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Why the Dossier may be the most serious political scandal the US has ever seen.
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originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: AboveBoard
Your definition of "foreign agent" is not technically correct.
It is technically correct.
He is a British citizen.
Not a US citizen.
Either foreign or domestic when it comes to matter of state.
He is foreign and was acting as an agent when he worked on the dossier.
SMH at Aboveboard for that crazy thought. How can it be any other way than Foreign agent?
Good points butcherguy.
originally posted by: AboveBoard
originally posted by: butcherguy
a reply to: AboveBoard
Your definition of "foreign agent" is not technically correct.
It is technically correct.
He is a British citizen.
Not a US citizen.
Either foreign or domestic when it comes to matter of state.
He is foreign and was acting as an agent when he worked on the dossier.
Was he acting on behalf of the Queen or Prime Minister or Parliament?
That would be hard to prove if this guy is a 'good' spy I would normally conclude.
originally posted by: Grambler
originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: Grambler
The question is how credible is the author of the report. Does he have a history of spreading false stories or does he have a history and reputation for gathering reliable intel.
All signs point to the author being a credible source of intelligence gathering. Highly regarded by the FBI, CIA and British Intelligence.
No that is not the question for two reasons.
First, we can already see that his report was wrong in areas with a quick look, like Cohen meeting Russian agents in prague.
Seond, the entire investigation is because Russia is attempting to screw with the US. So why would we trust russian agents, who are the source of Steele dossier.
Incorrect. A former MI-6 agent with a reputable history is the author of the document. The sources within the document are redacted, however are states as being Russian and also associates of the Trump campaign.
The guy is a Russia specialists who spent time in Moscow. He has contacts in Russia. When the FBI, CIA, or British Intelligence work with him, it's not about trusting his sources, it's about their trust in HIM, this former agent with decades of experience delivering solid intel.
I think you know this. This is again your little attempt at deflection. Not sure what horse you have in this race, but you seem pretty desperate to create confusion rather than use reason and intellect.
It's also telling that you don't want to admit the reputation and apparent credibility of the author. You struggle to keep that part out. Does your fantasy depend on denying even the most basic facts? You argument requires too much blindness.
a reply to: spiritualzombie
If this guy is so credible, how did he publish facts like Cohen meeting in Prague with Russians that would only take about 10 minutes to debunk?
Its real simple, either its ok to collude with russians, or it isn't.
Paying a well respected person to do the colluding is irrelevant.
If this guy is so credible, how did he publish facts like Cohen meeting in Prague with Russians that would only take about 10 minutes to debunk?
Its real simple, either its ok to collude with russians, or it isn't.
Paying a well respected person to do the colluding is irrelevant.
Here is what's being said now on Fox.
It seems the publication started the op research with Fusion, then Elias picked it up and they hired Steele.
$9 mil, alot of that money went to the russians, obviously.
It seems the publication started the op research with Fusion, then Elias picked it up and they hired Steele.
$9 mil, alot of that money went to the russians, obviously.
a reply to: Grambler
You're now suggesting Steele was paid to collude? Just how convoluted are you trying to go with this??
This is Grambler's yarn so far.... We know Russia hated Hillary, but Hillary colluded with Russia and this MI6 agent also colluded to create a story that Russia colluded with Trump, who Russia favored as President, to help Trump get elected, but REALLY to help Hillary, who they actually helped NOT get elected, so they could publish this report after the fact, to get the FBI to investigate Trump...... Is that your story because it really needs some work. It's extremely disjointed. LOL... I mean that's really stupid and I know you're not that stupid.
This seems more plausible to me.... Russia colluded with Trump and made an agreement that in exchange for their help against Hillary, Trump would agree to help Russia.
Simple. Backed by Trump's own words and actions and political positions. Backed by the report authored by a former MI-6 agent. Backed by the assessment of the CIA, FBI, and NSA that Russia engaged in a complex campaign to interfere with the 2016 election with efforts to hurt Hillary and help Donald Trump.
You're now suggesting Steele was paid to collude? Just how convoluted are you trying to go with this??
This is Grambler's yarn so far.... We know Russia hated Hillary, but Hillary colluded with Russia and this MI6 agent also colluded to create a story that Russia colluded with Trump, who Russia favored as President, to help Trump get elected, but REALLY to help Hillary, who they actually helped NOT get elected, so they could publish this report after the fact, to get the FBI to investigate Trump...... Is that your story because it really needs some work. It's extremely disjointed. LOL... I mean that's really stupid and I know you're not that stupid.
This seems more plausible to me.... Russia colluded with Trump and made an agreement that in exchange for their help against Hillary, Trump would agree to help Russia.
Simple. Backed by Trump's own words and actions and political positions. Backed by the report authored by a former MI-6 agent. Backed by the assessment of the CIA, FBI, and NSA that Russia engaged in a complex campaign to interfere with the 2016 election with efforts to hurt Hillary and help Donald Trump.
