Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: ctj83

Ya know the closing down of TTSA speech I wrote for Zondo a few pages back, I might tweet it to him.

I'm sure they will announce that the announcement has been pushed back and there will be an announcement to announce when it will be announced.

Well we got "who knows who took my clothes" out of all of this....That's disclothe-ure right?

Oh and Zondo got Miragemans Primark gift card for a new shirt...

I don't know that Grant said the whole TTSA thing had been scrapped, just that the March announcement was postponed indefinitely.

It does seem like TTSA is falling apart. A year later and no app, no forum, no documentary, no nothing.

Grant has also hedged on releasing his document that he claims is the most significant UFO document he has ever seen. Now he says he might put it into a trust to be released after he dies. He says it would prove they knew all along and that certain trusted people were in on it the whole time.

First of all, how can any document really be the smoking gun. He says this is the transcript of a conversation or interview. How would that be verifiable in any way.

a reply to: coursecatalog

Grant sounds like he has lost the plot.

a reply to: pigsy2400

I hope you ran this speech you wrote through George Knapp first. He likes to announce these finds before anyone else on his radio show in a very smug way. Like he hasn't been aboard the TTSA bus before they added the A to it!

Failing that Chris Mellon will make sure it's safe as he has one of the most high rates of encryption available to secure data on the web. Only broken by a 'fascinating' Twitterer so far.

And I got Oxfam to help Zondo out during those dark days of clothing poverty, missing time and gas station depression if you recall?

TTSA to close down?

Maybe just a rumor, Grant Cameron should start writing a gossip column.



But if it is closing…It seems to me it never opened up. They’ve literally done absolutely nothing.
No papers, no events, NOTHING. Just a few articles on that site and blog and those flimsy videos and that nonsense about Adam.


And if so….What about the money invested by people?

It makes Trump University seem honest


You wonder what was the meaning of it all in the minds of the people who started it.

What happened to TDL? Has he been kidnapped by aliens? They should keep him, take him and Zondo to the planet Serpo!

a reply to: pigsy2400

Very few are willing to tackle this issue or talk about.

Fundamentally, I think it comes down to a parting of the ways. Either Camerons comments are false and intended to disrupt TTSA, or he is correct.

I think now is the time to see who 'traded up' and became, effectively, an embedded journalist and sacrificed objectivity, and those who can speak about the more puzzling aspects of TTSA. I can well understand why those who may have signed on the dotted line would have done, and it's no conspiracy, they wanted to get the information first. Now they can't talk about any cracks that appear.

Credit has to go to Joe Murgia for tackling this issue head on. One of the few who has.

It's important because it either means TTSA isn't announcing anything beyond a TV series, and the people who could report this aren't willing to. Or it means, as I suggested a few weeks back, the 'consensus' is breaking apart:

- Grant / Pandolphi (and the Kiviat Law suit) - Conciousness and portals. MJ12 was real.
- Nolan / Green / Vallee / Cosmic Club: The "others" / Pierre Teilhard de Chardin. Sierra Crash site.
- TTSA: Greek Gods and Insects in the earth. No ufos captured but Davis says Roswell craft is captured?

They likely don't all believe in the same things. My interpretations are likely way off the mark. Still, they don't all agree and I can't help but wonder if they are all battling for first.

Personally, my bet, if there is ANY truth to this, is that the Cosmic Club is closest to the truth.

Let's be clear where all this speculation comes from instead. Sight your sauces as we say in McDonalds.



Grant Cameron interview 24 Jan2019

Also a summary here

Here's some of the things he claimed.........(are they true though?)

• On the topic of who's releasing the videos, Grant believes it's someone like Ron Pandolfi, "or someone in that area." The material is cleared through the DIA first....
  
  
• Grant doesn't believe that Delonge is in control at all
  
  
• it's a gradual disclosure plan; the information is not being delivered up front, it's first being presented in a vague and open-ended manner with some unbelievable lies so that no one can get the truth, and worse than it really is so the public can later be reassured.
  
  
• Joe Firmage, tech millionaire and contactee who quit his job to create a company that studies UFOs and propulsion technologies, eerily similar to TTSA. Firmage's propulsion tech is a contraption that can lift 1 inch off the table... originally from the black world, it's a sign that we're not very far along.
  
