Roy Moore's accuser has admitted to faking the yearbook.

originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: [post=22938241]

Considering she is attempting to destroy a man's life and career, I don't think it's a minor detail as to how truthful she is.

TheRedneck

Considering 8 women and virtually his entire home town have said he preyed on teenage girls and one 14 year old explained how he tried to rape her behind a diner, perhaps women are just hoping to be heard?

I could care less about this monsters career.

Y'all see this twist going on, right?

The important part of the yearbook is the signature that says "Roy Moore" plain as day.

In her initial video, she didn't say he wrote the 12-22-77 date, which is below said signature and above "Olde Hickory House" at the bottom.

Breitbart claimed that she admitted to fabricating the yearbook in the title of the article.

She did not admit any such thing.

Breitbart then claimed she admitted to fabrication a portion of the yearbook in the article.

She did not admit any such thing.
The closest stretch to this is apparently her clarifying that she added the "12-22-77" (which she did not mention when reading it off) and the "Olde Hickory House" to the bottom. I have not seen any video of her saying this bit - has anyone found one? I'm not necessarily doubting it, as she mentioned adding notes, but I haven't seen where she explicitly said that.

Breitbart also claimed she had a motive for forgery due to divorce case where Moore ruled against her.

This is an outright fabrication, as the divorce case was dismissed AT HER REQUEST, and he wasn't even the one presiding over her case (only signed off on the dismissal).

How many lies must an article contain before you admit that it is a hoax?

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
The headline is very misleading, if not an outright lie.

I’m not saying that her accusation is true at all...

But your title, and Breitbart’s title, are both inaccurate.

The title may put "words in her mouth" that she didn't say but the inference of her original story, press conference, and having photos taken of her holding up the book were certainly woven out of whole cloth.

Look at a close up of the Yearbook... he ended his signature with "Roy" and what did SHE add? His last name... in a script that looked like a match for HIS. Which, we now know wasn't a match... because SHE wrote it.

Like everyone else... I can only go by what the media and the Moore camp say. I think the guys kind of a dirtbag, personally. But even dirtbags don't have a right to engage in false accusations. This may or may not be that... but then...

...Gloria Allred... every time I see that lady turn up at a news conference I feel like I am being conned.

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: DrakeMorningstar
Well until the rest of the signature is debunked as not being Roy Moore's, I will give her the benefit of the doubt.

I also have not seen his other accusers being debunked. If this woman is lying, there is still the other accusers.

So Moore is guilty until proven innocent.

Even on this yearbook thing.

I'd we prove that she lied about some of it, you still believe the rest until very word is debunked.

But she can easily prove it, yet she choses not to release to yearbook to am6independent expert.

Moore is a suspect until he is proven not to be. He is not guilty of anything yet but he is neither innocent of anything yet.

People seem willing to say she is a liar about all of the signature due to that small part. If Moore was caught lying or changed his story, then why are they not attacking him the same way?

originally posted by: dasman888

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
The headline is very misleading, if not an outright lie.

I’m not saying that her accusation is true at all...

But your title, and Breitbart’s title, are both inaccurate.

The title may put "words in her mouth" that she didn't say but the inference of her original story, press conference, and having photos taken of her holding up the book were certainly woven out of whole cloth.

Look at a close up of the Yearbook... he ended his signature with "Roy" and what did SHE add? His last name... in a script that looked like a match for HIS. Which, we now know wasn't a match... because SHE wrote it.

Like everyone else... I can only go by what the media and the Moore camp say. I think the guys kind of a dirtbag, personally. But even dirtbags don't have a right to engage in false accusations. This may or may not be that... but then...

...Gloria Allred... every time I see that lady turn up at a news conference I feel like I am being conned.

If the article claimed there was a discrepancy in what she said then versus what she said now, that would be just fine. That's not how Breitbart chose to go, though.

Where, exactly, did she say she added "Moore" to it?

I'm still looking for a video what she added.

Not quite right... SHE signed HIS last name. LOOK at the image. Plain as day.

FWIW... this really does make her look bad. (Allred ALWAYS looks bad.)

But to say this means he didn't do what he was accused of, is a logical fallacy. We don't know, and probably never will.

originally posted by: Greven
Y'all see this twist going on, right?

The important part of the yearbook is the signature that says "Roy Moore" plain as day.

In her initial video, she didn't say he wrote the 12-22-77 date, which is below said signature and above "Olde Hickory House" at the bottom.

Breitbart claimed that she admitted to fabricating the yearbook in the title of the article.

She did not admit any such thing.

Breitbart then claimed she admitted to fabrication a portion of the yearbook in the article.

