New York Times : "The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program" (plus DeLonge's new website/videos)

CIA tweeting a 15 YEAR old UFO pic seems par-for-course..

Considering this is the same year FBI released declassified 50 YEAR old JFK docs that are mostly blank =L

It's like feds find this hilarious or something, no?

a reply to: Arbitrageur

am I alone that Stanton seems clueless about most things hes babbled about.

a reply to: BASSPLYR
I was specific about his ignorance of the cause of the perceived acceleration, no doubt he's ignorant about that.

But even a broken watch is right twice a day, and likewise Friedman isn't wrong about everything. Unlike Bob Lazar who claims to be a physicist but isn't, Friedman has real physics degrees and I agree with him that Lazar doesn't seem to know much physics beyond high school level, and there's no way anybody would have hired him as a "physicist" to reverse engineer an alien spacecraft. But yes Friedman has his share of issues like being too credulous about the fake MJ-12 documents.

So can we say Bob Lazar is wrong about most things? Well aside from his obviously fictitious S4 story, he's actually a bright guy and made a video about his corvette being powered by hydrogen, and I couldn't disagree with anything he said in the video, so he's not clueless most of the time if he sticks to what he really knows.

I wouldn't put either of those guys at the top of my list for seeming the most clueless, I think maybe Steven Greer or his successor Tom DeLonge might qualify. I think it was you who said something like DeLonge crashed and burned on the Rogan podcast and I agree with that!

What amazes me about Tom DeLonge is he's portrayed as having an extreme interest in UFOs for a long time, yet he seems to know so little about them that he posts pictures of CGI and fakes as if they were real, when many ATS members have known about the CGI/fakes etc for years that DeLonge seems to be completely clueless about, and that was even before the Rogan podcast.

I can't agree with everything Grant Cameron says either, but when he says that DeLonge is seen as a means to gain support for military spending based on a perceived alien UFO threat, while I can't say if that's true, it does seem like a plausible hypothesis. I mean who would argue that the military industrial complex doesn't want more military spending? Of course they do, the only question is whether they would use DeLonge as a pawn in a scheme to achieve that goal. I don't know the answer, but I haven't ruled it out.

Further analysis on the videos released so far doesn't seem very alien and casts serious doubt on pilot Fravor's perception that the object wasn't from this world. If he's the one who changed the zoom, he would know that and he'd have to be an idiot to perceive the scale he changed as acceleration if he changed it, so now I'm wondering could he be an idiot, or could he be lying, or did he never know about the scale change and how would that be possible, or what? Again I don't have the answers, only unanswered questions.

This is the video showing the scale change:

a reply to: Arbitrageur


Before the second flight of four Super Hornets, which were equipped this time with forward looking infrared radar that recorded the UFO incident...a first flight of two Super Hornets were sent to investigate without FLIR1 units.


According to Commander Fravor, "one of the first of two Super Hornets, the hovering object flew directly towards the jets, when one of the Super Hornets turned towards the unidentified aircraft the object accelerated away."


en.wikipedia.org...

originally posted by: Arbitrageur

Further analysis on the videos released so far doesn't seem very alien and casts serious doubt on pilot Fravor's perception that the object wasn't from this world. If he's the one who changed the zoom, he would know that and he'd have to be an idiot to perceive the scale he changed as acceleration if he changed it, so now I'm wondering could he be an idiot, or could he be lying, or did he never know about the scale change and how would that be possible, or what? Again I don't have the answers, only unanswered questions.

Let me help you out here, Arbi.

The FLIR1 video was not taken from Fravor’s airplane. It was taken some time later, on a different location by a different crew. Fravor was already back on the Nimitz when the FLIR1 footage was taken.

Read this report for the timeline: coi.tothestarsacademy.com...

The only thing we have from Fravor (‘OK-2’ in the report) and the other pilot in the airplane that stayed high during the encounter (‘source’ in the report) are their eye witness statements.

