New York Times : "The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program" (plus DeLonge's new website/videos)

a reply to: BASSPLYR


I construe Bob Bigelow's statements in the 60 Minutes interview as a benefit to society as a whole.

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: BASSPLYR


I construe Bob Bigelow's statements in the 60 Minutes interview as a benefit to society as a whole.

What hard evidence has he offered? The interviewer stated that "he didn't care to go into details". How does society benefit from mountains of documents, eye witness accounts, videos and a warehouse filled with spaceship debris which isn't being offered for analysis? How is any of this different than what has been out there for decades?

I wish people would stop treating this like a religion rather than a scientific inquiry. Either someone comes up with the hard evidence, or this is just another big fail.

One problem with this alienUFO thing is that once it is exposed and we get use to it, then what?

Somebody said in a movie once, “Life is a miracle were just use to it”


Deep down were all looking for something else, not just an alien race with fast spaceships
Were looking for the miraculous...

That may have to come from within

originally posted by: Phantom423

originally posted by: Erno86
a reply to: BASSPLYR


I construe Bob Bigelow's statements in the 60 Minutes interview as a benefit to society as a whole.

What hard evidence has he offered? The interviewer stated that "he didn't care to go into details". How does society benefit from mountains of documents, eye witness accounts, videos and a warehouse filled with spaceship debris which isn't being offered for analysis? How is any of this different than what has been out there for decades?

I wish people would stop treating this like a religion rather than a scientific inquiry. Either someone comes up with the hard evidence, or this is just another big fail.

Science?

This has little to do with science. More like propaganda, manipulation and deceit

Maybe the science of what they call-- tricknology.


They need to knock the BS off and give us what we have a right to

George sent me the link to this piece earlier today, I thought I'd toss this into the mix, it's a good read from an interesting perspective...

devoid.blogs.heraldtribune.com...

a reply to: Willtell

Exactly. The only credible piece of analysis was from the physics guy on YouTube who analyzed the acceleration anomaly. My husband is a former Marine fighter pilot and one of my neighbors recently retired from the Navy as a Top Gun instructor. Both of them looked at the original video and the video from the physics guy and agreed. They both said the only other maneuver that might produce the acceleration anomaly is if the "object" made a hard turn which would show up as the same acceleration phenomenon. But without the follow-up data and debrief of the pilots, that's all you can say about the incident.

I think it's somewhat disingenuous to suggest "full disclosure" when it looks like they have no intention to disclosure REAL data.

a reply to: Phantom423

I think it's somewhat disingenuous to suggest "full disclosure" when it looks like they have no intention to disclosure REAL data.

I agree.

a reply to: Phantom423

hey phantom can I please see the physics YouTube link or get a synopsis from you.

a reply to: Springer


Hum, looks like StartalkRadio might be even more interesting this year.

I think it's important to note that we've been less then a year out from the "War on Science" that happened. It's strange that people today still think that objects are "evil" or "good", and when they do it's enough to cut funding, and end research.

What I am beginning to find really odd, this time around, is that most people are not being panicky about this new UFO/UAP cycle, nor is there any alarm bells getting sounded? It's going to take time for Science to wrap it's head around this new cycle, but I get the feeling that most people don't care as much as they should. If a space ship was to land in Central Park today, and sit there for a while doing nothing, most people would just go about their lives like it didn't happen anyways. Very weird times.

Personally I think that this new cycle is a great way of getting the public to back space exploration and advance STEAM (Science, Technologies, Engineering, Arts, and Maths) If This UFO/UAP is made public (ie: disclosure) then finally we can start to drive ourselves into the future.

When I was younger, a friend of my family told me that he had seen something that wasn't human, but stopped short of saying it came from outer space since he didn't know where it came from. What he described was technologies that we still haven't came close to today, but he was hopeful that some day we would crack it, and that it might help bring peace to the world. Even if the technologies where a weapon, just having the people of Earth know that there was something bigger and more advanced then us, might just bring us all together. I can only hope that he was right.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

It's the one that was posted a few pages back:

a reply to: Phantom423

thanks phantom! !

After listening a few interviews with John B. Alexander, I think he is spot on alluding that 22 million is just a drop in the bucket for investigating the (UFOs/UAPs/...) because it could be as complex as trying to wrap our heads around let's say AIDS or cancer. Something along those lines.

Btw, do they have a schedule when their going to release more disclosures, or is this a grab bag thing.

Is TDL going to do another 60 day timeline that turns into almost 60 months?

a reply to: Willtell

Though I don't have even the slightest clue how they got the NYTimes to even treat the subject seriously (though a tip of the cap TDL), and though I am still furious at the jackasses at TTSA bc some people here have referred my novel - at the bottom - for me to share with them w/ possible publishing deals but they won't accept "unsolicited materials" - I submit that they are not quite "big time" enough yet to summarily dismiss talent that WANTS to work with them, despite all of that, my advice to them would be extremely simple:

Stike when the iron is hot.

IF they had some 60 to 90 day drip drip thing, drop it, immediately.

I don't know what they believed "success" entailed (though having spoken to George K, I think I have enough of an idea), THIS is more success than they should have counted upon.