She did not admit any such thing.
The closest stretch to this is apparently her clarifying that she added the "12-22-77" (which she did not mention when reading it off) and the "Olde Hickory House" to the bottom. I have not seen any video of her saying this bit - has anyone found one? I'm not necessarily doubting it, as she mentioned adding notes, but I haven't seen where she explicitly said that.

Breitbart also claimed she had a motive for forgery due to divorce case where Moore ruled against her.

This is an outright fabrication, as the divorce case was dismissed AT HER REQUEST, and he wasn't even the one presiding over her case (only signed off on the dismissal).

How many lies must an article contain before you admit that it is a hoax?

I am still wondering why this thread is not in the hoax forum, when it has been proven she did not admit to forging his signature. She only said she added the date, so the entire thread premise is BS.

originally posted by: DrakeMorningstar

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: DrakeMorningstar
Well until the rest of the signature is debunked as not being Roy Moore's, I will give her the benefit of the doubt.

I also have not seen his other accusers being debunked. If this woman is lying, there is still the other accusers.

So Moore is guilty until proven innocent.

Even on this yearbook thing.

I'd we prove that she lied about some of it, you still believe the rest until very word is debunked.

But she can easily prove it, yet she choses not to release to yearbook to am6independent expert.

Moore is a suspect until he is proven not to be. He is not guilty of anything yet but he is neither innocent of anything yet.

People seem willing to say she is a liar about all of the signature due to that small part. If Moore was caught lying or changed his story, then why are they not attacking him the same way?

I agree with this actually.

She did lie. However, she may be telling the truth about the rest of the message.

And even if she is a liar, Moore could still be guilty of the others charges.

I don't know.

But this woman can prove some of her claims by letting an independent expert look at the yearbook, but she won't.

And again i say, I didn't think Frank's or Conyers should resign based merely on accusations.

originally posted by: dasman888
Not quite right... SHE signed HIS last name. LOOK at the image. Plain as day.

FWIW... this really does make her look bad. (Allred ALWAYS looks bad.)

But to say this means he didn't do what he was accused of, is a logical fallacy. We don't know, and probably never will.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I haven't seen her admit to such.

Awhile back, people brought up ink colors - this is roughly the darkest color in (almost) every word, circling the word(s) where said color was obtained:

a reply to: soberbacchus

Considering 8 women and virtually his entire home town

There have been 3 allegations of misconduct:

Leigh Corfman, who accuses Moore of sexual contact with her when she was 14 in 1979. However, the time frame she describes of the encounters is physically impossible.

Beverly Young Nelson claims Moore assaulted her at the Olde Hickory House (the subject of this thread). She also has gotten several details about the position and construction of the Olde Hickory House wrong, including the fact that he parked behind the building next to the dumpsters in a dark area. Directly behind the building was the side yard of a house. The dumpster was on the side, next to the wrap-around porch, and the entire area was well-lit (from those who worked there during that time).

Tina Johnson claims that, when she was 28, Moore made sexually explicit comments to her at his law office and grabbed her butt.

There have also been 6 women who made allegations, but none of them have been able to come up with any details whatsoever. Essentially, all they said was "He assaulted me too."

Your so-called 'facts' are nothing more than propaganda and talking points. Please stop embarrassing yourself.

TheRedneck

a reply to: Greven

Imagine for a moment that you had bought so deeply into the identity politics that you viewed each election as a personal contest determining your worth.
Would you defend a sexual predator that preyed on teen-age girls, despite knowing in your heart and mind that the accusations are true?
Would you if it was your daughter?, mother?, sister?
Mind you virtually all these accusers are life-long republicans.

You wont convince anyone here with facts or evidence or testimony.

The part of them that matters already knows the truth.

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: dasman888

originally posted by: Hazardous1408
The headline is very misleading, if not an outright lie.

I’m not saying that her accusation is true at all...

But your title, and Breitbart’s title, are both inaccurate.

The title may put "words in her mouth" that she didn't say but the inference of her original story, press conference, and having photos taken of her holding up the book were certainly woven out of whole cloth.

Look at a close up of the Yearbook... he ended his signature with "Roy" and what did SHE add? His last name... in a script that looked like a match for HIS. Which, we now know wasn't a match... because SHE wrote it.

Like everyone else... I can only go by what the media and the Moore camp say. I think the guys kind of a dirtbag, personally. But even dirtbags don't have a right to engage in false accusations. This may or may not be that... but then...

...Gloria Allred... every time I see that lady turn up at a news conference I feel like I am being conned.