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originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
a reply to: spiritualzombie
You liberals have lost your way from a decade ago to such degrees its sickening and embarrassing.
For real. Once upon a Time if a Republican had cackled like Clinton did about Quaddafi, “We Came, we Saw, he Died.”, There would have been hell to pay from the Left. Now you Yahoos nominated such a person as President. Hope you are proud of yourselves.
a reply to: burgerbuddy
lol... oh you have FOX Business ?? Oh jeez, that changes everything...
I think I'll go with MI6, NSA, CIA, FBI findings.
Bet definitely keep us all abreast of FOX.
lol... oh you have FOX Business ?? Oh jeez, that changes everything...
I think I'll go with MI6, NSA, CIA, FBI findings.
Bet definitely keep us all abreast of FOX.
dailycaller.com...[e ditby]edit on 27-10-2017 by the2ofusr1 because: (no reason given)
The Washington Free Beacon, a website largely funded by billionaire hedge fund manager Paul Singer, is the mysterious Republican-linked client that first hired opposition research firm Fusion GPS to investigate Donald Trump during the presidential campaign. Free Beacon representatives informed the House Intelligence Committee of the relationship on Friday, the site’s editor-in-chief said in a statement on the website. The Washington Examiner and The New York Times first reported the news, which followed after the revelation this week that the law firm for the Clinton campaign and DNC had hired Fusion last year to produce the infamous Steele dossier. Free Beacon editor-in-chief Matthew Continetti said in a statement Friday that the site did not pay Fusion GPS for any part of the dossier. Fusion hired the firm in Oct. 2015. According to The Times, The Free Beacon ended the contract last May, as Trump ascended to the GOP nomination.
originally posted by: spiritualzombie
I think I'll go with MI6, NSA, CIA, FBI findings.
It'd be real interesting to see what you were saying when Obama sent the IRS after Tea Party groups.
To think he got the IRS to break the law just because he positioned the right people in the right places that didn't like Tea Partiers.
And here in the case of stopping Trump these were war criminal collaborators who possibly faced the firing squad, these CIA etc chumps.
Why do you love war criminals whom employ Al Qaeda so much, I'm just dying to know. Celebrate 9/11 much?
originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: burgerbuddy
lol... oh you have FOX Business ?? Oh jeez, that changes everything...
I think I'll go with MI6, NSA, CIA, FBI findings.
Bet definitely keep us all abreast of FOX.
I would to doyou have their findings? I only saw a brief that made claims of russian interference,but contained nothing as to how thry came to that conclusion other then crowdstrike. Because sadly the FBI admitted they were denied access to the DNC server,this is highly suspicious since the RNC gave them access. So the only evidence we have is a dossier we know has huge errors paid for by the DNC.and a company paid by the DNC to investigate a hack on their servers. Dont you think it a little odd that all the information on Russian collusion was paid for by the DNC????
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10/27/17 by dragonridr because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
originally posted by: spiritualzombie
I think I'll go with MI6, NSA, CIA, FBI findings.
It'd be real interesting to see what you were saying when Obama sent the IRS after Tea Party groups.
Celebrate 9/11 much?
LOL... Dude what topic are you discussing? I see a lot of serpentine action there...
originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: Grambler
You're now suggesting Steele was paid to collude? Just how convoluted are you trying to go with this??
Yes that is eactly what I am suggesting. The democrats were very explicit in how they defined collusion, especially with the Don Jr meeting.
Trying to get dirt on your opponent from a foreign or rival country.
Steele was paid to get dirt on Trump from Russian agents. Collusion.
Furthermore, Obama and his FBUI were fully aware that Steele source was russian agents, and not only did the possibly pay him, they may have also used that info to help get Fisa warrants.
This is Grambler's yarn so far.... We know Russia hated Hillary, but Hillary colluded with Russia and this MI6 agent also colluded to create a story that Russia colluded with Trump, who Russia favored as President, to help Trump get elected, but REALLY to help Hillary, who they actually helped NOT get elected, so they could publish this report after the fact, to get the FBI to investigate Trump...... Is that your story because it really needs some work. It's extremely disjointed. LOL... I mean that's really stupid and I know you're not that stupid.
Well perhaps the fact that you know I am not that stupid but you think this this should tell you you are misreaadding or misinterpreting that.
We know that as always, Russia wanted to mess with the US elections and system even after. We can probably safely assume that Russia like almost everyone else assumed Hillary was going to win, which shows that they were probably less concerned with helping a candidate as just throwing wrenches all over the place.
We know that their people were used to source this, and we know it was and continues to be very good at dividing the country.
So yes, it makes sense that this is what they did.
This seems more plausible to me.... Russia colluded with Trump and made an agreement that in exchange for their help against Hillary, Trump would agree to help Russia.
Simple. Backed by Trump's own words and actions and political positions. Backed by the report authored by a former MI-6 agent. Backed by the assessment of the CIA, FBI, and NSA that Russia engaged in a complex campaign to interfere with the 2016 election with efforts to hurt Hillary and help Donald Trump.
