Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

a reply to: coursecatalog

Words fail me..... Speechless....

a reply to: ctj83

but did he really believe in its existence or was he just taking a dig at the people that believe in such things?

a reply to: coursecatalog

hmmm, maybe those twitter guys are paid shills?

originally posted by: coursecatalog
a reply to: mirageman



Harry Reid may be a great guy but the only way we are going to get the actual truth about UFOs - the whole truth - is when we rip the hangar door off the hinges ourselves.

...And get your brains blown out! Whose giving this advice? And Harry Reid is not a great guy.

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: Willtell

its pretty obvious that all this disinformation nonsense is a collaboration between the military and the phenomena itself, the excuse that its to prevent the public from knowing secret special acess military projects is nonsense, they could do it in way less compicted ways if the later was true

I think though the nuance in that is the phenomena dominates this collusion, if you may.
The government knows nothing what the phenomena’s agenda is.

They're only told to not reveal to the public, that’s it.

a reply to: Willtell

exactly, the cosmic trickster isn't a slave

a reply to: coursecatalog

Harry Reid gave Bigelow, a powerful constituent of his (palm greasing) a bunch of cash (tens of millions ) to become a UFO High Priest. Look at the "UFO Secret Society" side show they created, the Vegan version of the new Masons. I don't see no report from a private citizen on anything from decades of 'research'. And now he wants more from Congress for investigations?
The remnants of all their work is a motel builder who is now sending Puffy Rooms into space via enormous Government contracts.

And, of course, they say investigators should trust the military is at least trying to do the right thing.

TDL said that very thing many times whilst teasing his upcoming "Disclosure" .

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Probably all of the TTSA hoopla and that publicity surrounding it was part of the scam getting Bigelow that 22 million

a reply to: humanoidlord

I think reading the book AlIntel, reading Forbidden Science 2 and , and discussions with Dr Green the answer is clear. Perhaps you know something I don’t though, but I suspect that you might be seeing it as an either or. It’s likely both. With the trickster using AlIntel. Of course this is before MJ12 and early 1980s. 1983 to be precise according to FB3.

And this was given to Bob Wise from Jacques and was for sale in November. Part of a failed movie on AlIntel. Instead we got Sliders.:

i am currently reading greg bishop's project beta and i have to say that many of the things richard doty and moore said was the work of the intel agencies, actually sounds more like the work of the cosmic trickster, its possible that the bennewitz affair was real paranormal activity combined with some minimal intel meddling (like the dulce base props) ?
we all know that doty is one of the least believable people in the ufological arena, its possible that he lied to both greg bishop and moore about the extent of the agency meddling?

another problem with that book, is that in the middle, it starts to "woo up" talking about stuff like Wilhelm Reich's orgone gun or electrogravitics and alleged military development of antigravity vehicles (this claim being sourced of course from doty), with the heavy implication that the author believed in all them

a reply to: humanoidlord

Interestingly there is a mention of a predator style invisible man distortion which Bennewitz films in his room. Doty and Moore were convinced it was a fake but were never able to prove how Bennewitz did it.

a reply to: ctj83

not to mention the orbs, also its doubtfull (despite doty's insistence) that the craft he filmed above the military base were man-made

a reply to: humanoidlord

Let me make one more comment.

Doty is the standard terrestrial trickster; he also did Serpo and deceived the well-meaning Linda Howell and other deceptions. Doty is bad news and a very evil individual in my book.

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: Willtell

exactly, the cosmic trickster isn't a slave

I used to think "Cosmic Trickster" was simply another term for "Sh# Happens".

It's certainly the only way to explain Vallee's hairdo here:

a reply to: Willtell

the only people i know in the ufology world who had a similar disregard to ethics were gray barker and his partner in crime jim moseley
these 3 are the biggest assholes to ever enter the ufological world, sadists that spreaded around hoaxes for fun and to cause chaos

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

its a tongue in cheek term i use to describe the mysterious paranormal entity behind fortean events

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Vallee is an interesting fellow. A great contributor to legitimate UFOlogy and one who has vast experience with it.


He, of course, takes no prisoners when it comes to the Lazars, Bill Coopers, Doty’s and the UFO cults and wants science to take over. Good luck with that.


Though I would guess by now he knows it’s a lost cause.

originally posted by: humanoidlord
a reply to: Willtell

the only people i know in the ufology world who had a similar disregard to ethics were gray barker and his partner in crime jim moseley
these 3 are the biggest assholes to ever enter the ufological world, sadists that spreaded around hoaxes for fun and to cause chaos

Never mind the agenda driven propaganda/disinfo spread by the intel community, because Mosely & Barker can just ruin UFOlogy for eternity with a typewriter.

Am I right?

/sarcasm

a reply to: zazzafrazz

Don't forget the details though, "apparently" before AAWSAP the DIA requested a visit to the ranch and left rather quickly when something odd happened.

It was supposedly a DIA program, there was eye witness testimony from a security guard called "chip" (not real name) that worked security on the ranch. He also mentioned DIA personell being on the ranch at all times. Also odd things like being given cameras to take pictures of things, submitted urine samples after each shift and having an MRI at a facility in LV.

Now eye witness testimony isn't always the best, but lots of things "chip" stated has been corrobated since with other information.

Bigelow wasn't the only contractor that bidded either, the other being Lockheed. Reid has stated that he had no hand in who got the contract for the DIA program. Which of course he would say that and being buddies with Bigelow probably played some part in it.

But considering that NIDS had been before, the land and other facilities there would have already been available, the DIA had requested to visit the place and with the previous experience of NIDS was probably contribution to why Bigelow got the contract than simply "sorting your mates out".

Considering the interest in "non lethal weapons" / DARPA related brain weapons programs. I lean towards SWR being a non lethal weapons test program on human subjects more than anything else. They dressed it up as "alienz" to hide the darker program of testing on humans. When other Congressmen caught wind of the false alien aspect, the funding was pulled.

The reason the cameras picked up nothing? They were filming the effects on people seeing strange things because their brains were being messed with.