  
• TTSA has been pushing things back. First it was January, then February, then March. Then Melinda Leslie talked to Jim Semivan who told her "No, it's called off. Nothing's going to happen." Right now, TTSA is getting a lot of bad press for this
  
  
• George Knapp is "bought?" Grant says that George has known about things like AATIP and Skinwalker Ranch for a long time, but didn't release anything for years in order to comply with his sources' wishes.
  
  
• Grant... looks at people like George Knapp, Eric Davis, Jeremy Corbell to get clues about what's going on.[Probably reads ATS too
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• UFO researchers right now need to understand that...All the information is ready to be released, but everyone is making deals and agreeing to keep things secret
  
  
• Grant explains that he's put everything he has in the Disclosure Trust, run by Michael Hall. He says he made some mistakes and was compromised several times in his career, he's accepted information he wasn't allowed to share. He says he put all the material he can't release in the Disclosure Trust, and it'll all be released when he dies.
  
  
• [Host] "do you have what you believe is the smoking gun?" and Grant responds "I'm gonna release it, yeah. Couple months."
  
  
• Says to watch Diana Pasulka coming out with information about Tyler and who he is. [we already know!!!]
  
  
• Nimitz conference due take place in Laughlin, with witnesses from the 2015 event on the East Coast as well
  
  
• Grant has a document that !verifies MJ12, it verifies that we've got crash material, and it's more about the people who are involved. These are not ordinary people. It just shows that some people (who people will know) have known all along."
  

Grant also mentions stuff that will be released once he's gone because even he was compromised by NDAs. This document though??? Hmmm MJ12? How did he obtain it? Has he asked for a second, third or fourth opinion?

I hope so. The Hitler Diaries story comes to mind here.

a reply to: mirageman

I've stated before, I really like GC, don't get me wrong, I'm well aware he's as mad as a box of frogs and could rap battle with the best in terms of his words per minute. But he still says interesting things from time to time, if you leave certain aspects alone.

"Grant believes that the main thing that may be holding back Disclosure is actually not the government; it's the UFO community. It's so easy to get caught up in a confidentiality deal where you accept information but get sworn to secrecy. He believes if everyone in the UFO community released what they have, "it'd be over.""

It's interesting to see that he has mentioned or inferred to NDA's etc, as GC has always been one to state that he wouldnt want to know anything secret if he knew he couldnt talk about it, this is a point that he has made clear in many many interviews over the years that I have heard. To hear him contradict himself in such when he has been so adamant so often is an interesting development and doesnt do his credibility any good from my perspective.

I could ask some of my clients through my employmer to sign an NDA and that NDA is based on the secret that "I am a secret vegan" - I am not a vegan, just because someone trades your silence for information, doesn't give that information more credibility. I would go against the usual logic and state that I believe it gives the information less credibility.

Why?
Because you probably cant verify it, you are probably not allowed to investigate; sources of the information or methods of how the information was obtained or verify that information with anyone else as that could break the NDA.

As for the MJ-12 document, just release it! Why do people have to take the long high road with this stuff. It damages credibility, if there was much in the first instance. If its that important... then just put it out there..

In regards to his comments about groups similar to Vallee's comments about "Invisible College" - there are a number of interpretations you could take that as and as to how it worded it. Similar to or the same as.... changes things and just leads to further speculations..

Clarity and Transparency don't apply to this field of interest at all....

a reply to: mirageman

All this keeps people dangling.

a reply to: pigsy2400

"Grant believes that the main thing that may be holding back Disclosure is actually not the government; it's the UFO community. It's so easy to get caught up in a confidentiality deal where you accept information but get sworn to secrecy. He believes if everyone in the UFO community released what they have, "it'd be over.""

Right. He has a point. It's obvious that certain people all agree to "trade up" in exchange for whatever it is they think they are obtaining and agree to remain silent.

The question is what does "the government" actually know?

Let's say it's Tom's assertion (the people and places vary whenever he tells the story) that "It was the Cold War and we found a lifeform".

So exactly where does the UFO community come into this?