Um except they probably assumed Trump would lose. So now they have just ticked off the president.
And the biggest hole in that story is you have already conceded that the sources for the dossier were Kremlin connected people. Why in Gods name would they admit their scheme to Hillary and the dems before the election was over?
Again, you can deflect all you want, colluding with Russians to prove russian collusion is nonsense.
a reply to: dragonridr
Solid post... lol... Sarah Sanders would be proud...
Again, I'll stick with the MI6 agent, FBI, CIA, and NSA assessments...
Solid post... lol... Sarah Sanders would be proud...
Again, I'll stick with the MI6 agent, FBI, CIA, and NSA assessments...
a reply to: Grambler
I think you're spinning a yarn for an audience you know to be "less educated".
It's fairly obvious this narrative is meant to compete with the investigation of Trump's potential collusion with Russia.
The problem is, you don't have much, except your own creativity... which the only thing in your favor is the education level of your audience.
Sorry, bud, it's weak. You can do better.
I think you're spinning a yarn for an audience you know to be "less educated".
It's fairly obvious this narrative is meant to compete with the investigation of Trump's potential collusion with Russia.
The problem is, you don't have much, except your own creativity... which the only thing in your favor is the education level of your audience.
Sorry, bud, it's weak. You can do better.
a reply to: spiritualzombie
Because you keep insisting we worship people (Hillary, Obama, CIA, MI6) whom are responsible for over 400,000 deaths in Syria alone.
That's their motivation to stop Trump.
And various people within those groups came out trolling the MSM hard the whole past year, and I insist that's the reason.
So since some asshats in CIA etc said 'Trump is teh enemy of USA', that's your whole worldview here and to maintain it you keep citing them.
And until someone debunks me on my position I'm never going to let up on it.
Go watch some 9/11 videos since apparently you missed it. The CIA said that was Al Qaeda that did it, and here they are overthrowing governments with Al Qaeda while having their MSM cronies stomp around screaming it was a "genocide" and that it was all Russia's fault.
That is where the whole pattern of scapegoating Russia for all of Hillary's PR problems began, and it never let up from the WikiLeaks to Trump beating her and yada yada Russia's the scapegoat for her war crimes and there you go your whole worldview is based on these people whom are so evil Putin looks like Strawberry Shortcake in comparison.
They're TRAITORS to the United States, they're traitors to liberalism, they're traitors to the people whom died on 9/11, and the troops they all helped send into Iraq, the kind of people you insist we listen to.
Every watch a crime movie? And when the killer is wanted for murder the lengths they go thru to escape capture? That's what we're seeing here that's what it always was years before the election even started.
While you were obsessed with Obama the Messiah, he had the CIA etc tasked with overthrowing tiny nations while claiming he loves Muslim's. And where were the FBI, the NSA, the MSM to call him out on it. I dont know that Fox ever truly did at any point even for a moment.
Because you keep insisting we worship people (Hillary, Obama, CIA, MI6) whom are responsible for over 400,000 deaths in Syria alone.
That's their motivation to stop Trump.
And various people within those groups came out trolling the MSM hard the whole past year, and I insist that's the reason.
So since some asshats in CIA etc said 'Trump is teh enemy of USA', that's your whole worldview here and to maintain it you keep citing them.
And until someone debunks me on my position I'm never going to let up on it.
Go watch some 9/11 videos since apparently you missed it. The CIA said that was Al Qaeda that did it, and here they are overthrowing governments with Al Qaeda while having their MSM cronies stomp around screaming it was a "genocide" and that it was all Russia's fault.
That is where the whole pattern of scapegoating Russia for all of Hillary's PR problems began, and it never let up from the WikiLeaks to Trump beating her and yada yada Russia's the scapegoat for her war crimes and there you go your whole worldview is based on these people whom are so evil Putin looks like Strawberry Shortcake in comparison.
They're TRAITORS to the United States, they're traitors to liberalism, they're traitors to the people whom died on 9/11, and the troops they all helped send into Iraq, the kind of people you insist we listen to.
Every watch a crime movie? And when the killer is wanted for murder the lengths they go thru to escape capture? That's what we're seeing here that's what it always was years before the election even started.
While you were obsessed with Obama the Messiah, he had the CIA etc tasked with overthrowing tiny nations while claiming he loves Muslim's. And where were the FBI, the NSA, the MSM to call him out on it. I dont know that Fox ever truly did at any point even for a moment.
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by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss
So your suggestion is... don't listen to the CIA, FBI, or NSA... don't listen to the former MI-6 agent or the people who back his reputation.... but only listen to.... Trump? How about Russia Today? Would they be a source you recommend?
So your suggestion is... don't listen to the CIA, FBI, or NSA... don't listen to the former MI-6 agent or the people who back his reputation.... but only listen to.... Trump? How about Russia Today? Would they be a source you recommend?