New York Times : "The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program" (plus DeLonge's new website/videos)

a reply to: BASSPLYR

There is nothing either of them noted that moved me to believe that either of them knew much more than anyone reading this thread on what was happening and why.

They mentioned the impact on Trump, but then left the major consideration wholly unaddressed.

We've always assumed that the managers of any program in the intel community wouldn't be under the thumb of any one president, in my fictional world, I posit only that a president is given a brief, general description of what is held, and then given the inference that the president will not be "in charge" of the program, that they essentially disclose just enough to keep themselves out of jail if another world leader discloses.

That's my general supposition with the average president, a Bush, Obama-type. But, THIS particular president came into office having ALREADY hung his intel community out to dry, and (very sorry Trump fans), the intel community already knows all about his financial deals with Russia. There is no conceivable way this president would've been told ANYTHING about the program.

So it becomes the perfect tool for the community to use to demonstrate to the president (Trump) that he may fire Mueller, he may fire FBI directors, or purge whatever department he wants, but they still control him, and every single plan he may or may not hold, can be interrupted at any given time by some leaked video, and another NY Times story.

I don't see how these 2 yammer on about disclosure, Putin, whether Trump will be president, and yet NOT address the fact that there is a cold war going on between the White House and the intel communities, and no matter who is president, Kennedy, Reagan, Clinton, or Trump, the intel community will always win that way because they control the flow of information and they outlast any one president.

In fact, I don't think the disclosure that came out last week could've come out the way it did without there being such a chasm between the oval office and the intel communities.

a reply to: Scrubdog

(Not to digress, but there is a Cold War going on with Russia right now too, only the President is on their side...They attacked us and he praises them, denies it, and fawns on Putin while trashing our own IC and FBI. If Trump thinks that he controls the IC and FBI, and that they don't know what's going on with him, he will be most rudely awakened from that fantasy. )

Interesting interpretation. I hadn't seen it from a political angle. Honestly, this was all in the works long prior to the election. Clinton probably knew a lot about it given the email between Tom And Podesta.

I think the project might have been delayed by the unexpected election results, given the long stretch between when he announced something back at the beginning of the year and how slowly it's rolled out. Or that could just be complex behind the curtain tuff trying to set up a company, obtain financing and jump through hoops.

There hasn't been much of a break in the news cycle for them to step in with their momentous announcement.

I saw a cartoon that depicted the reaction of the public during any normal year, as we have been slammed with hyper news cycles since the beginning of the election back in 2015 versus people's reaction now. (girl hears UFO's are real on TV. Next frame is her in full busted out shock mode. Then they show the reaction this year and girl is like, meh.).

We are indeed in "interesting times" and we will look back on this year as one of the most important in history for multiple reasons, including the UFO announcement.

The government appears to have conflicting views about the reality of UFO's with some folks at the Pentagon still laughing at those who study them. It's not the same "disclosure" we all imagined with some sort of unified front of knowledges and belief within the IC. It's all very "interesting*."

(Old Chinese curse: May you live in interesting times.)

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Realtruth

So without having to watch 1.25 hours of stuff.

I'll condense it into a summary, both from the video, and what is transpiring. It really doesn't just have to actually do with objects/UFO's flying around, but rather a different MO, or consciousness shift. People's beliefs and dogmas are the ones that hold them back from seeing what is already there.

In the video they mentioned "Experiencer's", these are the select group of scientist, researchers, and people that have been privy to ET technologies the government possesses currently, but have denied having publicly.

If we get disclosure most of the fantasies that people have, in regards to UFO's/ET will be extremely different than what they originally conceived.

People want hard evidence, but the truth is it's far from concrete, or physical objects as we currently experience them. There have been countless threads on ATS explaining our 2/3 dimensional world, and then the high probabilities of 4th, 5th, 6th, and beyond. We currently have a linear mindset, but some people in this world have tapped into their universal right to see more.

Others, namely the privy black-op researchers have been able to use the ET's techs, as a crutch, to assist them in experiencing, hence the term "Experiencer's" to see beyond our physical matrix, that most believe is all that exists.

It's not a good or bad thing, but rather a whole new way of thinking, and our collective consciousness is calling for it. It's absolutely apparent because we wouldn't be here discussing it if we didn't have yearning to known.

