Let's Have A Nuts And Bolts UFO Discussion

a reply to: muzj03

It's pretty much a given that there is inventory in the arsenal that can "mimic" anti gravity flight characteristics that would explain away alot of sightings potentially.

As for the rest, I belive the answers lie at the quantum level and upwards. Not alien as such.... Look at the slit experiment where particles only change when being observed and maybe who is observing

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a reply to: BASSPLYR

Hey guys, I wanted to give this thread a nudge and add some thoughts, so I thought I'd write a reply to all of you, try and pick the conversation back up. ARV's were being discussed, I thought I'd post some thoughts on it.

magickJimi, I'm not up enough on my electrical to effectively model the mechanisms that would make such a craft fly, and with all the math, but I think in terms of what you might imagine as a designer casting about to harness novel propulsion concepts, this would be a common goal to which many would aspire. That, using some collection of emf channeling equipment, you could achieve the repellent magnetic effect between your craft and the earth.

You don't have to play with too many magnets on a tabletop to make that leap to dreaming about such a thing. It's not that much of a stretch to me then, to believe that somebody has probably figured it out by now. How are they doing it exactly? I dunno. Would anybody who had the resources will and mandate to figure this kind of stuff out want to develop this kind of concept? Probably about at the top of the list of exotic concepts to dream up.

I know my speculation doesn't really prove anything, really just a long way of saying that it seems like a fairly logical and plausible concept to have been pursued. Wouldn't surprise me all that much if we had something like that tucked away somewhere in some secret hangar.

I wouldn't know whether Bassey's descriptions are accurate or feasible or not, though it is interesting to ponder. What do you think? How do you think it flies, or do you think it's just a fish tale or elaborate hoax?

a reply to: muzj03
I thought your bell theories were intriguing and quite possible, the knowledge gap you referenced there does make one wonder. I'd also tend to agree with your supposition that something's been done if possible with Brown Effect technology and mechanical magnetic arrays. They are IMO classic design dreams that a would be designer would naturally gravitate toward, so seems likely if there's paydirt there someone has found at least some of it. I've pondered similar concepts in my daydreams on it...

a reply to: TheBadCabbie
Did Bob Lazar say the sport model was manufactured like a bar of soap, all in one piece?

Or was Bob just talking about the inside, it being smooth everywhere?

Even if only inside, this seems like a mold which could be replicated easily to make mass quantities of saucer interiors. Just change the outer limits of the mold size to fit into a pre-built exterior craft. This way you have a one-piece interior, possibly very light weight, that you could just plug and play.

a reply to: Kandinsky

I've personally always felt that these vehicles (technically accurate term regardless of nature/purpose) were alive in the broadest of definitions but were often attempting to appear mechanical for the observer's benefit.
Likewise with the physics-defying maneuvers and speed - mere displays, tho to what end I can but guess. However, I'm in complete agreement with the premise that there exists in these awe-inspiring displays (as well as most other human interaction) a considerable amount of manipulation if not outright deception.
And, if there is any form of deception in communication, then I can't help but view all aspects of the phenomenon with a great degree of scepticism. Cynical, I know, but such is the nature life has bestowed this beast.

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
a reply to: TheBadCabbie
Did Bob Lazar say the sport model was manufactured like a bar of soap, all in one piece?

I have read other accounts that say the ships are actually grown like a organism (or a crystal) and that they're linked to the pilots via some synergistic interface that's like ESP. All one intermeshed system.

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
a reply to: TheBadCabbie
Did Bob Lazar say the sport model was manufactured like a bar of soap, all in one piece?

I have read other accounts that say the ships are actually grown like a organism (or a crystal) and that they're linked to the pilots via some synergistic interface that's like ESP. All one intermeshed system.

Sounds like the Leviathans from the Jim Henson science fiction series "farscape." The pilots were telepathically linked to their organic ships.
Always thought that was a very cool concept. I don't see any reason that it's not possible.

