Roy Moore's accuser has admitted to faking the yearbook.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Well, well... Yet another tactic of the left is shown to be nothing but BS, alongside pretty much every other claim made by the left.

You have got to wonder... When is the left going to admit that the large majority of their claims are BS, and lies they keep making up because they can't believe their idol Shillary lost.

originally posted by: Greven
a reply to: butcherguy

About Roy Moore

During his legal career, Judge Moore became the first full-time Deputy District Attorney in Etowah County, Alabama, and served in this position from 1977 until 1982. In 1984, Judge Moore undertook private practice of law in Gadsden, Alabama.

Given this was right before Christmas in '77, it's safe to say he was before that was written.

I asked when was he the DA.
You told me when he was the assistant.
There is just one DA.

When was he the DA?

a reply to: Greven

Yep... but not to get into the minutia on this. Not sure we require anything terribly complex to determine that there was clearly 2 different pens used to sign this yearbook.

A couple of other things... and folks really might want to ponder it without this case being in focus....

We are "trying" all these cases in the court of public opinion. Dismissing this HUGE issue of the signature, because we think Moore is a dirtbag who likes teen girls... we are completely comfortable doing so because the bar of evidence is between our ears, and in a pretty big way, ends where our politics ends.

All of this stuff is being led by the media and their sympathies and butt-hurt-ness over the 2016 election.

The fact we are in a time where dirtbag predators are being outed big time is an important moment for America. But don't kid yourself. Accusations are going to be weaponized for the politics of destruction, and people will have their lives ruined because of those accusations, by people with malice who want to ruin them, or get them out of the way.

That may have happened already. I detest Al Franken... and our politics couldn't be further apart. But the guy was tied to the tracks by the Dems and he was made a sacrifice by those "in power" in the DNC.

Don't kid yourself. They said publicly he should resign. The real question was who talked to him one on one and told him what they were going to do to him and his reputation if he DIDN'T resign.

Most folks in America are too wrapped up in their confirmation bias to recognize that the sedan of state has been driven out on the ice... and the ice is VERY very thin where we are.

This stuff about the sexual predation inside DC is the teeny tiny tip of the iceberg... it's way WAY worse, what really goes on.

Another things folks should wrap their minds around: There are significant numbers of folks inside the power structure, that have done things that would shock most average Americans. These people would choose thermonuclear war, over having their laundry aired... and they would do it without hesitation... and that's because of the KINDS of skeletons they have in their closets.

If what is going on on the other side, not the trump side doesn't scare you... you haven't been paying attention AT ALL.

a reply to: Greven

townhall.com...


"But the most damning evidence of forgery comes from Allred herself. When CNN’s Wolf Blitzer asked her directly: “Can you say flatly to our viewers that the signature is not a forgery?” Allred refused to answer his persistent question. She told Blitzer she would only release the yearbook for examination by hand-writing experts if and when a Senate committee calls a special hearing. Which she knows perfectly well they will not do for a candidate -- and time-wise it’s impossible prior to the December 12 Alabama election."

Personally... I am not sure what to believe. Moore would be more likely to support legislation congruent with my preferences... but, he might be a dirtbag. He might not.

This whole thing with the signature casts a pretty long shadow on this ladies reputation. Of course, her first mistake was throwing in with a media whore like Gloria Allred. She probably has a room in her house with walls papered by photos of her at each of her news conferences.

Here's another curious question for all of us: What has happened to news and journalism, that this blatantly obvious anomaly in the yearbook, took weeks to float up as a topic of discussion in the media?

originally posted by: dasman888
a reply to: Greven

Yep... but not to get into the minutia on this. Not sure we require anything terribly complex to determine that there was clearly 2 different pens used to sign this yearbook.

A couple of other things... and folks really might want to ponder it without this case being in focus....

We are "trying" all these cases in the court of public opinion. Dismissing this HUGE issue of the signature, because we think Moore is a dirtbag who likes teen girls... we are completely comfortable doing so because the bar of evidence is between our ears, and in a pretty big way, ends where our politics ends.

All of this stuff is being led by the media and their sympathies and butt-hurt-ness over the 2016 election.

