New York Times : "The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program" (plus DeLonge's new website/videos)

a reply to: Arbitrageur

Any object whether from this world or otherwise that is operating with anti gravity ( even if it is stationary ) will appear move at 1000 mph or more approx in the westerly direction because of earths rotation

a reply to: Hyperboles
I'm not sure what that would have to do with any of the cases being discussed even if it was true. Nobody reported an object going 1000 mph to the west. Even if an object started out that way, there would be a lot of friction with the atmosphere trying to blow it east at 1000 mph (the rotation speed of the Earth's surface and surface winds) if it was near the equator.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
a reply to: Hyperboles
I'm not sure what that would have to do with any of the cases being discussed even if it was true. Nobody reported an object going 1000 mph to the west. Even if an object started out that way, there would be a lot of friction with the atmosphere trying to blow it east at 1000 mph (the rotation speed of the Earth's surface and surface winds) if it was near the equator.

You are quite right, except the pilots are not taking this fact in their testimony. They are arbitrarily saying this object/s was out of this world.
Anyway to sum up all this scenario, while the declassified video is a load of sheites and the only singularity that comes about this whole event is, ny times and other msm have finally joined the ufo bandwagon

We need the radar data and footage from the other aircraft involved. The clips we've got don't cut it on their own imho.

Wasn’t this video from 2004, btw, and the group was active from 2007 to 2012


Are The Stars giving us garbage?

Here are the possibilities

Another scam in the mold of the Doty, Paul Bennewitz affair, though upgraded to reach more people

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

A positive agenda is that something is being pushed by the ET’s who are deeply worried about the direction the world is going in.

They have a Kumbaya agenda to distract the world from self-destruction.

( it wont work btw)

Give technology through this TTS group (filled to the hilt with IC agents) with the hope that the world will finally GET IT

STOP BUILDING WMD’S AND HEAL YOURSELF
DUMB DUMBS!

I don’t sees any real reason for the US government to change direction and do any disclosure

Our job here at ATS, we old time seasoned researchers and level headed observers, is to figure out what disinformation their going to try to disseminate

What's scary about this?

What the sinister government did through the Bennewitz affair was to implant inside the UFO community disinformation that is still attached, like foam on a rabid dog’s mouth, to that community: the idea that aliens have underground basis torturing humans.

What are their plans now, through TDL’s group?

This can be a huge disinformation scheme, to disseminate disinformation to a large body of people.

What it appears to be on face value, the new scheme here, is to literally bore the American population to death with the alien UFO story with stuff like

Quantum gravity
Biotech engineering
Brain-computer interface technology
Engineering the space-time metric
Telepathy - Explore the location in the brain where this phenomenon is centered, and develop protocols for its enhancement and use.

All bs, and another misdirection scheme...

So we go from the monsters in the ground operating on human sculls and God knows what else to this arcane rubbish


Give me a break…Go back to the drawing board you f___ing transparent con-men


All the while TDL gets rich with his entertainment site atached to all this "science"

a reply to: Willtell

I agree with delonge ttsa being a Doty bennewitz job 2.0 updated for the modern media of today.

I don't agree with your list of boring topics though.

to me, it appears delonge is firmly in the 'alienz are here, there, everywhere!!! and, the govt is hiding it all from us...but if we research these areas we too can be just like the alienz' they then throw out a grab bag of research areas that they have pilfered from the internet's or already know the military is far ahead on. their motives I think are a mixed bag. the topics on them are far from boring though.

on the list:
quantum gravity. although the 'ufos' break through in inertial reduction is a done deal already and in the classical physics realm. (don't have to believe me on this) quantum gravity might go somewhere and have useful fruit down the road.

biotech engineering. a science that has definite potential in the future for benefiting humanity. not boring at all.

brain computer interface technology. already here. we got fighter pilots testing this stuff out right now. pretty darn interesting and not boring.

