Bigelow, UFOs, MUFON and ‘DeLonge’ Road to AATIP

I wouldn't get too excited by ADD Delonge's Pentagon post indicating some major Disclosure announcement. Pitchers and catchers report in a month. And another children's book is probably on the way. And three more Angels & Airwaves albums, a Poet Anderson mini series, 3 Sekret Machines movies, the rest of the Gods, Man War books, Strange Times novels and miniseries, a Blink-182 reunion, the nine part TV documentary series, a new line of t-shirts and hats, 180 Padres home and away games, several more Sun Valley ski vacations and, oh yeah, a campaign to make the youf luv war more.

a reply to: coursecatalog

You are right, of course.
The Pentagon can disclose whatever they want without the help of Mr. Delonge or TTSA.
Seems to me, however, they are not in a hurry to disclose much of anything that is not dragged of them through FOIA or some executive order or something...

originally posted by: pigsy2400
Hmmm, ya know those DIRD names and titles that Nick Pope got excited about for breaking to the world on Jan 16th from a request to the COC he said he did? Was this a FOIA request by Pope?

Because;

"On Wednesday (Jan 16), the Defense Intelligence Agency released a list of 38 research titles pursued by the program in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request by Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists' Project on Government Secrecy."
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Hmmmm...do they usually release FOIAs simultaneously on the same day? Pope stated that his came from COC...would that have been a FOIA?

Not upto speed on these things, hope someone can clarify..

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originally posted by: beetee
a reply to: coursecatalog

You are right, of course.
The Pentagon can disclose whatever they want without the help of Mr. Delonge or TTSA.
Seems to me, however, they are not in a hurry to disclose much of anything that is not dragged of them through FOIA or some executive order or something...

That's about as excellent a point as can be made I think. They don't need Delonge. But the thought of "Easter eggs" comes to mind when considering FOIA's---like maybe they want folk to dig some stuff up so the "sell" will be more believable.

a reply to: The GUT

This could very well be.

It is very curious how the Pentagon, as an institution, doesn't really back up the TTSA guys in any official manner.
On the other hand, they could probably just as easily, render the whole initiative dead in the water if they wanted to. All it would take is a press release addressing it and declaring that the guys at TTSA are just a bunch of private citizens. "The US Air Force looked into this issue in a project called Blue Book, and our conclusions were..." and so on.

As it stands now there is a strange "grey zone" of half-assed implied support, but not really, and equally lame half denials - but not really that either.

DeLonge has made "official support" his main selling point, which has given TTSA an edge versus the competition, and nobody has come out from the Pentagon saying "this is just not true". And, let's face it, they could.

I think, however, this is not disclosure of anything significant. For that the support is too vague and weak. Neither is it some random money grab from a few busy individuals, or the Pentagon could have squashed it.

But then, what is it? The most telling part, in my opinion, is that it stays very firmly in the "grey area" of neither confirm or deny. Everything remain ambiguous and dismissable. Even the videos. This is the stomping grounds of the intelligence agencies.

I guess my point is that we must be careful to not dismiss this as the ravings of a few individuals.

It may be about renovating the somewhat tarnished image of the government as the "good guys" and perhaps the IC too, in the eyes of the young.

It may also be about getting young people excited about research and engineering (the Lockheed angle).

Maybe someone thought about widening the UFO meme into something that is pan-paranormal, and thus much harder to pin down and falsify. After all, if we venture into space in the next decades and there are no UFOs whizzing around, what then?

I think they are also using the UAP phenomenon because they have been sold on the idea that "youths are passionate" about the topic. It's cool, in a way, and captures the imagination.

This is a pretty pessimistic view, because it leaves no room for the real phenomenon other than as window dressing for ulterior motives. I do believe most governments keep tabs on anything unexplainable that they pick up (just in case it's the Russians or Americans), but I don't believe they are disclosing much of what they know or have.

Maybe because it's so embarrasing that they know so little.

a reply to: beetee



Did she ever circle back?

The reluctance to go fully public by the Pentagon might be linked to all sorts of things. Possibly not even related directly to UFOs. It could open up further questions about funding and how contracts were 'awarded'. Look who wrote many of those DIRD listed papers.

It could lead to a larger trail of questions about the how finances flow in the name of national security and accusations of cronyism. If it's all part of an 'operation' then the grey area is the ideal place to leave things and the public guessing. Especially as running parallel to it all appears to be the growing pro-TTSA agenda from those aboard the TTSA bus. But even those people are pushing narratives that all appear somewhat contradictory when you check the fine details.

Perhaps no one involved wants anyone circling back at all?

a reply to: beetee

TDL claims / claimed "official support" from people within the Pentagon and Zondo claims he has been threatened by people within the Pentagon.

Then there's the other factions of course which some of us believe will pipe up soon.

There are a few narratives now that conflict, between groups and within them. Will be interesting to see how/if these conflicts are addressed.

During my Internet Travels I stumbled upon the figure of Victor Marchetti. He had a serious falling out with the CIA and what he saw as excessive secrecy. Mr Marchetti wrote a book CIA And the Cult of Intelligence that the CIA and US government went to great lengths to stop.

