President Trump is Cancelling the Illegal ObamaCare CSR Insurance Company Payments

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: StunPrix

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: StunPrix

LOL ... it’s really going to be funny when your insurance rates skyrocket AGAIN because the insurance companies will be losing millions of customers when the ACA fails.

And not ironic either. Funny. Hilarious. Gut-bustingly funny.

Its funnier you think ending subsidies for people I've been paying for will increase costs.

It will.

Premium without subsidy=$300. Premium with subsidy=$100.

300>100.

You do the math.

Except real world numbers... premium today for anyone making "too much" money to qualify for the handouts = roughly $1,000 a month. That's $300 a month looks damned fine to me.

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: StunPrix

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: StunPrix

LOL ... it’s really going to be funny when your insurance rates skyrocket AGAIN because the insurance companies will be losing millions of customers when the ACA fails.

And not ironic either. Funny. Hilarious. Gut-bustingly funny.

Its funnier you think ending subsidies for people I've been paying for will increase costs.

It will.

Premium without subsidy=$300. Premium with subsidy=$100.

300>100.

You do the math.

Uh I am the subsidor not the subsidee. Seems I'll be saving $200 if you can do the math.

a reply to: Liquesence

It had to do directly with your "Christian" comment, nothing more, nothing less. My point is that your judgement on the Christianity of another doesn't carry any weight anymore. WE.DONT.CARE. We don't care about your health tribulations, we don't care about your financial conditions, we don't care about your worries over loosing a subsidized life. Why do we not care anymore? Simple answer: because you stopped caring about those of us who have been forced into paying for you. Simple as that, you receive the respect you show and generosity demands reciprocal gratitude, so don't act shocked at not being shown any respect and don't be angry over the gravy train ending in the face of an attitude of entitlement rather than any degree of "hey, thanks for covering my ass when I needed it."

a reply to: burdman30ott6


Before ObamaScrew, our company set up top quality health insurance plans for young families of 4, that costs $600 a month. $5,000 deductible for the FAMILY. Not per person. After that $5,000 deductible was met, 100% of all medical costs were paid by Blue Cross.. including the prescriptions.

And to ice the cake, the these families could put $5,000 a year in a Health Savings Account to pay the deductible...This also lowered their taxable income by $5,000 each year...and would have built a huge retirement nest egg.

But guess who hated intelligent middle-class families so much, that all you see above was deemed as illegal, under the ACA rules of the land?

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
This guy isn’t a president. He’s not any kind of leader. He’s a villain and a fat old *sshole. Anyone who supports him is a piece of sh*t.

WTF happened to Republicans? The party of heartlessness and greed. They deserve to all be hung from lamp posts.

WOW!! Long time lurker, first time posting. I can't believe you actually made this statement. If a republican made this statement directed at Democrats, there would be countless Democrats condemning the poster comparing them to the KKK and what was done to blacks and the whites who supported black people and/or the nazi's and what was done to the Jews. Yet, not a single "Democrat" has called you out on such a horrible post. It's ironic you would say such a thing after asking "WTF happened to Republicans? The party of heartlessness and greed."
It's pretty sad you feel this way. The real question is not what has happened to Republicans or Democrats, but what has happened to humanity itself. People get angry with political things they don't like from both sides, but for anyone to actually make a statement like this is truly revealing, not about your political stance, but about your character and/or lack thereof. I truly feel sorry for you and those who think the way you do. Sad, very sad!

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: Metallicus

Each President has issued hundreds of Executive Orders. I understand your sentiment, but it doesn't appear to be something that will stop anytime soon.

Can we all say DickTater?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

We know you don't care. Either Jesus was a liar or you are not a Christian. You have been judged, the whole cult.

a reply to: JustaBill


Welcome to ATS JustaBill. I suggest that you not let your emotions kick into high gear too quickly. ATS member SpiritualZombie always says mean things about Republicans and President Trump.

Think of S.Z. as a poster-boy for why Republicans keep winning, and you'll learn to appreciate him, and other similar minded members. They're very consistent, and you'll learn who they are in short order.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: burdman30ott6

We know you don't care. Either Jesus was a liar or you are not a Christian. You have been judged, the whole cult.

No no no, I'm not Jesus, nor do I claim to represent Him or His church. I am but a working man raising my family and accepting responsibility for them and them alone.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

And so does all my family. They have jobs, pay taxes, property taxes, pay healthcare premiums from their checks. They don't wish for people to die from sickness. They don't attend any church.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: StunPrix

LOL ... it’s really going to be funny when your insurance rates skyrocket AGAIN because the insurance companies will be losing millions of customers when the ACA fails.

And not ironic either. Funny. Hilarious. Gut-bustingly funny.