engineering the space time metric: a huge part of our future. everything from macroscopic casimir type effects for optical/em quantum squeezing techniques revolutionizing energy production and sources to data and communication transfer breakthroughs to altering the value of C(speed of light) in a vacuum (maybe already done half a century ago and the public don't know about it) to even potentially mass reduction and creating negative energy to perhaps harvesting zero point energy. not exactly boring or an non noble persuit.

telepathy: ok kinda kooky but don't be surprised if part of our brains do have quantum mechanisms waiting to be discovered and harnessed. could explain a lot of parapsychology phenomena.

do I think delonge and ttsa will make any headway in these fields? not with the current manpower they have intellectually and definitely not with all the money they realistically could fundraise from investors. they need billions not a few hundred thousand.

things they should be looking into science wise and so should you guys if you have a sincere interest in the future of science and technological breakthroughs.

plasmonics and quantum boundry layer effects. metamaterials. non linear optics and phase conjugation (can one reverse tau?). system engineering. superconductors. genetic sciences.

dont throw the baby out with the bath water.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

Oh their boring, though maybe not to you, but to the general public…
And not to me because I’m already familiar with these topics…

Which have been investigated by the Government and related NGO’s for decades already, and the money they’ll need to really cover these topics is astronomical; I’m talking about Amazon, Google, and Apple or Microsoft money to really examine these topics seriously.

dont throw the baby out with the bath water

The baby is a smokescreen. I doubt they’ll ever get the funds to seriously touch these subjects.

a reply to: Willtell

ah in that case we are in accord!

a reply to: Willtell

Here's an interesting question: The incident took place in 2004. Commander David Fravor retired from the Navy in 2011.

In 2015 this was posted on the fightersweep board:

However last month when I called Dave to refresh my memory before sitting down to write this bizarre encounter, he informed me that the video had been removed from YouTube. He told me that a government agency with a three letter identifier had recently conducted an investigation into the AAVs and had exhaustively interviewed all parties involved. All of the seven flight crew, including 6 aircrew from VFA-41 and Cheeks from VMFA-232. The Fire Control Officer and Senior Chief from Princeton, and the radar operator on the E-2. They even queried the crew of the USS Louisville, a Los Angeles-class Fast-Attack submarine that was in the area as part of the Nimitz Carrier Strike Group who reported there were no unidentified sonar contacts or strange underwater noises on that day.

I’m not sure what to make of these events. I’ve loved the story since first listening because it is so crazy. I had never given aliens or UFOs much thought. It was a waste of my CPU power to mull a question like that. If they wanted to make contact, they would. If they wanted to observe from a distance, then they would be impossible to discern given the assumed high technology required to visit.

fightersweep.com...

Although it doesn't say the "three letter agency" told him and crew to keep quiet, that probably was the case. Thirteen years have passed since the incident. Now in 2017 he has permission to speak about it? The YouTube is back up and the mass media has been planted with the story. Why now? That's the question.

This may seem unrelated and crazy, but last week DARPA announced a new project to "go underground". The DARPA Subterranean Challenge. They're always coming up with new projects and proposals, but this one seems to be of great importance. Question: What's the rush? Why are we going underground now? We already have facilities underground. The big challenge is for someone to design and build the network. Maybe something coming i.e. asteroid or invasion? Would be interested in thoughts about this. Could it be related to this "disclosure" event? Links and YouTube:



www.darpa.mil...

originally posted by: Phantom423

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: BASSPLYR


I construe Bob Bigelow's statements in the 60 Minutes interview as a benefit to society as a whole.

What hard evidence has he offered? The interviewer stated that "he didn't care to go into details". How does society benefit from mountains of documents, eye witness accounts, videos and a warehouse filled with spaceship debris which isn't being offered for analysis? How is any of this different than what has been out there for decades?

I wish people would stop treating this like a religion rather than a scientific inquiry. Either someone comes up with the hard evidence, or this is just another big fail.

