Flynn charged with one count of making false statement

a reply to: Iamonlyhuman

Oh it is...

originally posted by: aethertek
a reply to: face23785

So come on tell us, what does "nothingburger" taste like?

K~

So far it tastes like there's still no evidence of any organized collusion with the Russians by Trump and Trump is still your President.

originally posted by: aethertek
Just like the mob bosses Mueller's team have prosecuted before they are working up the ladder.
Who's next, Sessions, trump the younger maybe Kushner, well this ain't over by a long shot, more indictments to come.

K~

??I thought Mueller and his team were the mob??

Hey does every one remember Flynn braying at the RNC or what ever reactionary pig-fest he was at, to "Lock Her Up" & the crowd cheered & brayed in agreement.

LMAO Yes good times!

K~

originally posted by: face23785
The #resisters must be so excited they can't sit still. First the illegal got off all the serious charges (take that DRUMPFT!!!!) and now Flynn gets charged with a minor crime. These are the type of "wins" they're reduced to taking.

But but but Muh Russia!!

He will get a fine and probation.

a reply to: xuenchen

Good to see Russia is back in the news again, I missed her evil shenanigans. Hopefully this time, the proof that Trump colluded with Russia to steal/rig/win the 2016 election will finally be made manifest and justice can be served.

Now, all we have to do is link Flynns lying conversations with the Russian ambassador in December 2016 about US sanctions & UN Security Council voting tactics to Trumps November 2016 campaign success.

Those dates will be an issue to reconcile, I can't wait to read all the mental gymnastics as folks attempt to place Flynns proposed statement (when he actually pleads guilty) in some convoluted and weird-assed scenario that fits their pre-conceived narrative(s) that this all somehow related back to Trump colluding with Russia.

Now, I'm off to read the thread.

a reply to: xuenchen

Check your card you're missing the N. No bingo. Just go bi (bye) go (now).
Take your clock with you it's going all Salvador Dali on you. Drip...

a reply to: Sublimecraft

The conversations with the Russians were not illegal and still are not illegal. Lying to the FBI about meeting / speaking to them is the crime.

originally posted by: TheOneElectric


Edit:
Just to clarify:
Individuals aren't granted plea deals in complex criminal investigations dealing with high level white collar and political crimes involving multiple parties unless they are able to provide significant information regarding larger fish. Flynn getting what amounts to a tap on the wrist (a significant tap) means someone else is now a target and, more importantly, there is a plethora of useful information against that target. And who could that be?

Unless there was no strong evidence of anything else.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Guess none was warranted in this instance. Jealous?

originally posted by: face23785
The elephant in the room: Flynn lied to Pence.

If there was an organized collusion between the campaign and the Russians, why would Flynn have lied to Pence about talking to the Russian ambassador about sanctions? Flynn and some other underlings may be going down, but that puts a huge hole in the hopes of those that thought this would take down Trump and Pence.

...or maybe he didn't lie to Pence or anyone in the administration.

Unlike Papadopolous, Flynn is likely guilty of more serious offenses, namely his unregistered lobbying for Turkey. And yet, here he is pleading guilty to a lesser charge, indicating that he's made a deal with the Mueller team.

It could be that he has some information on Manafort. It could also be that there's yet another target in Mueller's sights about whose crimes Flynn has information.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Guess none was warranted in this instance. Jealous?

Immunity is invalidated of the person receiving it lies / omits / doesnt cooperate with the investigation.

Since there is ample evidence Clinton and her cronies did in fact lie they can still be charged and prosecuted.

Currently several Clinton lawyers are facing a possible disbarment out of NY state for willfully destroying evidence required by a subpoena / warrant.

originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: face23785
The elephant in the room: Flynn lied to Pence.

If there was an organized collusion between the campaign and the Russians, why would Flynn have lied to Pence about talking to the Russian ambassador about sanctions? Flynn and some other underlings may be going down, but that puts a huge hole in the hopes of those that thought this would take down Trump and Pence.

...or maybe he didn't lie to Pence or anyone in the administration.

Unlike Papadopolous, Flynn is likely guilty of more serious offenses, namely his unregistered lobbying for Turkey. And yet, here he is pleading guilty to a lesser charge, indicating that he's made a deal with the Mueller team.

It could be that he has some information on Manafort. It could also be that there's yet another target in Mueller's sights about whose crimes Flynn has information.

Lying to Pence is not a law violation. It is, however, a human resources issue.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: xuenchen

For crying out loud...go wind your watch or something. It's running down.

Well if Flynn told the Russians not to worry about Obama's sanctions, why hasn't Trump lifted those sanctions?

Pretty obvious what Flynn was really doing.

originally posted by: xuenchen

originally posted by: TheOneElectric


Edit:
Just to clarify:
Individuals aren't granted plea deals in complex criminal investigations dealing with high level white collar and political crimes involving multiple parties unless they are able to provide significant information regarding larger fish. Flynn getting what amounts to a tap on the wrist (a significant tap) means someone else is now a target and, more importantly, there is a plethora of useful information against that target. And who could that be?

Unless there was no strong evidence of anything else.

Exactly. This happened in the Clinton investigation. A bunch of low-level people got plea deals and immunity by promising to cooperate, and then told the FBI they didn't know anything. It depends how bad Mueller wanted his cooperation and whether he believed Flynn knew anything juicy. Flynn's lawyers of course are trying to play it close to the vest about what exactly he knows in the hopes of getting a deal. If he doesn't know much, they can't come out and tell Mueller that, because then Mueller says ok you're not worth much to us you don't get a deal. It's all complicated legal negotiating. We don't know how any of that went.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Guess none was warranted in this instance. Jealous?

Nope. But I am woke. You should try it sometime.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: xuenchen

What's the question? They listened to the Russians and whoopsy daisy here come Mike Flynn.. Ut oh...

All part of the plan.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: Sublimecraft

Lying to the FBI about meeting / speaking to them is the crime.

Ah, so lets exam human modus-operandi. Why lie to the FBI about meeting the Russian Ambassador? What motivated Flynn to lie and does that have anything to do with the original allegation that Russia interfered in the election?. Hillary made the allegation during the 2nd debate and on Nov 9th the MSM said the Russians are to blame for Hillarys defeat.

So, my question is: how does these actions by Flynn bear on any of the original allegations as above? Did this lying by Flynn lead to Trumps success or does it prove Russia interfered in the election?

originally posted by: theantediluvian

originally posted by: face23785
The elephant in the room: Flynn lied to Pence.

If there was an organized collusion between the campaign and the Russians, why would Flynn have lied to Pence about talking to the Russian ambassador about sanctions? Flynn and some other underlings may be going down, but that puts a huge hole in the hopes of those that thought this would take down Trump and Pence.

...or maybe he didn't lie to Pence or anyone in the administration.

Unlike Papadopolous, Flynn is likely guilty of more serious offenses, namely his unregistered lobbying for Turkey. And yet, here he is pleading guilty to a lesser charge, indicating that he's made a deal with the Mueller team.

It could be that he has some information on Manafort. It could also be that there's yet another target in Mueller's sights about whose crimes Flynn has information.

Maybe. But Pence and Flynn are both on record saying he lied. Do you have any reason to doubt that besides wishful thinking?