Back in 1996 Bill Clinton told the world that we suspected we'd found "a lifeform" in a Martian Rock. He didn't go checking who in the UFO community knew what and why that would hold anything back that I am aware of.

So picking apart Grant's logic it means that there is nothing there for a government to disclose but a whole bunch of lies that were told to the messiahs of the ufo community.

It would be really interesting to see who'd played a part in that game.

I have no inside info about what Cameron is holding back (although I think he is an excellent researcher), but something did strike me as I listened to his last couple of podcast appearances - he seemed almost wistful talking about this document in light of his whole career.

Is it possible the document doesn't prove UFOs are real but rather proves (or seems to prove) the whole damn thing was a pack of lies (as MM hints above) ? Or at the very least a smokescreen for something else?

I do hope he clarifies all this soon enough.


eTA: And of course this raises all kinds of questions about why bother with this latest UFO push if that is the ultimate reveal?

a reply to: coursecatalog

They don't want us to know that in reality, we are a figment of someone else's imagination. Now that would be scary...

Aliens....who cares...?
That your reality doesn't exist...much scarier.

Maybe those with ancient eastern beliefs were right all along and it's only taken a few thousand years for the rest of the world to catchup and apply thier good old material technology to it.

Anyway...
As for the documents, well if they show who else knows the contents, then we can only assume that it's a government document with who it was distributed to. Even then proving the documents are genuine is a different story. We've been here before....just release them and will be will be

a reply to: pigsy2400

I guess in one interview Cameron said this document was an interview conducted by someone associated with TTSA with a high ranking intelligence official who everyone would know.

That can't be a long list of suspects.

a reply to: coursecatalog

He says it's not a government document, it's nothing like that, but it'll verify MJ12. His reaction when he saw the document was that he couldn't decide what to do with the information. He had an internal struggle because he spent his whole life trying to get to the bottom of the cover-up, but what he read made him think he should join the cover-up and withhold.

Compromised......?

I think that Grant summed it up himself, maybe without realising it;

He says he's never been given information by a whistleblower and he's never been threatened. According to him, when someone wants you dead, you don't get a warning. But according to Jim Semivan, they "don't do that stuff anymore;" they don't get rid of people, they manage them and push them in the direction they want.

a reply to: pigsy2400

This gets back to the line Ron Pandolfi tries to spin all the time - that there is a very disturbing aspect to the phenomenon that we may not want to really know or be prepared for.

Pandolfi - or whoever actually controls his account on the Dan Smith forum - even told me that directly in an exchange on the board last year.

Perhaps the truth really is so terrible that they have worked tirelessly for 70 years to cover it up.

Or, perhaps, these are just more lies to keep people chasing their own tails.

Grant, if you are reading this, release the damn document. Let us decide.

a reply to: coursecatalog

Awhile back, an ATSer posted a ‘dissertation’ on the phenomenon, suggesting something similar to Pandolfi — too scary, a grotesque mind-f$ck that cant be internalized. Gag me with a spoon.

We’ve had everything from ritualistic human sacrifice to mass genocide; humans have seen it all and will continue to do ‘scary’ things and carry on without batting an eye. Take the Chinese as an example. There is legit concern that the People’s Republic will accept a surveillance state if the trains are running on time...does the Chinese language really connote “People’s Republic” with the English equivalence??

At any rate, I’ve made my take on Cameron known and the whole idea of ‘hidden knowledge’ is a mythological trope eons old.

MM —

Awesome thread and looks to be running up against the 300 thread page limit so I hope you continue it. If nothing more than for the ‘I told ya so ‘ factor — “Allied Services to Motion Pictures” was the real MJ12

a reply to: ctj83

According to Grant Cameron, via Jim Semivan, TTSA is over. They’ve decided to scrap the upcoming information drop, that was due January, February then March.

source? i thought they would keep the scam going for a little longer...

a reply to: coursecatalog

so thats it? the end is near?

a reply to: Willtell

Maybe just a rumor, Grant Cameron should start writing a gossip column.

thats a good description of his youtube

a reply to: ctj83

there is only one ufologist that has ever got close to the truth. his name was john keel and sadly he died in 2009