The fact we are in a time where dirtbag predators are being outed big time is an important moment for America. But don't kid yourself. Accusations are going to be weaponized for the politics of destruction, and people will have their lives ruined because of those accusations, by people with malice who want to ruin them, or get them out of the way.

That may have happened already. I detest Al Franken... and our politics couldn't be further apart. But the guy was tied to the tracks by the Dems and he was made a sacrifice by those "in power" in the DNC.

Don't kid yourself. They said publicly he should resign. The real question was who talked to him one on one and told him what they were going to do to him and his reputation if he DIDN'T resign.

Most folks in America are too wrapped up in their confirmation bias to recognize that the sedan of state has been driven out on the ice... and the ice is VERY very thin where we are.

This stuff about the sexual predation inside DC is the teeny tiny tip of the iceberg... it's way WAY worse, what really goes on.

Another things folks should wrap their minds around: There are significant numbers of folks inside the power structure, that have done things that would shock most average Americans. These people would choose thermonuclear war, over having their laundry aired... and they would do it without hesitation... and that's because of the KINDS of skeletons they have in their closets.

If what is going on on the other side, not the trump side doesn't scare you... you haven't been paying attention AT ALL.

The problem with looking at photos like this is that our eyes lie. For example, look at this picture:

Every word in this is the same color - kind of a light turquoise.

Even still, that photo appears sharper than the one I had to work with.

There are dangers in false accusations... but there must also be recognition that powerful men are likely to get away with things up until everyone starts shouting about it.

I don't think Roy Moore is a pedophile, but I do think he had rather immature social skills at the time, and went after younger women.

I mean, his wife is the same age range as his accusers. He reckoned that he dated his now-wife in 1984 or 1985. She was 23 or 24 at the time he was 37 or 38.

a reply to: soberbacchus

Leigh Corfman
Roy Moore initiated a sexual encounter with 14-year-old Leigh Corfman when he was a 32-year-old district attorney.

Corfman claims Moore initiated a sexual encounter. As I already explained, her story is as full of holes as a wheel of Swiss cheese.

Wendy Miller
The allegations: Wendy Miller told the Post that she met Moore when she was 14 and working at Gadsden Mall. She claimed that Moore asked her out on dates when she was 16, but her mother forbid her from going out with Moore.

Meeting a 14 year old girl is not illegal or immoral.

Age of consent in Alabama is and was 16. They never actually dated, even according to Ms. Miller. Nothing illegal or immoral considering the time period.

Debbie Wesson Gibson
The allegations: Debbie Wesson Gibson told the Post that Moore first asked her out in 1981, when she was 17, after he had spoken to her high school civics class

Age of consent in Alabama is and was 16. They never actually dated, even according to Ms. Gibson. Nothing illegal or immoral considering the time period.

Gloria Thacker Deason
told the Post that she met Moore when she was 18 at the department store where she worked at the Gadsden Mall. She said they dated on and off over several months, including dates where they drank wine

Age of consent in Alabama is and was 16. Drinking age is 19, but Etowah County was a dry county back then. Whiskey or beer could be gotten from a bootlegger, but wine was hard to come by.

Hint: that means that while drinking was legal age for 19 and up, having something to drink was illegal.

Beverly Young Nelson
Beverly Young Nelson said that Moore sexually assaulted her in 1977 when she was just 16. She claims that Moore offered to drive her home from her job waitressing at a restaurant and then groped her and forced her head toward his crotch.

I already explained the holes in her story above. You rally should read posts you reply to.

Tina Johnson
told AL.com that Moore groped her in 1991 when she visited his law office with her mother. Johnson, who was 28 years old at the time, said Moore complimented her appearance throughout the meeting and then grabbed her butt when her mother had left the room.

I already said that above. Again, try reading the posts.

Gena Richardson
In an interview with the Post published on Nov. 15, Gena Richardson said that she first met Moore at Gadsden Mall in 1977 either before or just after her 18th birthday. She said that she declined to give him her phone number, and Moore then called her at school to ask her out.

Age of consent in Alabama is and was 16. They never actually dated, even according to Ms. Richardson. Nothing illegal or immoral considering the time period.

