Honors student outs herself as Athiest, kisses her honors good bye

a reply to: mOjOm

I have cringe-laughed at her videos for awhile now. I am almost certain she isn't the only abstinence-or-death preacher out there. They're all as vomitastic.

a reply to: OrdoAdChao

More about this quack teacher and her involvement in schools.
Link

Apparently she's also getting subsidized by the Gov. to promote her stuff as well. But wasn't that the excuse given as to why it's ok, because she's not taking tax payer money??? So much for that excuse now.

The Denver weekly Westword has reported that Donahue has been cited for using shame and guilt in her presentations, as well as providing medically inaccurate information, while receiving state and federal subsidies to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars to put on her abstinence-only programs in public schools. The training is called WAIT Training (“Why Am I Tempted).

She's obviously been noticed by others as acting illegally and dishonestly in her agenda and incorrect methods which is good. Now let's hope something is done about it.

Colorado law requires that if a school district offers a human sexuality curriculum, it “shall maintain content standards for the curriculum that are based on scientific research.” The parents who contacted WCAF said the Delta School District violated this law because the abstinence-only program put on in Delta schools did not provide the required factual, medically-based information, nor did the students who attended the receive at least an equal amount of factually-based sex education afterwards.

a reply to: mOjOm

so.... we need to invite some pasta sauce and maple syrup to our parties/orgies???

thanks for the laugh by the way
would love to see the mri that prove that men have brains that are like waffles and women's are spaghetti..
and if having sex affects everything for women, I can only imagine what state those poor girls we in after this lecture?

a reply to: ClovenSky

Okay but where does any of that come into play here? Because none of what you just typed went on. At all. On either side.

I bet you'd be hard pressed to actually find a case like you just mentioned because it is completely hyperbolic.

Are you going down a slippery slope?

There is no slippery slope in this case.

I am not disagreeing with what you said at all. We should never go that far. This case seems pretty cut and dry from the start, but there needs to be doubt because it's a one sided account.

She graduated in 2016, which either means this is vindictive or the school has dragged it along, because it can. I suppose there are other possibilities, but that seems most likely.

a reply to: OrdoAdChao

I've never heard of her before this. But you're right, she's not the only one out there. But she is now for some reason being used in Gov. funded public schools in some places which should not be happening.

I have no problem with her teaching that stuff in private or religious schools if that's what they want to do. That's their business. Well, I have a problem with it actually, but they're allowed to do it and that's fine. But it doesn't belong in secular public education.

She doesn't belong teaching in public schools. She's teaching from a position of Religious Belief. Actually, Christian Belief since she includes Jesus and the Bible as well. So it's not even a general Religious kind of thinking but a very specific one in fact.

a reply to: dawnstar

Or how about how Girls use both halves of their brain equally while boys only use one half. How's that for some accurate science, huh??

I would like to ask her since she believes God created Girls and Boys Brains differently (another claim she states as a fact), why does God give Boys half a brain they never use???

This woman is a damn menace.

I understand what she's trying to say and her intentions and all. But that isn't factual education. That's teaching belief and woo science and psudo psychology and incorrect biology.

originally posted by: OrdoAdChao
a reply to: ClovenSky

I bet you'd be hard pressed to actually find a case like you just mentioned because it is completely hyperbolic.

You can't see the reverse in the real world at all? Conservative students aren't afraid to express their views in our universities because of possible repercussions from professors?

Really? My apologies on the assumption of critical thought.

a reply to: mOjOm

There are many and I am sure they make a mint off of it. Never have I heard one and thought "Well, maybe that's an O.K. way of looking at it. I don't see it that way, but hey, to each their own."

I don't even understand how a Christian parent would want that for their children. Abstinence as a "don't get STDS or bebbies"
tactic is fantastic, but unrealistic. I may not be as sexually promiscuous as I once was, but I have not forgotten how, and most important, why I felt that way.

She needs to be relegated to church groups. She has no place as a "mandatory attendance" speaker.

If the tale is accurate, the greater evil is that one of, 'you must comply' it seems to be etched into all the fabric of day to day America. Right and wrong is neither here nor there, just comply....

a reply to: yuppa

Hope so.

I'm curious to see just what is going on here... Seems certain that something is.

a reply to: OrdoAdChao

Exactly. I don't know why anyone would want their child learning factually incorrect information either. Or the load of other BS this woman is teaching.

