Honors student outs herself as Athiest, kisses her honors good bye

originally posted by: seagull
I think we can be fairly certain there's more to the story...

Better be, anyway...or someone is going to be very rich.

I imagine she has copies of her report cards to back her up.

a reply to: Konduit

at the least, some of her story seems to be true!!

Today, a compromise to keep the Delta County School District out of the courtroom means that pamphlets promoting other, non-Christian views will be offered in the same manner the Gideon Bibles were displayed back in December. Publications including “The Satanic Children’s BIG BOOK of Activities,” “Why Jesus?” and “Top 10 Public School-State Church Violations and How to Stop Them” will be free for students at middle and high schools today.

The agreement calls for the district to offer the materials from 30 minutes before school starts until 15 minutes after classes end, allowing students access during passing periods and lunchtime. The district’s policy on allowing non-academic materials to be distributed allows for these publications to be offered, though the fallout from the Bible incident has district officials considering a policy change to alter the open-door policy.

The district brokered a deal with the nonprofit Freedom From Religion Foundation to allow the distribution of the non-Christian materials in an effort to avoid litigation for allowing the Bibles to be available to students during school, which the organization said is unconstitutional.

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they were ignoring the separation of church and state...

a reply to: OrdoAdChao

I don't have any links and will say that at the time of hearing it I was like oh well could be true but didn't follow the thread . As for the girl well I guess its in the courts hands now . Not surprising that if 90% of the students have a link to Christianity that you will feel in a minority . I might get a similar feeling if I went to Vegas . The authorities will have to work it out and she may find herself on the end of a big payout like what sometimes happens in Vegas .

a reply to: ClovenSky

PC vs. Anti-PC Lawful vs Unlawful

Fixed it for ya.

a reply to: ClovenSky

How is this PC? This is a constitutional issue. There shouldn't be much argument as to whether or not schools can promote religion, this has been settled.

This is a pretty cut and dry case of a public institution promoting a religion. If they did indeed alter her grades due to her beliefs, they are in the wrong. If this is a self-promotion on the students part with no actual basis, that will be shown.

I do agree that it is a micro-battle, but isn't very PC at all. SJW? Maybe a wee bit, but not anything like a war of pronouns.

originally posted by: TinfoilTP

But fake news is good when it is against Trump or Christians or guns, basically anything promoting your progressive bias. Right?

No. Not at all. Incorrect information isn't a good thing when it's propagated as true. That's what's known as a lie.

That's exactly what I'm talking about as being a problem. Your assumption that I support lies and propaganda for one side over the other is incorrect and insulting as well. You seem more interested in accusing me of something rather than simply reading what I'm saying. Your divisive assumptions about others is just going to reinforce your own biases too. I'm not sure why you'd want to do that either.

Everyone has a degree of bias naturally and that's fine as long as we all put some effort in minimizing it or keep it small. It makes no sense to try and increase it.

a reply to: Liquesence

LOL, thank you very much. Are you sure you didn't flip them? Easy mistake to make.

a reply to: the2ofusr1

Because this is America, I am certain that money is a motivator. But she was an honors student, and most honors students I personally know received free rides to good schools in return for good grades. Behavior mattered, but as long as no infractions were brought by or to the college, they never had any problems.

If they in fact altered her grades because they didn't like her beliefs, they cost her a lot of money that she earned by maintaining her academics. Out right robbed her, if you ask me.

a reply to: ClovenSky

Are you sure you didn't flip them?

Quite sure.

a reply to: OrdoAdChao

It is almost like the PC & SWJ movements are becoming a religion onto themselves.

The only difference is that they haven't established into a non profit to soak up loads of money yet.

So you have old style religion vs new style religion (PC/SWJ).

And everyone saying the school should stay out of it.

I just find this really funny in a morbid sort of way.

It is like the universities that are taking tax payer money, they should also be impartial should they not?

Are they?

Why aren't you screaming out for the injustice there?

The WCAF contacted the district after a parent of a middle-schooler, Aileen Harmon, said her daughter was harassed by other students for not taking a free Gideon Bible from a table in the library on Dec. 18, according to the group’s Facebook posts. The FFRF became involved after the freethinkers group contacted the district, Landman said.

www.gjsentinel.com...

I guess the fake it till you make includes taking free bibles lest you be harassed by your fellow students??

originally posted by: the2ofusr1
a reply to: TinfoilTP

Kind of a stupid sounding thing but something that is recorded in the scientific literature ...go figure eh .

