Honors student outs herself as Athiest, kisses her honors good bye

originally posted by: OrdoAdChao
her teachers “told Ms. Fisk that she was being highly disrespectful and that if she wanted her grades to go up, she should ‘shut up’ and ‘fake it until she makes it.’” .

If the teacher had to tell her to ‘shut up’ and she was being disrespectful.... it sounds like she was disrupting class and being a little dirty anti-religious potty mouth. She was probably pushing that Bill Nye gender pedo crap.

Maybe her Netflix education conflicted with her school. : P

a reply to: Kandinsky

I can't disagree with you. There could definitely be more to this. It does see to be a school where religion was promoted and rewarded, though not academically.

This is noted as her former high school and she graduated in 2016. This is kinda weird, but, since this isn't a criminal matter, there is no real "speedy trial" issue.

a reply to: audubon

True, one sided account.

But my experience with admin is they are either very understanding or pitifully condescending.

The teachers (and admin when needed) are there to not only teach, but to make sure rules are being followed. Up to and including expulsion.

As I said earlier something doesn't sound right. I hope we hear more about this. The system failed being that this issue got this far.

a reply to: OrdoAdChao

Sure, it would be preferable and more principled. And as you acknowledge, even the private school would open itself up to civil liability if it changed grades based solely on a student's beliefs or lack thereof.

I'm all for the girl going after the public school system. Although it is still a shame that the taxpayers have to foot the bill for the wrong actions of a few. It'll disadvantage all the other kids.

Perhaps the girl could settle for the firing and public apology of all involved, a change in policy, have her transcripts changed, and perhaps get a token amount for herself and her lawyers. I'm just not a fan of large monetary settlements at the expense of taxpayers. A certain South Park episode comes to mind.

Being from the Deep South/Bible Belt, I'm all too familiar with overly heavy-handed religious types trying to enforce their will...

originally posted by: Deaf Alien
a reply to: audubon

atheists are often attitudey asshats.

How many atheists have you met and talked with?
I, myself, have met many Christians who are "attitudey asshats". Especially when it comes to public schools.

Touchy! I'm not claiming that Christians can't be annoying sh1tes, because they clearly can be. But I've spoken to enough atheists to know that they can be insufferably arrogant about their beliefs, because they feel that they are on the side of rationality and are struggling to defeat other people's delusions.

I'm not talking about all atheists, I'm talking about the probability that this atheist behaved badly. Anyone who has observed the overconfidence-bordering-on-arrogance of the average undergraduate will know where I'm coming from.

Peace.

a reply to: TinfoilTP

If you're not joking, here is a debunk.

Just to add some clarity, this is a public high school.

Former Delta student claims she was punished for atheist views; sues school

A former Delta high school student sued the Delta County Joint School District No. 50 claiming teachers gave the A-student a failing grade and sabotaged her college applications because of her atheistic views and opposition to religious proselytizing and instruction in the public school.

If the girl's claims are true, she's probably going to receive a substantial award or settlement. I might feel more sympathy for the tax payers if it didn't seem that there were systemic issues from the bottom up.

But her opposition to teachers, school board members and administrators, who she claims espoused religious views in school settings and meetings put her at odds with them, the lawsuit says. For example, school board member Kathy Svenson, a Bible camp teacher, once stated her “Christian” belief at a school board meeting that “transgender students should be castrated,” it says.

When Fisk questioned the principal and other school administrators about the legality of having a faith-based instructor speak about sex education at a mandated school assembly, she was told the religious tones would not hurt anybody, the lawsuit says.

For a decade, the school has paid Shelly Donahue, who teaches abstinence as the only way to prevent pregnancy, the lawsuit says. Her website says she is “passionately committed to Jesus Christ as the ultimate answer to the teen sexual activity problem in America.”

Fisk and friends wore T-shirts before the presentation that said “I prefer science,” and “I abstain from ideology.”

“Ms. Donahue’s presentation at the school was expressly and overtly faith-based, religious in content and tone,” and lacked medically accurate information about contraceptives and sexually transmitted diseases including AIDS, the lawsuit says. She told students that sex before marriage “puts you further from God” and compared girls who have premarital sex to dirty diapers, the lawsuit says.