Think of an ostrich with it's head in the sand for many many years, all it knows is dark, then it starts to question maybe there is more, as it pulls it's head from the sand it realizes there is a whole that exists outside the darkness. We are that ostrich.

Peace and enjoy your holidays, 2018 will be interesting times for everyone.

RT

So far there's a mountain of documentation, eye witness accounts, etc, but very little science. Where's the data? As someone posted below that video:

After all the articles, mountains of documentation, videos, radar/IR intercept information - where's the beef? Where's the science? Where's the data analysis from the F18 fighters that recorded the incident? F18s are equipped with infrared search and track systems. Where's that data? Where's the thermal imaging of the heat signature? Did the pilot ping the object? What was the return?

All these incidents have one thing in common. No hard evidence. No data. No analysis. He mentions an "8 layer metal object", or something similar plus a warehouse full of UFO debris. Where's the metallurgical/material analysis?

If the government came out tomorrow morning and said that yes, we have evidence of alien visitation or alien probes, scientists are going to ask for hard evidence - and they don't want a mountain of documentation of eye witness accounts. If there are probes in our solar system, where's the spectroscopic data? If there is debris from a spacecraft, who determined that it was not from Earth? When he mentioned that the whole thing is a planned event, he was absolutely correct. Only it's not about "full disclosure". It's about something else. Could it be about Bigelow lining his pockets with taxpayer dollars?

As far as I can see, this is a lot of pomp and no circumstance so far. It's a diversionary tactic for something else. And given the low level of science education in this country, the average citizen isn't going to ask the hard questions. They're just going to eat it up and let the media be their guide. But to whoever is fronting this operation, remember there are those of us who see right through it. We're out there.

I could think of at least a dozen probable sources of hard data. For instance, there are hundreds of satellites in orbit roaming the Earth. A geosynchronous satellite or a satellite that was roaming the area of those sightings might have picked up something. Without the hard evidence, there's still nothing regardless what "the government" discloses.

Is there anyone who can provide some hard evidence that's freely available for analysis?

a reply to: AboveBoard

Excellent follow-up and food for thought. We certainly are in a cold war with Russia, and we're certainly led by a Russian sympathizer.

I realize this had been in the works for quite some time by "our side," but it seems like the final "ok" would always have to come from someone with a current agenda.

Still, the specific week/date it came out, it just seems to me it can't be a coincidence that it actually happened JUST as the war against the FBI (and by extension, the CIA/NSA ) really got going in the RW media.

Perhaps it proved useful on a couple levels?

a reply to: Phantom423

A satellite in geo-synchronous orbit would be 22,000 miles away, what exactly was it supposed to "pick-up"?

Most of our satellites are up there to send and receive radio transmissions, one could fly within 20 feet of it and the satellite would detect nothing b/c 90% of the satellites aren't up there "looking" for things.

The ones that ARE looking for things, are generally owned by someone's military and are not freely available for analysis.

Additionally, given that we have technology that eludes radar (and we think we know where we got it), why would you presume that any of our satellites could even detect most UFOs?

originally posted by: Scrubdog
a reply to: Phantom423

A satellite in geo-synchronous orbit would be 22,000 miles away, what exactly was it supposed to "pick-up"?

Most of our satellites are up there to send and receive radio transmissions, one could fly within 20 feet of it and the satellite would detect nothing b/c 90% of the satellites aren't up there "looking" for things.

The ones that ARE looking for things, are generally owned by someone's military and are not freely available for analysis.

Additionally, given that we have technology that eludes radar (and we think we know where we got it), why would you presume that any of our satellites could even detect most UFOs?

Also aircraft tracking:

blueskynetwork.com...

A satellite can detect a submarine. There's no reason why a satellite could not detect a UFO if it was positioned at the time of the event.




onlinelibrary.wiley.com...

a reply to: Realtruth

This certainly seems to be the ultimate agenda that's being pushed by multiple groups who have been involved in ufo/uap's. It's also to an extent being used as the ultimate-boogie man-light at the end of the tunnel-you REALLY didn't want to know did you? type answer.

To Bassplyr
Cameron is probably one of our last go too guys in ufology who hasn't been tainted with past scandals or implicated in promoting disinformation. So it's worth listening to his thoughts for context on situations.

Bassett is a lobbyist, altho unusually specifically a UFO Lobbyist so just assume he's going to be pushing an agenda. However he provides an insight (possibly warped) into the inner politics of disclosure as it would affect multiple agencies and politicians. Again, providing some context to the situation.

