Why the Dossier may be the most serious political scandal the US has ever seen.

Look, this goes very high and very deep which is why it has taken so long to finally reach this point. You can only lie for so long before people start to look for something else.

You see, it was mentioned that a RNC candidate had done the initial probing for information and it was picked up by the DNC. What this shows is collusion between the RNC and DNC and alphabet agencies during an election. The fix was in and none of them thought Trump would be around at Christmas. When he was and the RNC candidate was at a loss and knew nothing would happen it was then probed by Hillarys camp. Toss in Obama and his wanting to help and they thought they were bulletproof...they were not.

So this was one of two things

1. The RNC and DNC trying as hard as they could to kill the Trump candidacy....or
2. Was this to set up the RNC and DNC to show who they really are during the election season...

I mean, I find it odd that GW BUsh is suddenly in the limelight because of sexual harassment. I have always said those in power only get caught when they do not play ball with the real players that control us. Could low energy and his clan be the candidate who wanted it researched?

originally posted by: FauxMulder

originally posted by: AboveBoard
a reply to: FauxMulder

You guys are on the wrong side of James Bond on this one...and the Bond Villain is in the White House...

"Gold Middle Finger"

I guess we'll have to wait till the movie is over to find out.

Can't we get someone like Chris Farley to play gold middle finger?!

If he were alive I'm sure he would embrace the role...

Who would play Pussy Grabbed Galore? (How messed up was that??)

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: AboveBoard

Who was the original Republican that paid for it in the beginning??

Probably Jeb and/or McCain...
Although THEN it was reputed to have been looking only into Trump finances...and was BEFORE Steele's Russia-based involvement.

edit on 26-10-2017 by IAMTAT because: (no reason given)

a reply to: matafuchs

Could low energy and his clan be the candidate who wanted it researched?

Entirely like, I would say. A quick google search shows some interesting headlines pre-2015:

Donald Trump Says Jeb Bush is the 'Last Thing We Need' - ABC News
abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-jeb-bush-thing/story?id=27646832
Dec 16, 2014 - In an interview with ABC News, Donald Trump said Jeb Bush is the “last thing” the country needs in a presidential candidate.
...
TRUMP "Bush worst president ever" - YouTube
Video for Trump Bush
▶ 6:15
www.youtube.com...
Dec 12, 2007 - Uploaded by TheCyMan
"Well, I think Bush is probably the worst president in the history of the United States, and I just don't ...
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Donald Trump mentions Jeb Bush at tea party event, gets boos from ...
www.washingtonpost.com...
Apr 12, 2014 - At Saturday's Freedom Summit in Manchester, N.H., Donald Trump talked about Obamacare, foreign policy, immigration and the economy, and he earned...
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Donald Trump on President-Elect Obama: 'He Cannot Do Worse Than ...
www.foxnews.com/.../donald-trump-on-president-elect-obama-cannot-do-worse-than...
Nov 6, 2008 - Donald Trump goes 'On the Record' to give his perspective on the economy and ... Donald Trump on President-Elect Obama: 'He Cannot Do Worse Than Bush'

So there seems to be no love lost whatsoever between Trump and the Bushes, going back a fair few number of years. I could easily see that clan wanting to see what could be dug up on Trump once he started showing more than a passing interest in the office of president. And don't forget how chummy are the Bushes and the Clintons...

a reply to: AboveBoard
Sorry...connectivity issues at my end.

Who was the original Republican that paid for it in the beginning??

Probably Jeb and/or McCain...
Although THEN it was reputed to have been looking only into Trump finances...and was BEFORE Steele's Russia-based involvement.

a reply to: matafuchs

Look, this goes very high and very deep which is why it has taken so long to finally reach this point. You can only lie for so long before people start to look for something else.

What point is that? The OP is nothing more than a hypothetical "what if". Nothing has been proven in regards as to what was used to secure the FISA warrant. Everything else in the OP is reliant upon the dossier being used solely as the basis for the warrants. Considering what was in the dossier, it was most likely not used alone to get the warrant.

So this was one of two things

1. The RNC and DNC trying as hard as they could to kill the Trump candidacy....or
2. Was this to set up the RNC and DNC to show who they really are during the election season...

Or...people on Trump's team put themselves in compromised positions, the warrants were obtained for just reasons and this dossier issue is serving as a convenient distraction from that highly-probable reality.

a reply to: carewemust

If they don't find anything soon, the holiday spirit will start kicking in and the investigations will fall apart. Muellers team is already experiencing this phenomena.

