Flynn charged with one count of making false statement

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Mueller has rescinded Manaforts bail deal.
He was caught contacting ..... a russian....with ties to Russian Intel.

WTF people???

Implants do that !!

a reply to: Xcathdra

I agree with this post.

More than likely, members of the transition team won't be charged with the Logan act.

Although there is the possibility that Trump's campaign got intelligence from the Russian government, I don't think that is likely. There is evidence that Trump tried to set up a secret back channel with Russia, however.

There is also the possibility that the Russian government has been grooming Trump to work for them (believe it or not, that theory is out there), or that Trump worked together with Russia to organize the Twitter bots and fake news stories, and to rig the election. How likely do you think this is? I don't think it is likely but possible.

Do the FBI and Mueller know more about Trump than has been in the news? Do they buy into one of those other two theories?

a reply to: darkbake

The Logan Act is from 1799 and is unconstitutional as it violates the 1st and 5th amendments. Only 2 people have ever been charged under the act and the last person that was charged goes back to the mid 1800's.Secondly given Obama tours countries after Trump does and speaks to their government officials I doubt Democrats really want that law enforced.

I dont buy into the Russia Trump bs in the least. There is no evidence to support it for starters and secondly I believe Trump is being accused of what Clinton is guilty of. It is a tactic used by the Nazis. Blame your opponent of the very crimes you commit.

I am sure Mueller has access to info we dont however in the end does that info support charges?

Right now I am saying no.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
Mueller has rescinded Manaforts bail deal.
He was caught contacting ..... a russian....with ties to Russian Intel.

WTF people???

Author Disputes Mueller's Claim That Manafort Co-Wrote Op-Ed

A Ukrainian associate of Paul Manafort has come forward to say that Manafort didn't help him ghostwrite a sympathetic editorial about Manafort's lobbying work on behalf of the former Ukrainian government, Bloomberg reported.

Oleg Voloshyn, a former spokesman for Ukraine’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs under ex-President Viktor Yanukovych, told Bloomberg that he drafted the editorial to help burnish his longtime friend’s public image, which he felt had been unjustly tarnished by the Mueller probe, according to Bloomberg.

Voloshyn said he’d worked with Manafort on changing perceptions of Ukraine in the West when he was at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. He said he’d be happy to speak with the U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation about how he wrote the piece, which he said had nothing to do with the charges against Manafort.

Voloshyn said he sent it to Manafort only to make sure he didn’t get his facts wrong. "I can only guess they screen his email,” he said. “It’s a big scandal about nothing. The Kyiv Post is hardly known in America."

An odd case, but this guy is apparently one of Manafort's old buddies, and is trying to stick up for him.

originally posted by: darkbake

Although there is the possibility that Trump's campaign got intelligence from the Russian government, I don't think that is likely. There is evidence that Trump tried to set up a secret back channel with Russia, however.

There's a basic problem here. If Trump was trying to set up a secret back channel, doesn't that indicate that he didn't already have such contact? How was he supposed to be colluding with Russia with no communication?

Forget about evidence (or the lack thereof), the Russia Narrative fails simple logic.

Interesting -
Flynn could walk and the charge dropped since the FBI agent who was let go for bias failed to disclose that information.

It is a Giglio Violation -.

opinion, BURGER [HTML]

Syllabus

Petitioner filed a motion for a new trial on the basis of newly discovered evidence contending that the Government failed to disclose an alleged promise of leniency made to its key witness in return for his testimony. At a hearing on this motion, the Assistant United States Attorney who presented the case to the grand jury admitted that he promised the witness that he would not be prosecuted if he testified before the grand jury and at trial. The Assistant who tried the case was unaware of the promise. Held: Neither the Assistant's lack of authority nor his failure to inform his superiors and associates is controlling, and the prosecution's duty to present all material evidence to the jury was not fulfilled and constitutes a violation of due process requiring a new trial. Pp. 153—155.

Reversed and remanded.

Failing to disclose information to a grand jury is misleading and creates a Brady violation if its not disclosed to the defense.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Interesting -
Flynn could walk and the charge dropped since the FBI agent who was let go for bias failed to disclose that information.

It is a Giglio Violation -.

opinion, BURGER [HTML]

Syllabus

Petitioner filed a motion for a new trial on the basis of newly discovered evidence contending that the Government failed to disclose an alleged promise of leniency made to its key witness in return for his testimony. At a hearing on this motion, the Assistant United States Attorney who presented the case to the grand jury admitted that he promised the witness that he would not be prosecuted if he testified before the grand jury and at trial. The Assistant who tried the case was unaware of the promise. Held: Neither the Assistant's lack of authority nor his failure to inform his superiors and associates is controlling, and the prosecution's duty to present all material evidence to the jury was not fulfilled and constitutes a violation of due process requiring a new trial. Pp. 153—155.