I found watching the video worthwhile altho since things are still developing I'm taking everything with a grain of salt.

Despite my distaste for dribbling out pieces parts I can see how politically otherwise there would be mayhem. The other reason given I think is bollocks, that the public is too stupid. Quite frankly if that were the case we could tell every geneticist, medical researcher, aerospace engineer etc to quit right now cause the general populace is too stupid to understand.

The religious ramifications are equally a fallacy argument since there was no great outcry after the Denslovian discovery. 'IF" the stereotype of the religious not believing the world is older than 6000 years were true there would have been rioting in the streets.

(Apologies if I used a incorrect analogy)

Not sure what's going on with the TTSA website, but Sacredlore posted this here www.abovetopsecret.com...

The number of investors and amount they've collected is all zeroed out

originally posted by: Caver78
a reply to: Realtruth


Despite my distaste for dribbling out pieces parts I can see how politically otherwise there would be mayhem. The other reason given I think is bollocks, that the public is too stupid. Quite frankly if that were the case we could tell every geneticist, medical researcher, aerospace engineer etc to quit right now cause the general populace is too stupid to understand.

The dribbling is more a call to consciousness, or a pointing out that what we may be "Experiencing" shortly isn't just our imaginations, or we collectively going crazy.

It's unfortunate that, in the past, UFO/ET related things have been ridiculed whether they were genuine or not. I was critical of Tom D myself here on ATS, but have given him some slack. What I don't like is the current interview that I saw with Tom and Joe Rogan. Rogan is a self-centered person, that has no business interviewing anyone. Just because Tom has difficulty explaining things doesn't give the interviewer a right to treat him like he did.

Rogan then goes on to whine, like a little girl, in other YouTube vids, so it's apparent that he doesn't care about UFO/ET's issues at all, but rather promoting his own agenda with as much drama, as he can muster.

Caver it's not so much we are to stupid to understand, it is rather we aren't tuned in properly. That will all change soon if people allow it.

originally posted by: vlawde
Not sure what's going on with the TTSA website, but Sacredlore posted this here www.abovetopsecret.com...

The number of investors and amount they've collected is all zeroed out

Huh. That's weird.

Possibly something's up with the site but could just be a glitch - maintenance on the site, etc.

It is still possible to invest if you click on the button, so I'm guessing someone either screwed up on the site's back-end and accidentally disabled the counter, or they are fixing something/removing the counter. They were well over 2.25 M last I saw.

???

No tweets about it yet.

originally posted by: BASSPLYR
a reply to: Realtruth

So without having to watch 1.25 hours of stuff.

What exactly are the political ramifications theyre propondering? And, what are they disclosing again exactly?

What makes basset and cameron in the know and believable other than they talk to each other and others like them in a highly insulated almost cult like community? What are their ties outside of the believer community that could corroborate their beliefs?

To me i see guys who have spent the better portion of their lives spinning their tires looking for evidence to afirm their beliefs who get strung along by conmen that tell them what they want to hear. It appears they are getting overly excieted about this latest ttsa/et al act and putting the cart before the horse. It seems pathalogical. Desperate and sorta sad.

Maybe this was answered...


The Bassett guy says the PTB were planning to disclose under Hillary. Trump's surprised election stopped that. They regrouped and did a plan b.

Also, he says they are not sure they want to disclose under Trump.

He also speculates that another country might disclose

originally posted by: Phantom423

originally posted by: Scrubdog
a reply to: Phantom423

A satellite in geo-synchronous orbit would be 22,000 miles away, what exactly was it supposed to "pick-up"?

Most of our satellites are up there to send and receive radio transmissions, one could fly within 20 feet of it and the satellite would detect nothing b/c 90% of the satellites aren't up there "looking" for things.

The ones that ARE looking for things, are generally owned by someone's military and are not freely available for analysis.

Additionally, given that we have technology that eludes radar (and we think we know where we got it), why would you presume that any of our satellites could even detect most UFOs?

Also aircraft tracking:

blueskynetwork.com...

A satellite can detect a submarine. There's no reason why a satellite could not detect a UFO if it was positioned at the time of the event.

onlinelibrary.wiley.com...

So, are you saying that the government should have included hard date from these satellites in the footage released? It's a fair question, to be sure, I'm just asking if that's your point?