They (???) only wish this could be shut down . The left will scream and the right will make it a National day of screaming ... This is a hard book to finish .

a reply to: IAMTAT

Probably Jeb and/or McCain... Although THEN it was reputed to have been looking only into Trump finances...and was BEFORE Steele's Russia-based involvement.

Roger Stone claims its someone else .

a reply to: the2ofusr1

My money is on Rubio.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: AboveBoard
Sorry...connectivity issues at my end.

Who was the original Republican that paid for it in the beginning??

Probably Jeb and/or McCain...
Although THEN it was reputed to have been looking only into Trump finances...and was BEFORE Steele's Russia-based involvement.

I love you man. Just trying to string words together is hard today with massive headache. I am trying to lighten the mood ever so slightly as all the bickering back and forth with folks isn't helping the strange vertigo nor the halo I'm seeing around everything nor the blurred vision.

I gotta check out again.

My money is also on JEB!

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: AboveBoard

Steele was hired by an American company. The people paying for the dirt may not have even known what source Fusion GPS was using for this, only that they had some helpful connections.

If they (DNC) thought they were doing something perfectly legal...
- Why did they initially deny paying for it?
- Why did they not record or report these payments...as required by law?
- Why did they violate campaign finance laws by hiding the payments via their law firm?

I haven't ruled out the oppo research as being done on the sly - recorded in other expenses etc. That is normal for such things, apparently. Not saying it's good, just saying transparency is not a feature of how oppo is done. I know this due to my vast experience reading Wikipedia... Link: Opposition Research Wiki

Show me where it says lying about financing and violating campaign finance law is a technique ?

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: AboveBoard
Sorry...connectivity issues at my end.

Who was the original Republican that paid for it in the beginning??

Probably Jeb and/or McCain...
Although THEN it was reputed to have been looking only into Trump finances...and was BEFORE Steele's Russia-based involvement.

I love you man. Just trying to string words together is hard today with massive headache. I am trying to lighten the mood ever so slightly as all the bickering back and forth with folks isn't helping the strange vertigo nor the halo I'm seeing around everything nor the blurred vision.


I gotta check out again.

My money is also on JEB!

AB...Take care of yourself.
No need to answer anything I've just asked.

originally posted by: IAMTAT

originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: AboveBoard

Steele was hired by an American company. The people paying for the dirt may not have even known what source Fusion GPS was using for this, only that they had some helpful connections.

If they (DNC) thought they were doing something perfectly legal...
- Why did they initially deny paying for it?
- Why did they not record or report these payments...as required by law?
- Why did they violate campaign finance laws by hiding the payments via their law firm?

I haven't ruled out the oppo research as being done on the sly - recorded in other expenses etc. That is normal for such things, apparently. Not saying it's good, just saying transparency is not a feature of how oppo is done. I know this due to my vast experience reading Wikipedia... Link: Opposition Research Wiki

Show me where it says lying about financing and violating campaign finance law is a technique ?

See my last post please. Sorry. Can't talk now.

Got it! Roger that and I don't mean Stone.

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: IAMTAT

Probably Jeb and/or McCain... Although THEN it was reputed to have been looking only into Trump finances...and was BEFORE Steele's Russia-based involvement.

Roger Stone claims its someone else .

MY best guess is Evan McMullen.

a reply to: loam

Its scallie or some name like that . The guy has very deep pockets

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Remember G2 just came out also and blasted Trump. This is something that past sitting presidents have NEVER done in the past. They usually wait til the new one is out or maybe say we will wait.

The Bushes HATE Trump.

a reply to: introvert

My point was this has all gone on long enough and I think all parties involved out of of Trump are starting to really get nervous. When you usefulness is gone you are no longer needed and you are then subject to a different set of Rules in politics and I think the Clintons are about to learn that. Thats all.

originally posted by: matafuchs
a reply to: introvert

My point was this has all gone on long enough and I think all parties involved out of of Trump are starting to really get nervous. When you usefulness is gone you are no longer needed and you are then subject to a different set of Rules in politics and I think the Clintons are about to learn that. Thats all.

I'm really not sure what you are getting at.

a reply to: Grambler

What's more troubling, that Russians essentially tried to influence the election with fake news... Or proven collusion with a political party and MSM (CNN) both in the debates and in preventing a candidate from competing on a level playing field, and colluding with foreign entities in digging up dirt on a candidate. Wait a second.... isn't that exactly what they've been accusing Trump of this entire time? The GOP might be brainless (fighting ACA since inception, and can't come up with a reasonable solution after 3+ years???), but the DNC is as corrupt as anything the country has ever known, if not more so

Mercer ! a reply to: the2ofusr1