Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I am in 100% agreement with your statements.

In my own field, which is not UFOlogy at all, but mythology/yoga/shamanism/metaphysics,
one of the first things you deal with is self-delusion and misperception.. and in fact you
never stop dealing with it, as the brain is a virtual reality generator of inputs from the
physical world.

After many years it becomes obvious, that 95% of what you think is happening is just
the way the brain works.

Just like in UFOlogy it's that "other 5%" that interests me.

Kev

originally posted by: Guest101

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: mirageman

Some time imagination, faith, and intuition can help along with reason and logic.

But most of the times it does not. A strong believe in imagination, faith, and intuition kept us in the dark ages for centuries.

To find the truth you must study the DATA and resist jumping to conclusions.

If you didn’t have imagination, faith, and intuition then you couldn’t draw any logical conclusions based on data.

Only a computer can and were not computers.

Its the above attributes that brought you to the subject!

a reply to: vinifalou

Agreed!



I happen to think that the big answer to most weird things, is that humans
are part of the unconscious mind of a larger being..

that only when we irritate it or amuse it, do we "get a rise out of it" and
then get a "real-ish UFO" or a "leprechaun" sighting or whatever.

But that's also a "invisible pink unicorn theory" as an atheist would say..
so it's going to take some doing to ever prove that theory outright.

Kev

a reply to: Arbitrageur

from the article:

"We would talk about the myths and legends surrounding our "haunted" Launch Facility, A-05, but UFOs weren't in our lexicon."

There you go. If there was anything spooky that happened there, it wasn't "UFO's"
it was "spookiness" (the Phenomenon).

Now there's not enough evidence for that being the answer either.. but it's fun
that the answer may have been right in the article you linked.

TY

TTSA dropped another video, and here's Mellon in WAPO doing the 'fund UFO research' dance. I wonder if Bigelow is paying for these articles - the sympathetic media stuff I don't really get...

Weird.

Defense Department officials who analyze the relevant intelligence confirm more than a dozen such incidents off the East Coast alone since 2015.

He also works the Oregon thing in...

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: vinifalou

Agreed!



I happen to think that the big answer to most weird things, is that humans
are part of the unconscious mind of a larger being..

that only when we irritate it or amuse it, do we "get a rise out of it" and
then get a "real-ish UFO" or a "leprechaun" sighting or whatever.

But that's also a "invisible pink unicorn theory" as an atheist would say..
so it's going to take some doing to ever prove that theory outright.

Kev

You’re getting close…!


It is like as if humans ended up in somebody’s oven as charcoal

originally posted by: 1ofthe9
TTSA dropped another video, and here's Mellon in WAPO doing the 'fund UFO research' dance. I wonder if Bigelow is paying for these articles - the sympathetic media stuff I don't really get...

Weird.

Defense Department officials who analyze the relevant intelligence confirm more than a dozen such incidents off the East Coast alone since 2015.

He also works the Oregon thing in...

Good find

The same questions about angles, and the aircraft turning are being raised. It could be a balloon.

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: vinifalou

Agreed!



I happen to think that the big answer to most weird things, is that humans
are part of the unconscious mind of a larger being..

that only when we irritate it or amuse it, do we "get a rise out of it" and
then get a "real-ish UFO" or a "leprechaun" sighting or whatever.

But that's also a "invisible pink unicorn theory" as an atheist would say..
so it's going to take some doing to ever prove that theory outright.

Kev

You’re getting close…!


It is like as if humans ended up in somebody’s oven as charcoal

Energy vampires feeding off fear and other wounds perhaps

originally posted by: 1ofthe9
The same questions about angles, and the aircraft turning are being raised. It could be a balloon.

that is one fast balloon.

Any theories on just how fast it is moving?

originally posted by: Harpua

originally posted by: 1ofthe9
The same questions about angles, and the aircraft turning are being raised. It could be a balloon.

that is one fast balloon.

Any theories on just how fast it is moving?

Haven't seen anyone work it out yet. Or if its actually moving.

I'm real curious how these articles make it out. I strongly suspect this is pay for play; and its deeply amusing to me to see these outlets rage against 'fake news' and yet put this on the front page...

edit:

The first video captures multiple pilots observing and discussing a strange, hovering, egg-shaped craft, apparently one of a “fleet” of such objects, according to cockpit audio.

why don't we have any information about GIMBAL? the way he phrases this makes it sound like they don't know anymore then we do.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

"Haven't seen anyone work it out yet. Or if its actually moving. "

Mick West on Metabunk suggests that the object is slow-moving, like a bird or balloon, and the illusion of motion against the ocean is created by the aircraft's motion.