Well by Scientific Literature I sure hope you don't mean sites like Collective Evolution which was given as a link earlier. Because that isn't Science based and if you take a minute to look into such places you'll see it for yourself because they say so right there on their own site.

There are plenty of sources out there that aren't credible science at all but like to act as if they are, which is just another type of lying or Fake News.

If you have any Credible Scientific Literature for it however I'd like to see it for myself as would others I'm sure.

a reply to: ClovenSky

I see your points. But how does the not so religious "PC" factor into this? SJW, sure, but only because that's a thing now and people who go looking for problems ultimately start creating them to satiate their need for relevance. PC is a lot older and more nuanced and really deals with political language and not "justice".

Is this social justice? In a way, but it doesn't need any protest or argument. That has already happened and is settled. Not saying the other side couldn't start their own front against the cases that state schools can't promote religion. I just don't think they'd get too far.

I don't have a problem with the majority of universities getting tax dollars. The multi-billion dollar schools are a different story. I am not a tax expert, but I went to a very liberal college to a very conservative university and there was no indoctrination in either. There were exactly two vocal atheist professors I had and they were mostly funny and their subjects allowed them to interject their perspectives on religions and philosophy.

College education means getting your beliefs challenged. The conservative university I attended allowed anti-abortion protesters complete with giant billboards of mutilated fetuses (feti?). That challenged my beliefs, but didn't change them. I argued with them after accepting their little bible which I still have. They were a lot more upset than I was by the end of it.

ETA: The liberal college never had any demonstrations that could compare to the anti-abortionists. I know, this is anecdotal evidence, but hey, CSB!

a reply to: OrdoAdChao

This woman Shelly Donahue is a damn quack!! She doesn't need to be teaching kids anything within public schools. She needs to stick with teaching in religious institutions since that is her audience.

a reply to: Liquesence

There are some serious problems with this article. It says they almost immediately dropped her grades to F's but then say that it dropped from 98% to 70%. 70% is far from an F. It's like only halfway to an F. So that discrepancy alone leads me to believe that this article is a bunch of bunk.

Jaden

a reply to: Masterjaden

I really hope more info comes out on this story. However, depending on the weight of the grade to an overall score, a single F could drop a 98% in one class to a 70%.

a reply to: Masterjaden

There are definitely questions that need further answer, all around.

Including, what the lawsuit actually says.

a reply to: Liquesence

This went a bit more "REEEEEEEEEEEE" than I meant for it to go. The story needs coverage, I'll try my best to remember it in the news cycle blur. Hoping the updates happen and don't fly under the radar.

a reply to: OrdoAdChao

Well, just as a thought experiment lets flip things a bit.

We could start by assuming that there was a religion that identified themselves by the doctrines of PC & SJW. Sort of like what our universities are turning into. Doctrines like 'the victim is always right', 'no verbal offense will be allowed', 'misandry over misogyny', 'sex determination isn't biological' etc....

You have the same separation of religion vs state laws on the books.

Then you have this warrior who comes along and says stuff like 'why am I responsible for how you interpret my words', 'I was born a male because that is biology', 'I prefer to be with like minded/tribal groups'. They are independent and do not associate with any religions.

How would you view them trying to force their views on this school because they claimed it was independent of religion and they were not?

How do you think this individual would be treated? Would that maybe affect teacher's views on their performance?

Which I think is completely wrong in academics for a person to be judged on their opinions. People should be only judged on their regurgitation of what the teachers want hear, just like it is today. Just like it is in life because critical thinking is very rarely rewarded anymore.

PC/SJW is becoming a religion. These religions are starting to duke it out. I just find it funny that PC/SJW claim they are lawful and independent thought away from that religion is not lawful.

It is the battle. Each side is 180 degrees opposite. Are these two groups capable of occupying the same space?

Each day I am happier and happier to be agnostic.

At least you appear to be thinking about it and I truly thank you for that.

At some point, we need to bring back critical thinking.

originally posted by: Masterjaden
a reply to: Liquesence

There are some serious problems with this article. It says they almost immediately dropped her grades to F's but then say that it dropped from 98% to 70%. 70% is far from an F. It's like only halfway to an F. So that discrepancy alone leads me to believe that this article is a bunch of bunk.

Jaden

That was in her student government class.