We can pick apart their strategy and video and all that stuff all day long, but the bottom line is they got the paper of record to take them seriously, that caused CNN, Newsweek, BBC etc to take them seriously and that is success, period, full stop.

Jump. On. It.

The public's attention span cannot possibly be more than 72 hours. Additionally, some time in the very near future, Mueller is going to "Disclose" what he has, and 60% of the country is going to be calling for answers, and 40% of the country is going to be calling for civil war, and exactly NO ONE will be interested in UFOs when some are willing to burn the country down, and some willing to defend it. I guess it's fairly obvious which side I am on in that matter, but for OUR purposes here, with respect to UFOs and disclosure, it doesn't matter which "side" one is on politically, and day now, the ONLY topic in the news may be whether the United States has a future as one country, or a new confederacy fires upon Ft. Hoover Building.

So, my humble (very humble, TTSA) advice is scrap any plans they may have had to drip this out 90 days or whatever in between, and get it going NOW.

Not that I'm positive that's a good idea. Because, as anyone who's spoken to George Knapp knows, when you think you're ready for Disclosure with a capital "D" - check yourself, because part of your assertion includes some certainty as to what will be disclosed, when you have no claim to any. You may well not be prepared for the real truth. I know that I might well not be.

Thanks for your good work on this thread, Will, GUT, Phage and many others. I've lurked for years, only THIS really got me involved.

a reply to: Scrubdog

Again, good luck with the book. Maybe try to get a good agent. I know it’s hard, you get a lot of responses like, oh, great stuff….Keep writing. Yet a refusal.


Anyway, you just get tired of these people raising expectations. The good people here who are genuinely hoping this may finally be it. Pisses me off tremendously how they keep jerking them around.

You want to be positive but they wont let you.

a reply to: Willtell

Wise words.

OTOH, think of it this way, friend, this last couple weeks has been positive, not a question in my mind.

Had I told you a month ago that such revered media outlets like the NYT, BBC, Newsweek, etc (and let's all just set aside the political animus about "which" media has a political angle for now, these entities ARE the media that drive consensus topics for discussion), that such outlets would treat the UFO subject with nothing but straight up respect, story written by 2 reporters with Pulitzer prizes - IOW, not interns - wouldn't we have all said that it was an insane hallucination?

Perhaps we ought to work on accepting the "wins" we get, as just that, a "win."

At least, that's how I've decided to walk away from it for now. Yes, I want more, more respect for the topic as one worthy of serious study, whether one's a true skeptic (not debunker) or true believer, either way, serious study. These things open the door for that, if not "disclosure."

Cheers.

a reply to: Willtell

We're also looking for ourselves. Little green men might be strange but they mimic the human in ways we recognize. I liked the movie "Arrival" for that very reason - it portrayed the aliens as being completely different than humans.

And that's just another good reason why the real data is so important. We're too prone to jump to conclusions about what we're observing. People want it so bad that they're giving up good judgement and best practice to satisfy their need. That's exactly why we have the Scientific Method.

We have "aliens" on this planet already anyway - interesting article on the higher cephalopods:

SCIENCE REVEALS YET ANOTHER REASON OCTOPUSES AND SQUID ARE SO WEIRD

OCTOPUSES ARE ALIENS living on Earth. They solve puzzles, use tools, and communicate with color. They also squirt ink, open jars, and occasionally pull a prank or two. Given their remarkable intelligence and cunning ways, it takes a lot to surprise the biologists who study these wonderful creatures and their equally weird cousins the squids and cuttlefish.

But when Stanford University geneticist Jin Billy Li heard about Joshua Rosenthal’s work on RNA editing in squid, his jaw dropped. That’s because the work, published today in the journal Cell, revealed that many cephalopods present a monumental exception to how living things use the information in DNA to make proteins. In nearly every other animal, RNA—the middleman in that process—faithfully transmits the message in the genes. But octopuses, squid, and cuttlefish (but not their dumber relatives, the nautiluses) edit their RNA, changing the message that gets read out to make proteins.

www.wired.com...

I knew it!
Thanks for posting that 👍
a reply to: Phantom423

originally posted by: The GUT

originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: The GUT

Nope. Hal was brought into it by Rick Doty, just like all the rest of the genuinely intelligent members of the aviary were. Since one of them knew and trusted Doty the rest looked into it with sincere interest. But you already knew that (or should have).

I could buy that, Springer, if A.) Doty"s dodginess wasnt well-known certainly by the time (if not before) the MJ12 hoax/Disinfo/psy-op/take your pick, and B.) those pesky and very telling "Team of 5" emails.

Hal Puthoff being one of the "5." Those emails certainly show direct participation in the management of the release of SERPO "disclosure" information. I can't see them being read any other way as regards Kit and Hal. Maybe they had "National Security Need To Know" reasons but, whatever. they seem to murky the ufological waters more than clarify them.

Connecting the dots around here does does get a mite weird, doesn't it?

a reply to: jedi_hamster

Yeah, it kind of seems like this program was intended to make it seem like the government was investigating the phenomenon when in reality, I'll bet they spend a lot more than $22 million on it. One of the directives of this project was to not investigate who was flying the craft but to instead focus on the craft themselves.

The real projects, like reverse-engineering alien technology or engaging the aliens themselves, are probably still ongoing, but highly secretive.