Actual demand will drive pricing, though. Without artificial mandates and penalties, the average consumer will have the power to tell any insurance company "screw you" and drop their own coverage. That will push prices down if insurance companies want to make money off of the average, healthy American. It's the backbone of the free market and the exact reason why government meddling is anathema to the benefits of the public in a Capitalist society.

Oh, you mean like it did before Obamacare? I assume you are referring to those sweet $200/month plans for the healthy (the same plans that could be denied coverage immediately following any health issue on a whim). If you think that's actually better (and not just because the cost was lower while you were healthy) then boy howdy do I have a bridge to sell you. Insurance companies prior to Obamacare made money off of either offering bare-bones planes to healthy people who would in most cases never use the value of the plan, or charged prices so high for unhealthy people that they had a choice either to go into financial ruin or die. Obamacare forced them to actually cover people in a way (that while perhaps drove costs up for all) didn't leave a vulnerable portion of the population at the mercy of the insurance companies.

Your opinion is tacit approval that the insurance companies power over life and death was a righteous and good thing. Unless you espouse that those who are already sick or unable to afford healthcare should just hurry up and die (an opinion I'm not entirely sure you don't believe), how do you propose to service those vulnerable members of the country?

a reply to: carewemust

Thank you for the welcoming. I am not an emotional person, but appreciate the warning. I was just taken back on how someone could possibly wish something on anyone just because they don't agree with your political view. I will most likely return to lurking, but will always reply to a warm welcome. Thank you again.

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: JustaBill
SpiritualZombie always says mean things

You'd think I'd be more loved by Trump supporters... I give them the full presidential treatment.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

It had to do directly with your "Christian" comment, nothing more, nothing less. My point is that your judgement on the Christianity of another doesn't carry any weight anymore.

Point was, if one considers oneself a Christian while also claiming "me first, screw you" that makes one a hypocrite, because that is not a Christian attitude, period. Hence my original comment.

WE.DONT.CARE. We don't care about your health tribulations, we don't care about your financial conditions, we don't care about your worries over loosing a subsidized life.

Noted.

Now, who is this "you" to whom you refer?

you receive the respect you show

True.

so don't act shocked at not being shown any respect and don't be angry

I'm neither. I was just pointing out potential hypocrisy.

originally posted by: burdman30ott6

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: StunPrix

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: StunPrix

LOL ... it’s really going to be funny when your insurance rates skyrocket AGAIN because the insurance companies will be losing millions of customers when the ACA fails.

And not ironic either. Funny. Hilarious. Gut-bustingly funny.

Its funnier you think ending subsidies for people I've been paying for will increase costs.

It will.

Premium without subsidy=$300. Premium with subsidy=$100.

300>100.

You do the math.

Except real world numbers... premium today for anyone making "too much" money to qualify for the handouts = roughly $1,000 a month.

That's $300 a month looks damned fine to me.

Those are real world numbers.

And to those who can't afford $300 a month, that $100 after subsidy looks damn fine. :/

Health insurance at $600/month directly through a provider, or $100/month after subsidy through ACA: pretty clear.

originally posted by: MOMof3
They don't wish for people to die from sickness. They don't attend any church.

I never said I "wished" anyone die from sickness. Why can't this discussion be had without histrionics?

a reply to: Wayfarer

I believe there should be some measure of regulatory oversight that governs insurance contracts, at least guaranteeing the insurer does what they've been paid to to.

I don't want to see anyone die from illnesses, that said, this is not a zero sum game we're playing here... it isn't a "You either happily pay for them or you want them to die" situation as you're suggesting. There are a lot of options between those two... and yeah, some of them include "you know, sometimes people die." That doesn't mean I'm happy about it, it's just a fact of life. Decisions have consequences and I don't believe the rest of mankind should shoulder responsibility for people who make irresponsible decisions.

a reply to: Liquesence

Great, you focus on the takers, though. What happens when the demands of the takers outstrips the means of the payers? WHere are we then? Isn't it fairer and simpler to just carry forward the natural state of life as it has been throughout human history: you get what you earn?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

That's pretty short sighted. Part of our greatness is looking out for those in need. If a building's on fire, do you run out and save yourself or stay to help those in need? I'm sure some justify running out the door without a thought of anyone else. Question is what kind of people do we want to be.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Lol... you think your premiums going down?!!

The insurance companies will get less money and you think they will be lowering prices,!?!

Prices never go down...on almost anything really, but definitely not healthcare..

It is a losing proposition. Unless you die instantly in an accident or from a freak heart attack. The insurance companies will lose money on you..

Your lifetime of premiums will never pay the 4 million you require in end of life care.

Presently they have survived off of people who they deny services or pay , without ever using their insurance. That’s unsustainable.

We are the last modern country still stupid enough to allow insurance companies to middle man their entire medical industry. They know their days are numbered. That sooner or later we will stop using them as well. So they will milk us for every thing they can while they still remain relevant.