Reversed and remanded.

Failing to disclose information to a grand jury is misleading and creates a Brady violation if its not disclosed to the defense.

Some legal experts think Manafort and Carter might walk due to improper search & seizure during the raid on Manafort's place.

Team Mueller is looking more & more like a bunch of knuckle-dragging gorillas every day.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
There's a basic problem here. If Trump was trying to set up a secret back channel, doesn't that indicate that he didn't already have such contact?

Nope.

Back-channels are for continuing communications without oversight...not to establish newly formed communications. How can one create a secret back-channel, without first having had communications and an agreement to do so in the first place.

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
There's a basic problem here. If Trump was trying to set up a secret back channel, doesn't that indicate that he didn't already have such contact?

Nope.

Back-channels are for continuing communications without oversight...not to establish newly formed communications. How can one create a secret back-channel, without first having had communications and an agreement to do so in the first place.

You're missing the point. The Russia Narrative alleges secret collusion between Trump and Russia to steal the election. How is Trump supposed to have been colluding if he did not already have some kind of back-channel contact? If it was by e-mails or phone calls or something obvious like that, the NSA would know about it. People on the congressional investigation committees have said several times they've seen no evidence of collusion with Russia, so it would seem there is no evidence of any such contact. So when & how is Trump supposed to have been communicating with Russia to steal the election? Again, attempting to establish back-channel communications implies that he doesn't already have anything similar, otherwise he would have no need for those back channels.

a reply to: xuenchen

Idiots too.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Ha ha. Wouldn't he???

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

They were looking for a way that didn't include sending people like Carter Page to Moscow all the time.

a reply to: Xcathdra

No. I'm sure these people do not make rookie errors.
What is the source of that? It sounds rather implausible.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Some hopeful peons are lighting candles and burning incense.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan

originally posted by: Xcathdra
Interesting -
Flynn could walk and the charge dropped since the FBI agent who was let go for bias failed to disclose that information.

It is a Giglio Violation -.

opinion, BURGER [HTML]

Syllabus

Petitioner filed a motion for a new trial on the basis of newly discovered evidence contending that the Government failed to disclose an alleged promise of leniency made to its key witness in return for his testimony. At a hearing on this motion, the Assistant United States Attorney who presented the case to the grand jury admitted that he promised the witness that he would not be prosecuted if he testified before the grand jury and at trial. The Assistant who tried the case was unaware of the promise. Held: Neither the Assistant's lack of authority nor his failure to inform his superiors and associates is controlling, and the prosecution's duty to present all material evidence to the jury was not fulfilled and constitutes a violation of due process requiring a new trial. Pp. 153—155.

Reversed and remanded.

Failing to disclose information to a grand jury is misleading and creates a Brady violation if its not disclosed to the defense.

Some legal experts think Manafort and Carter might walk due to improper search & seizure during the raid on Manafort's place.

Team Mueller is looking more & more like a bunch of knuckle-dragging gorillas every day.

Yeah the documents seized in Manaforts case that were not listed on the warrant were privileged documents dealing with his communications with his lawyer.

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: Xcathdra

No. I'm sure these people do not make rookie errors.
What is the source of that? It sounds rather implausible.

In this case its not a rookie mistake. It is an intentional violation of the law by people who know what they are doing.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
You're missing the point. The Russia Narrative alleges secret collusion between Trump and Russia to steal the election.

Actually, you may be missing the point. The "narrative" is that the Trump campaign were colluding with Russia. The investigation into Russian potential interference is a completely separate investigation although it seems the two are too often being interpreted as one. Whether or not Trump wanted to "steal the election" is secondary and perhaps a tertiary concern. The fact that he is compromised by Russian collusion is an entirely different matter and not at all related to the election.

How is Trump supposed to have been colluding if he did not already have some kind of back-channel contact?

He likely did, from all the years of Miss Universe etc.

If it was by e-mails or phone calls or something obvious like that, the NSA would know about it.

Which is precisely why his campaign is being investigated.

People on the congressional investigation committees have said several times they've seen no evidence of collusion with Russia, so it would seem there is no evidence of any such contact.

Congressional committees? They are a joke... a smokescreen at best. The real investigations are taking place right in Muellers Office suite, not by some blackop wannabe's sitting in their ivory towers.

a reply to: alphabetaone

There is no collusion between Trump and Russia. Repeating the lie doesnt make it true.

Did Contreras recuse himself because he's one of the judges sitting on the FISA court? Is he the one who approved the surveillance of the transition team (and by proxy Flynn)?