Our own karl12 has a thread on him here on ATS

I was curious what he had to say on the subject of secrecy, and discovered he had indeed written an article for Second Look (?) Magazine back in 1979.

How The CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon (horrible formatting but the text is there).

Not directly related to TTSA but some great insight into how the CIA viewed the topic in 1979 from a somewhat different angle.

Not really grounbreaking, but very interesting background material. 1979 was right before the time Vallee, Puthoff and Alexander had their "Core Story" discussion (early 80's).

I think his analysis and remarks about "rumours floating around" is pretty interesting.

Just thought I'd add this to the thread in case people hadn't seen it.

a reply to: pigsy2400

TDL claims / claimed "official support" from people within the Pentagon and Zondo claims he has been threatened by people within the Pentagon. 

Maybe there is several competing points of view? Would that make sense?

a reply to: mirageman

I guess she didn't circle back, no.

A pretty messy operation, or maybe a whole bunch of copeting operations, all at once? With different agendas?

I just can't figure it out to any significant degree. Just more groping at small crumbs.

a reply to: beetee

Absolutely, as with all of the groups that are pushing thier own narratives too. Tdl TTSA, firmages IASA, Nolans group and potentially others that haven't been as public.

The issue with these groups approaches is as I have said before, they clash and are different, even internally. TTSA approach contradicts Lazar's, but by proxy corbell is associated with them through Knapp.

Whether the narratives bear any resemblence to any actual truth, I personally find doubtful. What I do find interesting however is the motives for pushing these narratives in the first place.

There are some odd things going on behind the scenes it would appear by people who have had a stake in all this for a long time.

Is it about something that is Unexplained or is it a cult like religion that these people have bought into and are trying to get followers of....

a reply to: pigsy2400

he seems to not be serious, i hope at least

a reply to: pigsy2400

maybe they decided to handle multiple requests for this information in one specific day for convenience?

The chances of the US government either knowing anything of substance (or even IF they did revealing it to the public) is practically nil.

Even more unlikely is anything legit coming out of TTSA.

Its crystal clear now, based on the history and actions of the group, TTSA is a disinformation scheme in direct line with the past schemes of similar intent and content: MJ12, Serpo, the Bennewitz affair and other schemes of the US IC community going back to the early 50’s and upgraded in the late 70’s and early 80’s.


Somebody needs to write a book on this, There's a lot of material for such a book. The fine book and film Mirage men is not enough.

a reply to: Willtell

Funny you should say that, as CEO and Founder of "To The Beef Academy Of Farts & Neuroscience" we will be releasing books, films and a mini TV series to educate the public on such matters!

I have assembled a team under the direction of the Facts And Real Truth (F.A.R.T) on how to specifically address these pressing issues.

The thing is the IC spooks don’t even care, in-fact they want to encourage, the public seeing through these ridiculous schemes they’ve run over and over on the UFO community and the American people.

Why?

Because they, for some reason, want to totally muddy the picture of what the UFO phenomenon is really about. Constantly running these disinformation scams definitely makes people tired of the whole thing and the government making it a ridiculous farce, in the eyes of most.


In this present TTSA scam, they went to great lengths to publicize and then draw attention to TTSA so people can see that TTSA equals zero legitimate information, therefore, the UFO phenomenon has zero content inside it.

Here’s the formula:

TTSA=0
UFOlogy = (less than) 0

a reply to: pigsy2400

FARCE= TTSA=UFOlogy

originally posted by: beetee
During my Internet Travels I stumbled upon the figure of Victor Marchetti. He had a serious falling out with the CIA and what he saw as excessive secrecy. Mr Marchetti wrote a book CIA And the Cult of Intelligence that the CIA and US government went to great lengths to stop.

Our own karl12 has a thread on him here on ATS

I was curious what he had to say on the subject of secrecy, and discovered he had indeed written an article for Second Look (?) Magazine back in 1979.

How The CIA Views the UFO Phenomenon (horrible formatting but the text is there).

Not directly related to TTSA but some great insight into how the CIA viewed the topic in 1979 from a somewhat different angle.

Not really grounbreaking, but very interesting background material. 1979 was right before the time Vallee, Puthoff and Alexander had their "Core Story" discussion (early 80's).

I think his analysis and remarks about "rumours floating around" is pretty interesting.

Just thought I'd add this to the thread in case people hadn't seen it.

Great stuff had not read that before. Shame though so little new information has been forth coming

a reply to: pigsy2400

According to Grant Cameron, via Jim Semivan, TTSA is over. They’ve decided to scrap the upcoming information drop, that was due January, February then March.

There will be those who drag it out, those who compromised themselves for information who can’t face this.

My opinion, prepare for the 80s all over again. Another “disclosure” process comes to an end.

Like Grant said, too many cheerleaders have signed things to “trade up”, so don’t expect too many people to talk about or even address this point.

And wait for “reasons” come the end of March. No one wants to feel used I guess.

In other news, around March, Grant will be revealing almost certain proof of MJ12.

A clash between two different (or more) disclosure groups as Ira Einhorn claimed many years ago? Or just another cycle coming to an end?

a reply to: ctj83

Am not keeping up. It is getting lame.

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