Gives a new meaning to "becoming one with your craft" that we pilot types hear so often.

a reply to: pigsy2400

As a longtime lurker hereabouts I must say that you, Pigsy, have quite the gift for presenting extraordinary concepts in a remarkably sparse manner. I often find myself, days after piqued by such a post, engaged in both deep contemplation and envy - in shameful ratios, I might add.
The theme of mimicry is one that I see as inextricably entwining all facets of this phenomenon, a part as indelible to the whole as the eponymous medium that so often serves as its stage. But, to what end? Why the oft blatant deception and flagrant, unmistakable manipulation? Is it indicative of a sinister agenda or merely communication rendered convoluted by the developmental gap of our respective species?
Questions begetting questions feeding questions and on and on it goes.... or maybe that's the point? A vetting of sorts to to pluck the weeds of simpler minds such as mine.
Well pluck me then.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Have you researched this much?

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originally posted by: spiritualarchitect
a reply to: TheBadCabbie
Did Bob Lazar say the sport model was manufactured like a bar of soap, all in one piece?

Or was Bob just talking about the inside, it being smooth everywhere?

Even if only inside, this seems like a mold which could be replicated easily to make mass quantities of saucer interiors. Just change the outer limits of the mold size to fit into a pre-built exterior craft. This way you have a one-piece interior, possibly very light weight, that you could just plug and play.

Lazar said the interior of the craft had no visible seams or right angles as if it had been molded from wax.

a reply to: TheBadCabbie

I suspect the conversation has largely dropped off across the site due to some of us feeling like we genuinely have some of the pieces and that it's relatively irresponsible for us to continue speculating about it on a public forum, regardless of how off base our ideas actually are.

I will go so far to say that digging a hole in the quantum vacuum might just get you more bang for your buck than anything to do with arranging magnets. The Meissner effect and the spontaneous generation of a magnetic field that occurs when you cool a rotating conductor into a super conducting state/how that relates to the vacuum surrounding said super conductor might be a more fruitful avenue for magnetic thought experiments though... Hard to say...

originally posted by: framedragged
a reply to: TheBadCabbie

I suspect the conversation has largely dropped off across the site due to some of us feeling like we genuinely have some of the pieces and that it's relatively irresponsible for us to continue speculating about it on a public forum, regardless of how off base our ideas actually are.

Objective achieved?
Anybody who can be bothered to follow a hidden trail of breadcrumbs is silenced by the enormity of the implications.

The beauty of the "Sekret Knoweldge" is that unless you want to sit down and work through some incredibly none - intuitive math - you've basically got Corey Goode level content.

Must admit though - a possible version of Eternal Father with an added space centric verse seems a lot more realistic given recent developments lol.

Note that mass UFO sightings began after the first A-bomb tests and more-or-less ended in the early 1980s with the worldwide moratorium on nuclear tests. I always felt that there was a link between UFOs and Nukes. And not necessarily an ET one. Perhaps the nuke tests are briefly releasing Plasmoids (www.stealthskater.com... ). Could an unknown nuclear reaction be releasing dark matter-energy which would interact with the atmosphere to produce these sightings?

Another Ben Rich comment was that "to understand UFOs, you have to know ESP". Does this mean that these things are more "lucid" (as in lucid dreaming) than actual physical craft? Or could something physical transform itself through quantum magic into something metaphysical (e.g., the Incunabula Egg)? So-called radar tapes (which I've never seen if they do in fact exist) would contradict this.

In the 1990s, UNITEL NW, Inc. was created from two up-close "demonstration" sightings of a teardrop-shaped UFO and a cigar-shaped mothership with the teardrops orbiting around it. According to the two eyewitnesses (a mechanical engineer and a physicist), the mode-of-operation was a so-called quantum laser lens that projected a mini-blackhole in front of the craft to enable flight. To travel in space was more akin to Macroscopic quantum tunneling/entanglement. (Both of these sound like Lazar's description. UNITEL obviously beleived in a nuts'n'bolts craft.) UNITEL's fascinating story is archived at www.stealthskater.com... .

In his NBC Dateline interview, Corso said that he saw another UFO (in addition to the Roswell wreckage) which was half-materialized into a rock (the Montauk Project). He said that this one was a "time machine" (www.stealthskater.com... ). The 1-hour program ended at that. The German rocket scientist Hermann Oberth was alleged to have stated that the Roswell craft behaved more like a time machine than a navigational craft (Dr. Who's Tardis??).