"So assuming those numbers are more or less accurate then it's an object that's around 12,000 feet in altitude, viewed from a jet at 25,000 feet. Basically it's half way between the jet and the ocean surface. Hence the perceived motion of the object against the ocean surface, even if it were moving very slowly, would be the same as the speed of the jet itself. This is hugely magnified by the high zoom (NAR, or around 1.5° FOV)."

Can the Pentagon's analysts really be as clueless as this suggests?

www.metabunk.org...

originally posted by: RobertSheaffer
a reply to: 1ofthe9

Can the Pentagon's analysts really be as clueless as this suggests?

Personally, I find this pretty worrying. I'm at a loss as to why the media is going along with this. The counterintelligence argument is less freaky then the 'elements of the government are in fact totally detached from reality' one.

With such a slow trickle of releases and little to no context as to the exact details of the situations occurring, these are getting boring and just making me go ”Meh”. If this is some form of “disclosure” they better hurry the hell up or nobody is going to care anymore.

originally posted by: johnthejedi24
With such a slow trickle of releases and little to no context as to the exact details of the situations occurring, these are getting boring and just making me go ”Meh”. If this is some form of “disclosure” they better hurry the hell up or nobody is going to care anymore.

The comments on the Wapo article are pretty removed from what they were pulling on the NYT one - pretty hostile crowd. I have noticed an uptick in sightings reported in the media up here, and I wonder if it's a side effect from the media coverage from this song and dance.

Has anyone had anyone bring this up outside of our crowd? I seriously wonder just how much public attention this is getting, because I haven't heard anything outside the internet.

edit: just a thought - the wapo article was talking about information from satellites like AATIP didn't have access to SBIRS/NORAD...interesting.

originally posted by: johnthejedi24
With such a slow trickle of releases and little to no context as to the exact details of the situations occurring, these are getting boring and just making me go ”Meh”. If this is some form of “disclosure” they better hurry the hell up or nobody is going to care anymore.

They're trying to look technological. You know UAP rather than UFO, the phenomenon rather than alien.

They all sat down in a room and decided to all (the TTSA team) use these new terms for some reason or another.

originally posted by: RobertSheaffer
Can the Pentagon's analysts really be as clueless as this suggests?

The pilots are certainly susceptible to the illusion and might get excited about it, but I expect they have analysts who can figure out what Mick West figured out.

Take for example the "Gimbal" video. Just the fact that it was named "Gimbal" tells me whoever named the video was not completely clueless, as the name implies the explanation Mick West demonstrated involving the gimbal.

I don't even pretend to understand the agenda of the intelligence community, but they always seem to have an agenda and given their involvement in this project, I suspect releasing these videos may be seen by them as somehow furthering their objectives, whatever they may be. Apparently that includes not publicly disclosing what their analysts really found, maybe except by hints such as in the "Gimbal" name of the gimbal video.

I have to say, Delonge and friends have plenty of followers outside ATS. The ones on reddit are...rabid. Quite something to watch.

a reply to: 1ofthe9

I check out the reddit ufo page from time to time and mostly found their critique just as scathing as this site, with perhaps a little less background/mistrust of the IC/aviary crew, though that existed there as well.

originally posted by: Harpua
a reply to: 1ofthe9

I check out the reddit ufo page from time to time and mostly found their critique just as scathing as this site, with perhaps a little less background/mistrust of the IC/aviary crew, though that existed there as well.

Actually, looking at their current threads on the topic and I take back what I said... lots of people considering this a fairly legit piece of disclosure. Bummer... hahahaha

Anyhow: I think the missing trillions of dollars that fell in to the DOD black *coughbudgetcough* hole have been used to build a fleet of "UFOs" that will be used in a false flag attack in the near future, maybe 1 to 4 years from now. The release of these videos will simply be used to say, I told you so! Then they can increase military spending from 417 quadzillion to something more in line with fighting aliens while we "vote" to create a one world government where we all have to get QR codes and microchips so the World Police don't mistake us for the shapeshifting aliens who have come to planet earth to harvest cow organs and read our minds.