The FLIR1 video was taken 40-60 nautical miles from the spot where Fravor first saw the object, but by a different airplane. It is quite remarkable because the object has the same shape as described by Fravor, and its heat signature does not show any signs of a jet exhaust. You can see this clearly at the 2:24 mark in the video.

The zoom switch from 1.0 to 2.0 does give a wrong impression of the object’s acceleration while leaving the field of view. In fact its speed is almost constant during the whole movement, which is why the graphs made by Bruce Maccabee show straight lines in both the 1.0 and 2.0 zoom sections.

The speed at which it leaves the field of view can be estimated based on its estimated size of 40 feet.
It takes about 3 frames, which is 0.1 seconds at 30 frames per second, to travel its own length. This gives an estimated speed of 400 feet per second, or 120 m/s. Not a very remarkable speed.

If this was just an airplane or drone performing a banking manoeuvre at moderate speed, why would the AFLIR lose its lock on the object? If it’s that easy to break away from an AFLIR lock, Raytheon should be quite embarrassed about this video.

It becomes clear if you look at the object’s initial acceleration, right at its departure from the centre of the field of view. If you watch the video frame by frame, you first see the object hanging in the centre for a few frames, then it starts to move and reaches its final speed of 120 m/s within 15 frames, or 0.5 seconds at 30 frames per second.

You could argue that the apparent movement is due to the motion of the plane, but the plane stays levelled with respect to the horizon and the AFLIR viewing angle stays stable so no movement there…

So within just 0.5 seconds, the object is able to jump to a speed of 430 km/hr (270 mph). This requires an acceleration of 240 m/s2, or 24 g’s!!
Amazing …

this is all leading up to something big happening in 2018 ... disclosure is on its way

a reply to: Erno86
a reply to: Guest101
Thanks for the links, guys. That answers some question, but raises others.

Fravor (‘OK-2’ in the report)

Where did that come from? It looks like the report has the names blacked out.

The first two planes didn't have FLIR but they did make and save gun camera footage, where is that? Also where is the radar information from the ship?

Guest, regarding your analysis of the acceleration, did you notice the object disappeared completely in the video you posted, at 2:27? Here's a screenshot, there is no object so I think that throws a monkey wrench into your calculations which assume the position of the object is known, when apparently it's not at this point.



The display gets very "flickery" at that point, is that because the operators are changing the settings too much and confusing it, or some kind of malfunction or something else? Whatever the cause it doesn't appear to have a reliable track on the object at that point and it seems to be more something to do with the equipment or settings of the equipment, than the object it's tracking, based on the way the display is flickering.

a reply to: WhatWouldTomDelongeDo

ooooh what big thing is gunna happen. do tell.

originally posted by: WhatWouldTomDelongeDo
this is all leading up to something big happening in 2018 ... disclosure is on its way

I have my doubts video showing anonymous flying objects is going to convince most people, it partly the reason this announcement barely got discussed by the media people. Show them a metal that can't be manufactured here then we are in business. So far though nobody in the 'know has said what exactly the metal properties are and we only got this silly rumour it stored in a warehouse managed by a company owned by Bigelow. Roswell, in my opinion, has to be a real event with an alien craft crashing for there to be anything to disclose. Lazar saw nine alien crafts for me sounds like bull#. There is nothing in the UFO lore would suggest that many UFO's are recovered and I think it is a lot harder to keep a lid on the secrecy if more crashes or shoot down of UFOs took place. I still surprised nothing leaked in the past two weeks if there was a secret majestic program ongoing since 1947, the silence so far may be proof the US government is just as dumb as the public as to true origins of the phenomenon.

Once there’s disclosure, then what?

At least, I agree with any method, such as TDL’s group, to get something out of alien technology besides---wonderful theirs aliens in the universe…

The reason they are here is one question that needs to be answered.

In-fact that may be one of the reasons the PTB won't admit their here because they don’t want to admit it’s their actions as leaders of the worlds folly’s that the aliens are concerned about.

Of course where they come from is another question.

It’s obvious the PTB might not want to admit to being ignorant of the apparent superior technology of these aliens, and their apparent helplessness to confront them.