I'm pretty much onboard with Robert Bigelow''s opinion in the 60 Minutes interview --- "Don't have to search for aliens in space because they are already here" --- It's really a vast conspiracy by our own United States government --- along with the help of NASA --- to deny full U.F.O. disclosure, in order to hoodwink the U.S. public, into keeping shelling out hard-earned tax payer money to search for ET life on other planets; so that the majority of these guys from NASA can still be employed!!!

a reply to: Phantom423


Advanced technologies, underground pathways, and stuff that may or may not be human? Why if I didn't know any better this sounds an awful lot like the "Shaver Mystery".

Personally, I think that the DARPA thing (which sounds cool) has more to do with mines, caves, and navigating through unknown sub-basement infrastructures more than anything else. It was a problem back in 'Nam where tunnel rats would hunt through a system of tunnels, and pop up in the weirdest locations. Forcing the other members of a unit to try and follow them form above ground. This DARPA challenge seems to be pushing to fix that, due to how insurgents are also using tunnels today.

then again this could all be about Dero's.

a reply to: Phantom423

Those letters wouldn’t be CIA...

Would they


Good find.

I tell you, from a positive perspective; that is the possibility that this may be real disclosure; it may be that some internal movement is being propelled by something we all know anything about.


Let me add this thread here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

perhaps

The Game's Afoot!

originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Phantom423

Those letters wouldn’t be CIA...

Would they


Good find.

probably not.

sounds more like the DIAs charter not CIA.

the CIA collects, analyzes foreign intelligence and then disseminates it to the proper authorities within the usa. they can also do covert action against foreign threats to the United States such as espionage either physically or politically.

the DIAs job is to collect military intelligence for the usa. if a unidentified probably military aircraft is seen the DIA investigates not the CIA. the DIA also acts like the NSA and protects US MILITARY information and the intelligence on those assets. in cases like this the DIA would possibly work in conjunction with the AFISR and ONI to investigate the incident to determin if the vehicle in question was one of ours or another nations.

12-27-17 "Stanton Friedman Weighs In On Pentagon's Secret UFO Search with Kathleen Marden"

"SAC Base UFO Flyovers 'Scrutinized By Newly Revealed Pentagon UFO Project' "

Special thanks to Karl12...


www.theufochronicles.com...

originally posted by: Erno86
"SAC Base UFO Flyovers 'Scrutinized By Newly Revealed Pentagon UFO Project' "

Special thanks to Karl12...


www.theufochronicles.com...

I'll have a special thanks for you or anybody who can find a single witness who saw the UFO.

Case Closed! A Re-Evaluation of the Echo Flight Incident

Figel's email specifically states that he himself saw no UFO. He tells James Carlson that he took the report as a joke. Nowhere in the email does he state by who or where the report came from, nor does he states one way or the other that Eric Carlson was aware of the report.

If it was a joke then Hastings is selling a lot of books to gullible readers based on a joke, and that also makes a tragedy out of giving millions in taxpayer money to Bigelow so he can investigate a joke.

For years Eric Carlson has been silent on the issue of UFO activity. He has consistently denied any UFO reports or involvement in the shut down of the ten ICBMs. In the 2008 Hastings interview, Figel is notably interested in the contents of a phone conversation which Hastings had with Carlson. Per Hastings, Carlson said little other than to state that UFOs were not the cause of the shutdowns, but Figel's noticeably interest in the phone conversation as to what Eric Carlson specifically said is interesting. The response from Figel gives the appearance that he was uncomfortable about Eric Carlson's reaction. Was Figel concerned that Carlson would contradict his version of events? It would appear so.

Carlson did provide an interview with Ryan Dube of Realityuncovered. Carlson stated that no reports were called in. He did not receive any calls radio/SIN related to the sighting of a UFO over any of his launch facilities, this also includes any conversations with security personnel.

By the way the author of that story was assigned to the same nuclear missile base.

originally posted by: Erno86
12-27-17 "Stanton Friedman Weighs In On Pentagon's Secret UFO Search with Kathleen Marden"

Friedman seems as clueless as Bruce Maccabee who made the report about incredible acceleration, when we now know it was a zoom change on the display and there was no incredible acceleration shown on the video.