Only Corfman, Nelson, and Johnson have alleged anything untoward. The others levied no actual charges, only anecdotes that can only be taken as inappropriate by those wanting to destroy Moore. In other words, no details that could be considered as wrong, only "Me too!"

TheRedneck

a reply to: Greven

If those younger women he went after were of a legal age, and he didn't assault them, should be still be forced to drop out?

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Greven

If those younger women he went after were of a legal age, and he didn't assault them, should be still be forced to drop out?

Not if that is the case, no. It's still weird.

I'm more bothered about this, personally.

a reply to: butcherguy

Moore never signed his name "Roy Moore DA". The DA was the initials of his court assistant from years later, who frequently stamped his name and added her initials.

At the time he was a Deputy District Attorney... not the DA.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Greven

Further let's look at your picture.

Lets say is say ok, I am willing to believe that is all the same color, but I was wondering if we could take it to a neutrel expert to verify your claim.

Why would you say no?

Now yes, in this example, you are right about that picture.

But the point is, it is not as simple as your picture example implies.

The difficulty among the stories with accusations is that 90 percent of the time there is no physical evidence.

But here we at least have some that both sides say the other is lying.

So let's get it independently looked at and see who is telling the truth.

The fact Moore wants that done, but Nelson doesnt, proves to me I should take her accusation with a grain of salt.

a reply to: Greven

I certainly agree with that...

Greven, read the TownHall piece linked right above this and your last post. HUGE issue brought up there.

The yearbook is signed "Roy Moore DA".

As is discussed... Roy Moore never was the DA, yet court documents all were signed "Roy Moore/DA"

Those initials didn't mean District Attorney... they meant Delbra Adams, Moore’s longtime assistant and secretary... and she put them there as a "cover signature" nomenclature to document she had signed the orders via authorization of her boss, Judge Moore.

Whoever added them to the signature in the yearbook... thought they meant District Attorney... of course, unless somehow Delbra Adams was in the habit of signing things for Moore, 12 years before she worked for him. Whoever added that stuff to the yearbook, unwittingly signed into existence PROOF that there is a forgery going on here. Damn.

This whole thing... in my opinion... just got kicked up a notch to a criminal conspiracy in my mind. This lady better get a different attorney... a criminal attorney.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Greven

If those younger women he went after were of a legal age, and he didn't assault them, should be still be forced to drop out?

Not if that is the case, no. It's still weird.

I'm more bothered about this, personally.

Well at least you are saying that dating young legal girls wouldn't be enough to force him out.

But the example you give is definitely not a reason either.

He is just saying families are impirtant, not that slavery didn't suck.

I know it's vogue to say this country has always been evil and terrible.

But I don't think Moore was condoning slavery.

Topic for another thread.

so half of the yearbook message is real? also has it been proven false that an alabama mall banned him?

a reply to: Greven

So having tightly-knit families is a bad thing?

TheRedneck

originally posted by: conspiracy nut
so half of the yearbook message is real? also has it been proven false that an alabama mall banned him?

I don't understand this argument.

We found out she lied about a part of the year book signing.

So people say "half was wrong, therefore the other half must be right"

That is nonsense!

a reply to: TheRedneck

Which... means that whoever added that part of the signature, referenced documents with Moore's signature that were minimum 12 years older...

They just literally signed onto a criminal conspiracy, and certainly left themselves open to a civil suit for defamation

a reply to: conspiracy nut

Yes, by the head of security at the mall at the time. I'll try to find a link.

TheRedneck

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: Greven

So having tightly-knit families is a bad thing?

TheRedneck

Yeah uh let me just quote that if we're gonna talk about it:

In response to a question from one of the only African Americans in the audience — who asked when Moore thought America was last "great" -- Moore acknowledged the nation's history of racial divisions, but said: "I think it was great at the time when families were united — even though we had slavery — they cared for one another…. Our families were strong, our country had a direction."

Bringing up a time when slavery existed as the last time America was great in response to a question by a black guy... probably not the best move.

He's either really dumb or intentionally inflammatory.

a reply to: dasman888

Nelson had access to Roy Moore's signature with Delbra Adams initials... remember? He signed her divorce papers. As "Roy Moore / DA."

TheRedneck