Transgender Person On Trial For Sexually Assaulting 10-Year-Old Girl In Bathroom

originally posted by: Lurker1
Do you think that girl would have been raped if that fake woman had not been in the bathroom with her?

Do you think any type of law would have prevented a pervert from raping a child in the bathroom of a private home?

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lurker1

Do you think a straight pedophile rapist would not have gone into the bathroom?

That's not what happened, is it.

Try to keep up.

originally posted by: Lurker1

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lurker1

Do you think a straight pedophile rapist would not have gone into the bathroom?

That's not what happened, is it.

Try to keep up.

So, only trans pedophile rapists go into bathrooms and only with the intention of raping minors?

originally posted by: Lurker1

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lurker1

Do you think a straight pedophile rapist would not have gone into the bathroom?

That's not what happened, is it.

Try to keep up.

You're either soul-crushingly ignorant, or you're trolling.

Either one should be punishable.

a reply to: eNumbra

What other choice does he have but to choose to be falsely ignorant in order to keep his position??? The only other option is to admit you're choosing to be incorrect because you don't care about being wrong as long as you get to reinforce your bigotry.

Those are really the only two choices left for him to have, other than the right one but that would mean having to change the bigoted belief he's comfortable with.

I mean if your trying to find a way to support a belief, no matter how incorrect it is, you can find a reason. Then you just have to stick to it regardless of anything that disproves it.

a reply to: mOjOm

Very true.

People can be stubbornly proud to the point of absolute ridiculousness, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.

Reminds me of someone, I just can't put my finger on who.

From what I understand this person was considered a family friend, and this happened in a home bathroom not a public bathroom, however I can't find the article that mentioned it was in a home. I'll look some more.

Sexual assualt/rape is awful. It can scar people for the rest of their lives. It can effect all sexual experiences for that person in a negative way. It's just unacceptable and not okay no matter who you are.

This person is sick and I cannot say that had it been my family friend would have made it to a police interrogation but I understand the need to be there for your children and not in prison for murder.

ETA: See Phage's comment below with sources pertaining to the private home bathroom and family friend. Thanks!

-Alee

a reply to: Liquesence

Well to some degree we all do it. That's the power of beliefs. Pretty much everyone has some beliefs that they just hold on to because they like them and they aren't interested in whether they're technically true or not.

In this case however, it's a belief that can cause violence against innocent people for no reason which is a really bad result that is likely to happen because of that belief. They don't all lead to such negative actions in people. Some people might really like holding onto the belief that unicorns exist for example and that's not going to lead to anyone getting beat up in a dark alley because of it.

a reply to: NerdGoddess

The girl told police that Martinez, who is a family friend, invited her into the bathroom,

source

According to court documents, the victim reported being abused on March 23 by a family friend. Martinez was reportedly at the home where the alleged victim lived and asked the victim to come into the bathroom at about 8:30 p.m.

k2radio.com...

a reply to: NerdGoddess

That's an important point that you just made about not finding where it said it was a residence. I had to look through 4 different sources until I found it and all they said was it was a Residence. I'm not sure who's residence it even was for sure. Could have been either his or hers or someone else for all I know. But it wasn't a public place for sure.

But that should make you think why it is that such a detail wasn't mentioned by the other places reporting it. My guess is because they also wanted to leave that out so people would choose their own details to put in there. They knew it wouldn't get the same attention or have the same implications if they included it.

You have to do that with everything in the media now.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: NerdGoddess

The girl told police that Martinez, who is a family friend, invited her into the bathroom,

source

According to court documents, the victim reported being abused on March 23 by a family friend. Martinez was reportedly at the home where the alleged victim lived and asked the victim to come into the bathroom at about 8:30 p.m.

k2radio.com...

As always you're the best Phage, thanks.

-Alee

a reply to: mOjOm

Yes, everyone does it to some degree.

But people who are intellectually honest with themselves will both learn from the discourse, and concede they were mistaken, instead of remaining in a state of willful, stubborn ignorance.

In this case, it's a social issue that has far ranging consequences against people who have done nothing wrong, similar things we have seen throughout the course of this nation's history and for which people have fought and, in some cases, died to defend, in order to right wrongs and injustices.

Such as it is.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: NerdGoddess

That's an important point that you just made about not finding where it said it was a residence. I had to look through 4 different sources until I found it and all they said was it was a Residence. I'm not sure who's residence it even was for sure. Could have been either his or hers or someone else for all I know. But it wasn't a public place for sure.

But that should make you think why it is that such a detail wasn't mentioned by the other places reporting it. My guess is because they also wanted to leave that out so people would choose their own details to put in there. They knew it wouldn't get the same attention or have the same implications if they included it.

You have to do that with everything in the media now.

Triggering by omission.

a reply to: Deaf Alien

Or just plain lying by not telling the whole truth.

I think we're all familiar with that being done at some point in our lives.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: NerdGoddess

That's an important point that you just made about not finding where it said it was a residence. I had to look through 4 different sources until I found it and all they said was it was a Residence. I'm not sure who's residence it even was for sure. Could have been either his or hers or someone else for all I know. But it wasn't a public place for sure.

But that should make you think why it is that such a detail wasn't mentioned by the other places reporting it. My guess is because they also wanted to leave that out so people would choose their own details to put in there. They knew it wouldn't get the same attention or have the same implications if they included it.

You have to do that with everything in the media now.

That's precisely what happened. Back when the whole restroom debate was in the media, these sites were spreading baseless fear scaremongering about how it could cause an increase in child rape. The use of child and it happening in public rather than private is solely designed to tap into primal/natural instinct of wanting to protect loved ones and public instils fear that their own child is automatically increase risk.

Such powerful emotions are known to override people's logic and as this thread has shown some posters/OP were tricked into misplaced outrage. Commendably pretty much all acknowledged the error. That's not meant to be a dig at anyone who fell for it, I assumed that's what happened when I saw the thread - this is an incredibly effective method of manipulation and people had been primed to expect this exact same incident in public.

A good parent will do anything to protect their child and a far more likely to call for extreme measures to be taken when a sense of threat has been instilled, in this case critical info was purposefully omitted to instil a pervasive fear of trans people. It's essential websites that are using psychology to radicalise people without them realising are called out and exposed for the thinly-veiled neo-nazi newsletter it is.

a reply to: NerdGoddess

Pretty much everyone agrees it was a residential bathroom..


Some people just like pushing propaganda...

originally posted by: Lurker1

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Lurker1

Do you think a straight pedophile rapist would not have gone into the bathroom?

That's not what happened, is it.

Try to keep up.

No offense, because I understand that this is an impassioned topic, but why do you seem so damn angry on every thread you post on? I got this really tense vibe from you so Iooked up your post history, and just about every single post comes off, or seems extremely angry. Why is that?

So we're gonna nitpick about where this took place and not that this guy may or may not identify as trans, but used it to either commit this act or gain leniency in court.

a reply to: Wardaddy454

There is no indication that the perpetrator used their gender to commit the crime or that it will result in leniency.

Are you going to ignore that the OP misrepresented the situation in order to push a false narrative?

originally posted by: Wardaddy454
So we're gonna nitpick about where this took place and not that this guy may or may not identify as trans, but used it to either commit this act or gain leniency in court.

No. Some people are using this as an excuse to bash transgender people and to give legitimacy of banning transgender people from using bathrooms that do not correspond to their biological sexes. That's why it's important to point out that it didn't occur at a public bathroom.