the first amendment literally prohibits that phrase from being affiliated with any state sponsorship.

See? There were more words in that sentence.

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Irishhaf

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Woodcarver

So you are telling people in another state that they don't have the freedom to choose their own state motto.

No, I’m saying the first amendment literally prohibits that phrase from being affiliated with any state sponsorship. The only reason it got approved to be on our current sea, is that our currency is not made by our government, which is another thing that goes against the Constitution.

The First... prohibits a phrase...might want to rethink that statement.

Do you see what you did there? You stoped quoting me right in the middle of a sentence. The sentence reads [qoute]the first amendment literally prohibits that phrase from being affiliated with any state sponsorship.

No... It literally prohibits a specific religion from being affiliated with State Sponsorship.

Kinda torn on this. First off, who cares? Kids will figure out the god thing on their own eventually. But secondly the state advertising god is not kosher. So......

originally posted by: intrepid
Kinda torn on this. First off, who cares? Kids will figure out the god thing on their own eventually. But secondly the state advertising god is not kosher. So......

Jesus was Jewish so actually it is kosher.


Just sayin'

a reply to: Woodcarver

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Nope still dont see it, what law was created endorsing a religion?

Was it stupid to do this, yea because Florida has a bucket load of problems that need to be addressed so wasting time on something that is going to be challenged in courts immediately was a stupid publicity stunt.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Woodcarver

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Nope still dont see it, what law was created endorsing a religion?

Was it stupid to do this, yea because Florida has a bucket load of problems that need to be addressed so wasting time on something that is going to be challenged in courts immediately was a stupid publicity stunt.

Heh, no argument there.

so what about parents who don’t believe in deities and don’t want their children to be influenced by a public school that writes in God we trust on the walls? You all seem to be missing the point. And does anybody really think that this phrase is in reference to any other Deity than the alleged Christian God? Would you be just as supportive of a school in Washington DC that chooses to write allahu akbar on the walls?

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: intrepid
Kinda torn on this. First off, who cares? Kids will figure out the god thing on their own eventually. But secondly the state advertising god is not kosher. So......

Jesus was Jewish so actually it is kosher.


Just sayin'

You're saying Jesus is god? Loads of people would disagree with that. Including a helluva lot of Christians.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: Woodcarver

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Nope still dont see it, what law was created endorsing a religion?

Was it stupid to do this, yea because Florida has a bucket load of problems that need to be addressed so wasting time on something that is going to be challenged in courts immediately was a stupid publicity stunt.

Did the state mandate that the phrase be written on the walls of the schools or not?

a reply to: Plotus

Those of us that aren't religious don't fear a God's wrath that can't be bothered to stop kids from being killed, or can't even be bothered to stop someone from walking into it's houses of worship and killing those inside.

I think it would be more prudent to prove the existence of your god before you try forcing the rest of us to be subjected to it. Some of us in this world aren't foolish enough to keep playing make believe, nor do we want to be forced to see it or hear about it all the time.

a reply to: Woodcarver


I don't intend to be snarky (though it will read that way). If you don't want a public school influencing your children, then don't send them to a Public School. They will be influenced in all manners of ways, on all manner of subjects. But that's not really the point is it ? The point is you want a state mandated hostility towards religion, and citing the Constitution as basis for that ; But you're wrong about it's concept off the start.

does anybody really think that this phrase is in reference to any other Deity than the alleged Christian God?

Even people who don't believe in God, are well aware there are more than just the Christian religion and that the word it'self is a generic placeholder. If it said in Allah we Trust, that would be a violation. JUST as stating in Yaweh we Trust, or Vishnu we trust, etc. would be violations of endorsing or supporting one over the other.

Would you be just as supportive of a school in Washington DC that chooses to write allahu akbar on the walls?

Technically if it was English, stating God is Great (again as a generic placeholder) that would not be a violation. Although the name Allah is most certainly specific. Atleast, as I understand the name Allah.

a reply to: Woodcarver


Be patient,the world is falling apart quickly enough now.In just
a small time frame all will know what has been foretold will come
crashing down around us...The One World Religion,The New World
Order and The One World Government.Trust me,we are all in for a
very bumpy ride.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: intrepid
Kinda torn on this. First off, who cares? Kids will figure out the god thing on their own eventually. But secondly the state advertising god is not kosher. So......

Jesus was Jewish so actually it is kosher.


Just sayin'

You're saying Jesus is god? Loads of people would disagree with that. Including a helluva lot of Christians.

Wrong,Yeshua/Jesus was God in flesh!

originally posted by: CrawlingChaos
a reply to: Woodcarver


I don't intend to be snarky (though it will read that way). If you don't want a public school influencing your children, then don't send them to a Public School. They will be influenced in all manners of ways, on all manner of subjects. But that's not really the point is it ? The point is you want a state mandated hostility towards religion, and citing the Constitution as basis for that ; But you're wrong about it's concept off the start.

does anybody really think that this phrase is in reference to any other Deity than the alleged Christian God?

Even people who don't believe in God, are well aware there are more than just the Christian religion and that the word it'self is a generic placeholder. If it said in Allah we Trust, that would be a violation. JUST as stating in Yaweh we Trust, or Vishnu we trust, etc. would be violations of endorsing or supporting one over the other.

Would you be just as supportive of a school in Washington DC that chooses to write allahu akbar on the walls?

Technically if it was English, stating God is Great (again as a generic placeholder) that would not be a violation. Although the name Allah is most certainly specific. Atleast, as I understand the name Allah.

Allah literally means God.

This is why religion has no place in schools.

You proved my point, though.

"In God we trust," is cool but "In God (Allah) we trust," isn't cool.

Why not teach children to be passionate about science rather than conning folks in a church?

originally posted by: mamabeth

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: intrepid
Kinda torn on this. First off, who cares? Kids will figure out the god thing on their own eventually. But secondly the state advertising god is not kosher. So......

Jesus was Jewish so actually it is kosher.


Just sayin'

You're saying Jesus is god? Loads of people would disagree with that. Including a helluva lot of Christians.

Wrong,Yeshua/Jesus was God in flesh!

According to your faith. Many Christians don't believe that. Other faiths even less so. Atheists not at all. See the problem with the state dictating religion?

It's all a matter of 'Faith'.... no one will force you into any belief. But you will hear about it and see it as long as man exists. Just the way it is. It is part of the human condition, history and culture since the beginning of man.

a reply to: Simon_Boudreaux