Flynn charged with one count of making false statement

originally posted by: MrPlow

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: alphabetaone

In legal terms, whataboutism is called precedent.

Oh come on now, don't undermine a liberal buzzword that helps them ignore arguments... it's not fair to them.

Yes well, in order for it to actually be legal precedent, specific case law would need to be cited.

What right-wing whataboutism amounts to is nothing more than childish deflection.

Nice try though.

I direct you to the Fourteenth Amendment and the Equal Protection Clause....the original authority for 'whataboutism.'

originally posted by: Xcathdra

originally posted by: alphabetaone

originally posted by: ketsuko
when an administration comes into power, it is not at all unusual for the heads of all major criminal depts. to be replaced by the president. I

Except, of course, when you go on national T.V. and declare that you were firing the Director of the FBI because of this "Russiar thing, with Trump and Russiar"

Except he was fired for his actions on handling the Clinton fiasco, among a few other failures.

Even now there is absolutely nothing that comes close to Trump colluding with Russia in order to win a presidential election.

I have to agree with you here. I don't believe Trump expected to win the Presidency. He believed Clinton's had it wrapped up through their own corrupt back door policies and was only expecting to shine the light on the election frauds.

Lo and behold...he was elected! He and his family were forced to come to terms and adjust the situation. It has to be awkward, but I think eventually they all will find their stride.

Ruh Roah..

CNN: White House claims Obama admin approved Flynn calls with Russian ambassador

The White House said on Friday that it was the Obama administration that authorized former national security adviser Michael Flynn's contacts with Russian Ambassador Sergey Kislyak during President Trump's transition, according to CNN.

Flynn pleaded guilty on Friday to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Kislyak in the month before Trump took office, the first current or former Trump White House official brought down by special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into Russia's election meddling.

Court records indicate that his communications with Kislyak were directed by a Trump transition official, with multiple news outlets reporting that official was Trump's son-in-law and senior adviser Jared Kushner.

“They are saying here at the White House that Flynn’s conversations with Sergey Kisylak were quote ‘authorized’ by the Obama administration,” CNN correspondent Jim Acosta said.

“We should point out, that is something that we have not heard before in terms of a defense from this White House,” he said.

click link for entire article...

and the blame games begin.

Talking to Russians is not a crime. Lying to FBI is a serious crime. Flynn being a former head of intelligence at Pentagon knew his calls with Kislyak are recorded. He is playing a game. For what? No one knows.

a reply to: Xcathdra


When did Obama fire Flynn?

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Xcathdra


When did Obama fire Flynn?

2014 I think.

originally posted by: FatSoldier
Talking to Russians is not a crime. Lying to FBI is a serious crime. Flynn being a former head of intelligence at Pentagon knew his calls with Kislyak are recorded. He is playing a game. For what? No one knows.

Now why was Flynns identity unmasked and for what purpose and by whom?

a reply to: Xcathdra

2014 was when Obama started supplying TOW missiles to rebels in Syria to fight SAA. Flynn was not approving of Obama so he resigned.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Xcathdra


When did Obama fire Flynn?

Hard to find anything about an actual "firing" by Obama.

"Other Pressure" may have been applied at the time.

jesus...

Washington Examiner‏Verified account @dcexaminer
2h2 hours ago

ABC News issues correction: Trump did not ask Michael Flynn to contact the Russians as a candidate washex.am...

originally posted by: Xcathdra
jesus...

Washington Examiner‏Verified account @dcexaminer
2h2 hours ago

ABC News issues correction: Trump did not ask Michael Flynn to contact the Russians as a candidate washex.am...

With this President, the irresponsible media's standard for anonymous sources is "Is it bad for Trump and do I want to believe it?" If the answers to those 2 questions are "Yes", the trustworthiness of the source is irrelevant and there is no need for further verification. Report it.