Where, exactly, did she say she added "Moore" to it?

I'm still looking for a video what she added.

I don't know that she did. You seem to believe this is a text driven exhibit... the original accusation with the yearbook, and the close up of the inscription with TWO different colored inks... is not subtle. It's plain as day.

If you were to be told ONLY 1.) that she accused him, and stated he signed her yearbook, and 2.) you saw the CNN photo of the yearbook... the first thing you or anyone else will see, easily is, it was signed by 2 different pens.

When I saw it... I was suspicious immediately that it was tampered with. But, frankly, I kinda didn't really pay much attention to the whole story anyway. I don't live in Alabama... and I couldn't give a rats behind about Roy Moore.

To me... this is old news, and the topic came up back when this first came out, because it was plain as day... 2 different colored inks used in the short signature... starting with "... Moore". Roy was in black ink... Moore in blue ink along with everything that came after it.

Find the pic, and you will see it plainly

originally posted by: Greven

originally posted by: dasman888
Not quite right... SHE signed HIS last name. LOOK at the image. Plain as day.

FWIW... this really does make her look bad. (Allred ALWAYS looks bad.)

But to say this means he didn't do what he was accused of, is a logical fallacy. We don't know, and probably never will.

I'm not saying you're wrong, but I haven't seen her admit to such.

Awhile back, people brought up ink colors - this is roughly the darkest color in (almost) every word, circling the word(s) where said color was obtained:

TERRIBLE photo of it... the accents actually obfuscate and make the obvious difficult to see... if you look at one without any circling, it's plain as day.

a reply to: Greven

This one is just a plain jane photo. Last thing in dark ink is "Roy" and everything after is in lighter blue ink. (I think I said "black and blue ink". I was basing it on memory. Looks more like dark blue and lighter blue... but different for sure)

a reply to: dasman888
The lower left appears significantly different than the upper right, visually - but it isn't tremendously different if you actually examine the colors with say, the eyedropper tool in MS Paint or something better.

Roy is [116 Red, 113 Green, 136 Blue]. Moore is [101, 108, 130]. These are fairly close.

For contrast:
Christmas is [108, 108, 120]. Love is [123, 118, 132].

e: what is the source on that particular photo?

a reply to: TheRedneck

Leigh Corfman
Roy Moore initiated a sexual encounter with 14-year-old Leigh Corfman when he was a 32-year-old district attorney.

Wendy Miller
The allegations: Wendy Miller told the Post that she met Moore when she was 14 and working at Gadsden Mall. She claimed that Moore asked her out on dates when she was 16, but her mother forbid her from going out with Moore.

Debbie Wesson Gibson
The allegations: Debbie Wesson Gibson told the Post that Moore first asked her out in 1981, when she was 17, after he had spoken to her high school civics class

Gloria Thacker Deason
told the Post that she met Moore when she was 18 at the department store where she worked at the Gadsden Mall. She said they dated on and off over several months, including dates where they drank wine

Beverly Young Nelson
Beverly Young Nelson said that Moore sexually assaulted her in 1977 when she was just 16. She claims that Moore offered to drive her home from her job waitressing at a restaurant and then groped her and forced her head toward his crotch.

Tina Johnson
told AL.com that Moore groped her in 1991 when she visited his law office with her mother. Johnson, who was 28 years old at the time, said Moore complimented her appearance throughout the meeting and then grabbed her butt when her mother had left the room.

Gena Richardson
In an interview with the Post published on Nov. 15, Gena Richardson said that she first met Moore at Gadsden Mall in 1977 either before or just after her 18th birthday. She said that she declined to give him her phone number, and Moore then called her at school to ask her out.

a reply to: soberbacchus

So other than the three cases redneck mentioned, nothing illegal execept may be giving an 18 year old wine.

Look it is weird for a guy to date a girl that young, but it was years ago, and it was legal.

This claims are not even close to on par with charges of sexual Assualt or rape.

The yearbook is signed 'Roy Moore DA'.

When was Moore the DA?

a reply to: soberbacchus

Well you are exposed for believing lies and then after the truth doesn't fit your narrative, you STILL want to use YOUR belief to destroy a man who up until one month ago was considered a man of high moral character. They do this when it is too late to take him off the ballot when he was controversial toward the leftist agenda for years.

a reply to: butcherguy

About Roy Moore

During his legal career, Judge Moore became the first full-time Deputy District Attorney in Etowah County, Alabama, and served in this position from 1977 until 1982. In 1984, Judge Moore undertook private practice of law in Gadsden, Alabama.

Given this was right before Christmas in '77, it's safe to say he was before that was written.