Interesting speculations which expands one's imagination. I'm always reminded of the quote: "Nothing is impossible; only mathematically improbable"

a reply to: ChayOphan

Have you read any of Jacque Vallee literature? If not I recommend it.

originally posted by: stealthskater
In his NBC Dateline interview, Corso said that he saw another UFO (in addition to the Roswell wreckage) which was half-materialized into a rock (the Montauk Project). He said that this one was a "time machine" (www.stealthskater.com... ). The 1-hour program ended at that. The German rocket scientist Hermann Oberth was alleged to have stated that the Roswell craft behaved more like a time machine than a navigational craft (Dr. Who's Tardis??).

Phil Corso, Jr. gave a few lectures a while back talking about the research and editing that was done on Phil Sr.'s book, and it was full of fascinating concepts. While the book as published tends to play more into the "aliens from space" angle, Corso Jr. was pretty clear that according to his dad's notes the machine at Roswell was definitely a time machine sent back from a possible future to move our technology forward faster than it would have ordinarily progressed for some unknown reason. And it worked. While there had been some preliminary development of such things as lasers and transistors, the gift ship really pushed it ahead much faster.

While I like the story, I also think a simpler and more likely explanation for the whole Roswell thing was that Werner Von Braun and his Paperclip boys were doing some off-the-books rocket flights at White Sands loaded with human bodies of some kind to test the effects high g's at launch would have on them. One went completely off course and they lost it, only to be found by a rancher. That's why we still can't get the real skinny on it. Even now it would be very bad press for NASA to admit that when they were first starting Nazis used to shoot corpses (hopefully not live humans, like prison volunteers) up into the air to see what would happen to them.

If it was time travelers, I guess it's nice that we have all this cool technology for when the comet or the aliens approach, but I also get the feeling that for everything good that came from it they also really screwed a lot up in the process. Mandela Effect and all.

It's entertaining:

originally posted by: framedragged
a reply to: TheBadCabbie

I suspect the conversation has largely dropped off across the site due to some of us feeling like we genuinely have some of the pieces and that it's relatively irresponsible for us to continue speculating about it on a public forum, regardless of how off base our ideas actually are.

I will go so far to say that digging a hole in the quantum vacuum might just get you more bang for your buck than anything to do with arranging magnets. The Meissner effect and the spontaneous generation of a magnetic field that occurs when you cool a rotating conductor into a super conducting state/how that relates to the vacuum surrounding said super conductor might be a more fruitful avenue for magnetic thought experiments though... Hard to say...

Your comment is the very thing Lazar said was the main issue while he purportedly worked at S-4. That the stifling control of the information was an actual Achilles Heel to their advancement because it needed to be open to broad range of scientists.

Ironic you should think this way.

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Oh, absolutely. I've fairly consumed anything postulated by Vallee. Regardless of where one stands regarding his methodology or conclusions he will definitely challenge any preconceptions and provoke thought.
Personally, when studying anything of a paranormal nature - not just the UFO/AP phenomenon - I find myself, almost subconsciously, viewing the material through Vallee derived filters. This process almost always yields interesting and often unexpected results.

a reply to: 1point92AU

I posted a more in depth set of questions, but you know what? Nevermind.

Do you think posting the instructions to make a nuclear bomb is ok? Or is that acceptable information to control?

a reply to: framedragged

making a simple Japan style bomb isnt that hard

its getting the massive industrial base and scientific and material science knowledge not to mention avoiding getting bombed into the stone age.

a reply to: penroc3

That's missing the point I'm trying to make and I'm not going to use a more specific example.

Some information is trivially dangerous to disseminate and doesn't require an industriallized nation-state to take advantage of it.

originally posted by: majickJimi

Seriously, I do think you have two devices here that cannot do what you think; mostly because they are far to large structurally speaking. But hey, that's just an old engineer's opinion. (I'd really love for y'all to show a real, logical, 3D design for this thing. Along with all the appropriate math. But, I suppose that's asking too much).

There is NO proof that any of these things ~ saucers, cigars, triangles, tic tacs and the like ~ are man-made. Just government lies and people looking for excuses to not face the fact that their is an alien presence on planet Earth.