They also might not want to fess up to us and tell us what they want.

Because what they want means the PTB have to do something they don’t want do.

a reply to: Guest101

Wait a minute - Commander Fravor and his RIO were the ones who initially observed the object. I don't recall anyone reporting that another pilot actually acquired the FLIR1 recording AFTER Commander Fravor was back on the Nimitz. That would mean that the UFO was on location for some period of time - time enough for others to observe it.

I'm confused about the timeline now. And that redacted document just adds to the confusion.

Can you explain the timeline and identify exactly who took the video? And where is the third video?

Thanks

originally posted by: Phantom423
a reply to: Guest101

Wait a minute - Commander Fravor and his RIO were the ones who initially observed the object. I don't recall anyone reporting that another pilot actually acquired the FLIR1 recording AFTER Commander Fravor was back on the Nimitz.

It's in the report that Guest cited, though the redacted version of the report doesn't confirm that Fravor is OK-2, Guest must have obtained that information from another source.

The report says OK-2 made a copy of the gun camera footage, which if that's Fravor then Fravor should have it. Maybe he hasn't been authorized to release it, as maybe it shows too much detail about what the report refers to as a "Blue force weapon system", which I guess means a friendly drone. I found the report interesting when it says the colleagues on the ship were not taking the incident seriously...apparently they didn't believe Fravor and company's characterization of the object as extraterrestrial. You would think if he had this amazing gun camera footage he would show it to them but the report doesn't say if he did or not; apparently if he did they weren't as impressed.

OK-4 and OK-5 made the FLIR video later.

a reply to: Erno86

12-27-17 "Stanton Friedman Weighs In On Pentagon's Secret UFO Search with Kathleen Marden"

A bit long - but some intriguing tidbits. Thanks for sharing it.

Stanton weighing in as he has is significant. Like George Knapp -he always has good follow-up questions that should be asked.

2018 should be an interesting year, indeed!

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
Fravor (‘OK-2’ in the report) - Where did that come from? It looks like the report has the names blacked out.

Two two-seater jets, one stays high (with ‘source’ (pilot) and ‘OK-1’ on board), the other goes low (with ‘OK-2’ (pilot) and ‘OK-3’ on board). In his interviews, David Fravor tells how he piloted the jet that went low while the other jet stayed high so he must be ‘OK-2’.

originally posted by: Arbitrageur
Guest, regarding your analysis of the acceleration, did you notice the object disappeared completely in the video you posted, at 2:27? The display gets very "flickery" at that point.

Yes, the flickering image with a missing object in some of the frames puzzled me, too.
If you watch it frame by frame you see that the object becomes large and blurry first which seems to indicate vibration. My best guess is that the jet hits some turbulence which shakes the ATFLIR.

But the part where the object leaves is stable again and does contain several frames at the start where the object is motionless in the centre of the field of view. You need to look at the video frame by frame to see this (I downloaded the video and used a video editing tool).

By the way: NICAP is building up a good case file, with lots of useful links (as they have been doing for many cases now).
Alas, the gun camera footage of Fravor is not there ... I would also like to see it - maybe TDL is already trying to get it released?

a reply to: Arbitrageur

The "Source" of this report is a highly decorated and recognized expert in aviation and Navy combat flight operations with Top Secret clearance. There are also six "others knowledgable (OK)" that are referenced as being aware of the incident. OK-4 and OK-5, who were assigned to the follow-on cycle from the USS Nimitz on the same day, after the Source's encounter, reportedly saw the same object and were able to obtain brief FLIR footage. TTS Academy has obtained this footage, entitled "FLIR1," which you can watch here after reading this report.

This incident has more "secret sources" than John le Carre.

But the part where the object leaves is stable again and does contain several frames at the start where the object is motionless in the centre of the field of view. You need to look at the video frame by frame to see this (I downloaded the video and used a video editing tool).

He's not the only one I'm afraid.