Fisk wrote an article for The Paw Print that was critical of the presentation.

I went to school in a fairly rural district (at the time) in the Bible Belt in the 80's and 90's and there's no way that would have ever happened.

Then again, there's somewhere near 100k public K-12 schools in the US. There's bound to be a certain number of assholes and regressive idiots among a group that large.

a reply to: Liquesence

Well, that's not exactly separation of church and state and being Christian in a country school is just a given.

You are expected to say "yes, mam" and "no, mam" and if you don't you will suffer.

If this student didn't read the social standards or chose to display an "in your face" attitude it could have affected her grades.
Not saying this is right, but.....reality.

She could sue, get the attention she might be really wanting, but the courts here would probably not be sensitive to her "feelings."

a reply to: seasonal

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So no, women don’t retain men’s sperm for life. That’s just silly.

a reply to: mOjOm

The fact that she goes to public schools because parents will pay extra for that leaves me without wonder as to why so many people move away from their family religion.

If this story is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, then the school is grossly wrong and the teacher(s) should be punished.

The principal, the superintendent, all should be punished.

a reply to: audubon

they can be insufferably arrogant about their beliefs

So can Christians!
The point is their religious belief or lack thereof have nothing to do with the attitude. It's the person themselves. You know what they say about assuming?

originally posted by: DBCowboy
If this story is true, and I have no reason to doubt it, then the school is grossly wrong and the teacher(s) should be punished.

The principal, the superintendent, all should be punished.

We agree once again.

Sounds kinda fishy to me.
I would very much like to hear the whole story especially from the teachers.
Unfortunately they can't comment on the girl because she is a minor.
Let's see if she tries a lawsuit.

a reply to: Justso

that's not exactly separation of church and state and being Christian in a country school is just a given.

Because the activities are not school endorsed or sponsored, they are protected.

Supreme Court Says Religious Clubs Can Meet at Public Schools

If this student didn't read the social standards or chose to display an "in your face" attitude it could have affected her grades.

Grades are based on merit, not "social standards."

ETA: unless there was some type of "participation grade," based entirely on the teacher's discretion.

So these grades of hers weren't from exams and coursework? They were just arbitrary numbers based on whether the teacher likes a student?

that's no way to run an education system.

originally posted by: OrdoAdChao
a reply to: Kandinsky

I can't disagree with you. There could definitely be more to this. It does see to be a school where religion was promoted and rewarded, though not academically.

This is noted as her former high school and she graduated in 2016. This is kinda weird, but, since this isn't a criminal matter, there is no real "speedy trial" issue.

High schools, colleges and universities are usually required to store pupil/student work for +/- three years. Partly for situations like this and mainly so they can be audited and quality checked. Plus many exam papers are now turned into e-documents before marking so there ought to be recoverable examples of her papers and the teacher's marks.

It's an interesting story and we can hope for a clear, transparent resolution.

a reply to: Liquesence

I know this is kind of menial and nit-picky, but at this particular school, faculty provided donuts for the prayer groups that were paid by the school (whether they were from the cafeteria or bought on an account isn't clear).

Not arguing with you, as long as the school doesn't endorse or sponsor the activity, it can be held on school grounds as they are a form of public space for students.

originally posted by: SprocketUK
So these grades of hers weren't from exams and coursework? They were just arbitrary numbers based on whether the teacher likes a student?

that's no way to run an education system.

Grades aren't stars and flags or like "likes" on facebook.

This stinks of social engineering. Just being rewarded for saying what those in authority want you to say.

a reply to: OrdoAdChao

I don't even know what to say about not only this school and this student but some of the stuff people claim in this thread.

Sperm drilling into the brains of women?? I mean that is like some horrible Low Budget Porn/Horror Movie or something.

We are so doomed as a nation if we are teaching people stuff like this. I don't even know how anyone would think that would happen. How could sperm get into anyone's head in the first place??? I don't care how many BJ's a person gives that just isn't how it works. OMG.

Why on earth are we trying to raise up generations of people with false information all the time??? How is that in any way going to benefit anyone??? It makes no sense. We are dooming ourselves as a species.