There used to be higher standards for using anonymous sources. I'm not totally against anonymous sources, but only if you can verify what they're telling you through other means, or they have a long history of providing you with accurate info. In this case, it seems the reporter heard what he wanted to hear, and was so excited that they FINALLY had evidence of collusion (because right now there's none), they couldn't think straight. They let their personal bias get in the way of objective journalism.

a reply to: face23785

If we're talking about Brian Ross, he was the same guy who rushed out the news that the Colorado Theater shooter was a Tea Party guy based on a rushed name search when there was only a partial name match. That's how strong his confirmation bias is.

Just ... FYI.

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: face23785

If we're talking about Brian Ross, he was the same guy who rushed out the news that the Colorado Theater shooter was a Tea Party guy based on a rushed name search when there was only a partial name match. That's how strong his confirmation bias is.

Just ... FYI.

Yeah I've heard that. Like I said, they heard what they wanted to hear because they've been dying for some proof of collusion for over a year, and when they thought they heard it it required no verification. They just really, really needed it to be true, so they reported it.

a reply to: Xcathdra


I love when our resident leftists get the trifecta: Proven wrong, shown it was their guy, and slapped by fake news. It's great.


To recap:
ABC: Flynn to testify against candidate trump
Leftists: Russia collusion will be proved! It's over trumpists!
ABC: Correction- Flynn will testify that trump did what every incoming admin does.

WH: We got Obama's permission for those meetings.
Leftists: *sobbing gently on a friends shoulder*

"In negotiating with the Kremlin before Mr. Trump's inauguration, the Trump transition team undermined the foreign policy of the sitting president. What's more, the Obama administration designed its sanctions against Russia as retaliation for election interference. Mr. Flynn apparently promised the next administration would review those sanctions --- meaning Mr. Trump's advisers sought to weaken the U.S. attempt to hold Russia accountable for its meddling."

quote: The Washington Post - EDITORALS - "The Russia Affair Expands - Mr. Flynn's guilty plea shows coordination with Moscow to undermine Mr. Obama's foreign policy." - Saturday, December 2, 2017

originally posted by: Erno86

"In negotiating with the Kremlin before Mr. Trump's inauguration, the Trump transition team undermined the foreign policy of the sitting president. What's more, the Obama administration designed its sanctions against Russia as retaliation for election interference. Mr. Flynn apparently promised the next administration would review those sanctions --- meaning Mr. Trump's advisers sought to weaken the U.S. attempt to hold Russia accountable for its meddling."

quote: The Washington Post - EDITORALS - "The Russia Affair Expands - Mr. Flynn's guilty plea shows coordination with Moscow to undermine Mr. Obama's foreign policy." - Saturday, December 2, 2017

Ah there it is... the shift... not election meddling, but now undermining "Obama's" foreign policy...

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Erno86

"In negotiating with the Kremlin before Mr. Trump's inauguration, the Trump transition team undermined the foreign policy of the sitting president. What's more, the Obama administration designed its sanctions against Russia as retaliation for election interference. Mr. Flynn apparently promised the next administration would review those sanctions --- meaning Mr. Trump's advisers sought to weaken the U.S. attempt to hold Russia accountable for its meddling."

quote: The Washington Post - EDITORALS - "The Russia Affair Expands - Mr. Flynn's guilty plea shows coordination with Moscow to undermine Mr. Obama's foreign policy." - Saturday, December 2, 2017

Ah there it is... the shift... not election meddling, but now undermining "Obama's" foreign policy...

Which is a false charge anyway. They didn't undermine Obama's foreign policy. They didn't interfere in any action between the administration and Russia. Actually they helped the administration by calming down an escalating situation.

They're pathetically desperate to spin this into something. They know the Russia bubble is burst and they're trying to salvage something, no matter how ridiculous.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

What makes you think I'm white?

a reply to: MotherMayEye

And you'll read this regardless of your claimed disinterest what I have to say.

His son isn't part of this deal.
And moreover plea deals are not illegal nor is it coercion.

"Flynn Flipped. Who's Next?
Well, well, well.
Should we say 'lock him up' yet?
Mr. Trump built and sustained his long, gaudy career by demanding loyalty from people to whom he gave nothing in return. He is not used to being on the short end of that deal."

quote: NYT's - Opinion - Saturday, December 2, 2017