The FLIR1 video was taken 40-60 nautical miles from the spot where Fravor first saw the object, but by a different airplane. It is quite remarkable because the object has the same shape as described by Fravor, and its heat signature does not show any signs of a jet exhaust. You can see this clearly at the 2:24 mark in the video.

You realize that this screws up the entire timeline of the event. According to Guest, the object should have been at that location for quite some time in order for Fravor and his RIO to see it, report it, fly back to the ship and THEN, AFTER they're back on the ship, another F18 goes out and takes that video. WTF???? Sorry, it doesn't work. Neither does that redacted document. That document BTW, is an image on top of the watermarked paper.
It's not an actual document - run your mouse over it.

Another video analysis. Of course, the range isn't known, and seems to only be a guess based on other parameters.



Also I find the sound in the video strange. In every other F/A-18 video I see, you can hear the pilot breathing through the mask. Also I can't explain it, but the way the pilots talk seems a bit strange?

A few questions I have in regards to the genesis of the AATIProgram .

What did Senator Harry Reid receive in the ‘quid pro quo’ with Robert Bigelow.

Reid has no business initiating this program with out personal incentive.

It also just happened to be initiated in the first year of Reid’s most influential and powerful position in his career ‘ US Senate Majority Leader’.

Reid has been criticized in the past for directly benefiting his 5 sons whom are all political lobbyists . The latest being his youngest son Josh who was handed the 200k a year state sponsored position of City Attorney of Henderson , Nevada in a 4-0 vote appointment for an already chaired position ( LA Times).

Not that my major concerns are about the underhanded happenings that had to take place to start this program. but I do think the truth is the best road to travel and transparency is required to assure information gleaned from this program and in future endeavors is not tainted.

I also wonder where is Bigelow in all this. My opinion is that this entire program is Bigelow. He initiated it through Reid.

This is his baby.

Bigelow had to have outlined the architecture of the program. Reid was in no position to outline specifics of how the program would work and distribution of funding.

My guess is that Bigelow may even had recommended Elizondo for the lead position ( through possible DOD contractor conversations). Why was Elizondo selected for the position? His education/ Work history lead nothing to aeronautics. He was selected because Bigelow had to have known he was a go getter. And would take the position seriously with even an eye to be a part of TTS after the program expired which I still think TTS is puppetted by Bigelow behind the scenes.

This is a conspiracy theory site isn’t it

Slante

originally posted by: C0bzz
Another video analysis. Of course, the range isn't known, and seems to only be a guess based on other parameters.

Also I find the sound in the video strange. In every other F/A-18 video I see, you can hear the pilot breathing through the mask. Also I can't explain it, but the way the pilots talk seems a bit strange?

Can you post some examples of these other F/A-18 videos?

Some explanation of the GIMBAL video can be found here.
GIMBAL, by the way, is NOT related to the encounter by David Fravor.

You can see a small dot in the left upper part of the field of view. This is probably a planet or star; a nice fixation point while everything else is moving.
The UFO moves from right to left, you can see its relative movement with respect to the dot.
The ATFLIR first sees the UFO on the left side of the jet and locks onto it. The jet then turns towards the left to move towards the UFO, which is also traveling to the left.
At the end of the video the UFO seems to slow down its leftward motion while it tilts. You can see this by its relative motion with respect to the dot.

Again: its heat signature seems to show no signs of an exhaust. It is even surrounded by a layer of cold air (which was already predicted by Paul R. Hill in his book ‘Unconventional Flying Objects’).

"Tom DeLonge UFO - Story - Newest Developments in the Pentagon - Grant Cameron - 1-4-18

Gotta run out n getta a case of beer, peanuts n popcorn, and maybe a nice bag 'o stinky. The next few months will make the history books...of that I have no doubt. The trick...and yes, there's always a 'trick'...will be to actually sift thru it all and separate the truth from the disinformation from the outright BS. Pretty sure I'll be hitting ATS several times a day once the 'trickling' starts in earnest. Promises to be one hell of a 'tug of war' between multiple influential and 'informed' insiders. Just can't, for the life of me, figure how or why TDL was chosen to MC the forthcoming history making revelations...smh