It's my understanding (indeed my presumption in much of what I've written) that the "Government" is not acting as one entity right now, and I''d be willing to wager that the W.H. had no idea this was coming. I believe the leaked footage and release came about through a specific door, while 100 others remained closed.

I would presume that the type of supporting data you want remains classified for reasons even beyond UFOs. Does the government want to broadcast how good our satellites that find submarines are or are not? Do they want to show how quickly they can reassign a satellite that's following a Russian sub to a disturbance near an air craft carrier over the Pacific? Do they want to show that they don't have very good coverage of something "real time" like this?

All considerations that I can see as justification for holding back the type of supporting material that you're quite reasonably wanting to see. But, again, my biggest presumption is there is no ONE "PTB" holding this material, and to get coverage, soup to nuts, of everything you want would require a coordinated release of information across departments, the type requiring a presidential release of material. And, that, I think we can safely assume is not happening right now.

Wow sounds like major backpeddling by basset.

So basically we 'were totally going to disclose if clinton won but now because trumps here nope! Were taking our toys and going home. Maybe it wont be raining tomorrow (next presidental election) and well disclose then.' followed by **Pouty face**

This is getting sadder and more cringeworthy.

a reply to: Willtell

Dayum it's even Trump's fault we're not getting Disclosure---Amazing Super-Villain that he is. Probably a Reptilian Lover too.

Could Basset be anymore of a clown? That's rhetorical of course.

Use your own brain and remember who we're dealing with. It simplifies things greatly.

originally posted by: The GUT
a reply to: Willtell

Dayum it's even Trump's fault we're not getting Disclosure---Amazing Super-Villain that he is. Probably a Reptilian Lover too.

Could Basset be anymore of a clown? That's rhetorical of course.

Use your own brain and remember who we're dealing with. It simplifies things greatly.

He really didn’t seem like a political guy, wasn’t at all getting on Trump.

Just stating his opinion, which he emphasized was speculation.

Both of these guys said they weren't deep state believers--then in the same breath talked about the powers that be, which are the deep state, right ?

a reply to: Willtell


This makes no sense. If disclosure happened under Trump, would people like you think that it was some way to divert the Americans attention? I ask because it makes no sense that an event that happened back in 2004, and a congressional group that was formed in 2007 and only lasted for 5 years kept this all hush hush, but during Trumps time in office we learn about it.


India has a very openness about UFO's and UAP's. Does that count as another country going full disclosure, or does that idea of full disclosure only apply to the US?

I'm sorry if I come across as sarcastic, but all this Trump bashing for the sake of Trump bashing is really tiring to read. Like him or not, he has increased the budget for NASA, Open stated that we are going back to the Moon while also having NASA present a plan to get there in conjunction with Private companies, and has allowed for this UAP/UFO info to be released to the public. Seems to me that if you're a pro-space person, then Trumps not a bad guy.

To the issue of "TPTB" if they could have kept the other PotUS quiet about all of this, then why can't they keep Trump quiet? Seems to me that "TPTB" don't have any power over the current US President. That seems like a win-win for all of us. We've gotten the JFK files released, J. McCain's document released, the Congressional sex fund made public, and this UFO thing released. I wonder what else we'll learn about over the next 3+ years?

a reply to: Guyfriday

Not a Trump bash at all…

I listened to most of it and it WASN’T A Trump bash.

This was all UFO talk

The Trump talk was all objective, not a political attack at all, just the guys opinion based on all the Hillary/Podesta/TDL Emails before the election.

You know I wasn’t going to mention Trump, since I don’t want to derail the important conversation with political crap. I thought some people would take it as a political bash. I’m saying IT WASN’T

Just go to 35 minutes in the rap and hear it yourself

Also, the guy said Trump had to approve this

a reply to: Willtell

I am becoming extremely suspicious of the fact that no serious UFO researcher is discussing the quite potentially damning video analysis (debunking), like the videos CObzz just posted.

Unless I've missed it, someone please correct me if I'm wrong. But I haven't heard any comment on these compelling debunking efforts from any of the well known researchers here at ATS, nor from Greer or Cameron, nor any guest or host on Coast to Coast AM or Fade to Black. Let alone TTS/AAS.

Failure by the 'main players' to address or even acknowledge the serious holes in the evidence must not be ignored.

Unless I'm wrong.
Somebody please tell me where I'm wrong.

DP