However, I support the right of people to have their own beliefs as a principle of freedom to each individual. Doesn't mean I agree with those beliefs at all myself but I get the importance of that principle. If people also want their kids to hold certain beliefs, even when incorrect, that is their choice too and not within my right to stop them. I certainly wouldn't want to teach my kid a bunch of quackery, but for those who do, that's their choice.

But that is for Private institutions not public ones. Just like I wouldn't want my kid learning some Sharia Law BS in public schools but won't stop it from being taught in Private Muslim Schools. The same applies for all other Belief Based Education. Get it out of the Public Arena and keep it Private, which is the only way it works anyway.

a reply to: mOjOm

obviously, the gov't will give away their faith based funds to anyone without much scrutiny.
this lady seems to be making crap up as she goes or something really..

So is the whole issue with the word 'religion'?

If they expressed these views independent of any one organized religion, then it would be OK? If they said that pre marriage intercourse is bad because of the STDs out there and both partners should be much better off if they saved themselves for post marriage because it is safer, then you would have been OK with this message?

Somehow I seriously suspect this has less to do with the separation of church/state and is more about simple opinions/ideologies.

Can you SJWs and PC advocates feel the tension out there yet?

I hope not. Keep on marching full speed ahead as I am one that really appreciates free entertainment.

I a reply to: Deaf Alien

Not necessarily. She still has to prove that it was religious persecution and not just the content of her work that earned her lower grades.

I'm sympathetic, but it seems like a hard case to prove in court.

a reply to: ClovenSky

I apologize for speaking from my own time and place where the author of the Bell Curve never appeared in person but affected my education nonetheless.

I had a professor that ascribed to the classic Bell Curve notion, which Murray pushes forward with a socioeconomic take instead of a purely educational one. My professor predicted that most in the class would fail his curriculum requirements and only a few would achieve a 75-80% mastery of the course. In order to not expect everyone to be as smart as himself, he assured that most will pass, with twice as many more failing as there were A's.

He was right and told us how he was: In a class of 45 or so people (this is all from memory and rounding for ease): 5 people failed because of various reasons, 10 received D's due to lack of attendance, attention or otherwise. 15 received C's because that's all they could really do. 10 received B's because they tried hard, and 2 earned A's for being smart-asses.

He was a great teacher and grand professor of anthropology. He held no punches, but told no lies.

The funny part about that whole story is, he was at the liberal university and many technical majors avoided him like the plague due to his demand for diligence. A lot of honor material was churned into mush in that class because it wasn't about jumping through his hoops but your own self discipline that mattered.

originally posted by: ketsuko
If it's a public school, they can't do that.

Of course, it has yet to be proven that it all fell out exactly as she stated for the reasons she stated. Maybe if Delta is a tiny little school in the back of beyond ... but in most school districts, I have a hard time thinking they would do all this just because she's an atheist any more than they would if she outed herself as some brand of evangelical or a Muslim.

Now in a private religious school I could see it causing problems, generally the students in high school are expected to be serious in their faith to some degree in some schools, and if she was in one of those, to have outed herself as a closeted atheist would be a violation of the school's policies and a lie. Generally a school like that would have a very dim view of that sort of dishonesty, too.

My experience in attending a catholic school, was that they expected me to attend mass, they expected me to pass my religion classes, and they expected me to learn their teachings... but they didn't actually care if I believed them. If I wanted to express disbelief though, I had to argue from church doctrine or logic that something didn't make sense. Not outside sources.

a reply to: Aazadan

That makes perfect sense from a religious school perspective. Good on you for having the intellect to fight them with their own weapons. The best way to achieve it!

ETA: This was a public school.

a reply to: cynicalheathen

Even a Catholic school has to comply.

We had non Catholics in every Catholic school I attended. They could do whatever with religion class. They mostly chose to learn about it and receive the information. They didnt go to any church unless it was a class trip for school work. They didnt go to mass.

All state and federal laws regarding religious freedom still apply.

a reply to: Aazadan

My experience in attending a catholic school, was that they expected me

Please tell me how attending a catholic school is relevant to this discussion about a public school.

a reply to: tadaman

Wow, that's really cool. Are you from the US? If so, what state, if you don't mind divulging? Or, at least, what state did you go to school in?