Interesting new Vegas shooting detail emerges from Sheriff

Why are police on floor 31 looking for a shooter if he reported in. Guess they didn't get the memo or the typist typo'd it.

a reply to: GeechQuestInfo

The cards are definitely a black jack reference.. the cards are a winning hand and ones the black jack.. but that makes the ace an 11.

As far as that meaning 10/1 I find that hard to believe.

originally posted by: 3n19m470

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
Maybe it was a sick fetish.

The guy pretends to be a mass killer shooter, does it in full mock up, guns ammo the works. He panics when he sees a guard coming to his door when he has all of his fantasy toys out so he sprays him then does the real thing he has been practicing/fantasy role playing for years. In this scenario if the guard never walks down that hall, he packs up his goodies and leaves the hotel in the morning and starts planning for his next fantasy location.

Then again, like KansasGirl said, how do we know any of it is true? We don't even know if Paddock did the shooting. He was found dead.


It seems a waste of time to think about it because next week they'll say it was actually a smoke alarm or something...

Thank you!! I think it's just a bit ridiculous for us to buy this #e they're giving us with the "updated" time lines, for instance, if we think about the resources they have to investigate this! Really? It took them 9 days to realize that the "guard" was shot before the rampage instead of during? Come on!! They knew that night! Think of all the investigators they have, specialists, equipment, and legal access to get any info or videos or security cams, anything they want!

I think the FBI is probably doing a snow job on the LVPD. That's just speculation on my part, but if you ask me, it's speculation grounded in more common sense than some of theories we've seen going around this site. Some of our members should write for soap operas if that isn't already their day job.

Come on, ATS members! You are bumming me out! They know what happened, and it is NOT what they are telling us. Unfortunately, they do NOT have a good track record for telling us the truth. So when they tell us stuff that makes no sense, and then they change it to make less sense? It's smart to doubt them. I am bummed about some of you who are accepting their nonsense!

I understand that they can't show us their entire hand, in an ongoing investigation. Fine! But say THAT, instead of lying to us. WE ARE PAYING THEM to serve and protect us, and we are accepting their bullsnip.

I mean, a door alarm? In a hotel? So is there a room that is just beeping 24/7 in the hotel, because it goes off every time a door opens? No, it's a stairwell or fire exit they're talking about? Ok, but didn't they tell us that the SWAT team assembled in the stairwell? No wait, the stairwell was barricaded. No wait, the stairwell was fine but the elevator was open.......etc etc.

And we haven't even started on all of the reports at other hotels about windows breaking, shots heard....hell some guests in the Mandalay Bay casino on the lower floor heard shots.... How would they hear shots, if it was so hard to hear the shots that it took the police all that time to narrow down which damn floor the noise was coming from? You know?

I would be surprised if ANYTHING they've told us is true.

They know what happened.

ETA: have we addressed the "This will now be referred to as 'one October' from here forward" announcement? What the hell?

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
By now it's painfully obvious that they're making up the story in an ad-hoc manner, like a child trying to invent a story to get out of trouble.

That's exactly what makes me think that this wasn't something done by the FBI, as they would have the story already made for the public. People used to organising things always have a backup plan that is activated as soon as they see something is going wrong.

And you say Someone wants it to look like false flag?

What Russia or something?

I do wonder sometimes about conspiracy theories and who might start them..

Death by a thousand cuts. Lose faith in US society..
I don't wish I knew the answer. As far as I'm concerned leave me the hell away from any spooky spooks, on any side or facet or whatever.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Exactly.

originally posted by: Reverbs
a reply to: GeechQuestInfo

The cards are definitely a black jack reference.. the cards are a winning hand and ones the black jack.. but that makes the ace an 11.

As far as that meaning 10/1 I find that hard to believe.

Well I don't know about stuff like that but I do know it carries a double meaning. Black Jack (winner) and Aces are 1 or 11 so 10-1 is at least available by Vegas rules. No one goes "I will use the Ace as a 1 and void my winner to take another card".

Not my type of thinking. But it is there.

a reply to: Justoneman

It's a tattoo...

It says "winning!"

It's not like it was something found on scene.

The black sun is more interesting but who knows if people even know what it is they have tattoos of? It probably looks cool..

Most black jack tattoos are an ace and a jack..

Like I've seen 10 dogs in one day but that's not 10/1 at Mandalay bay

Lol

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: ZombieWoof

I have a different problem with that picture. If Paddock shot himself, then shouldn't there be blood spray all over the place? It looks like someone put a gun in his mouth after he was already dead and pulled the trigger.

I wondered that too

originally posted by: LSU0408

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: ZombieWoof

Admittedly curious, when I zoom up on his face...is that a bullet hole on his cheek? Or is there a bullet hole in the crook of his eye area and nose/brow? Just pixelation /lighting effect or is it 2 bullet entries?

I noticed the hole in the corner of his eye, too... Nobody shoots themselves right there. Dude was murdered by a partner I bet.

He could have placed the gun right in the center of his forehead or top of the nose but it veered to the side from the force or something.....couldn't it?

a reply to: trollz>>>> 200 rounds fired into the hallway meant 200 less rounds into the crowd so the guy is still sort of a hero. But it sounds like there was a major break down in communication either on the hotels part or by the police or both. I have said I think the FBI is fully aware the guy had accomplices and are most likely tracking them down or they know who they are and they're waiting to see if they lead to anyone bigger. ... Or... they're covering it up to protect the narrative and don't want the guilty exposed. Has the security guard made any statements to the press, it seems like he's been kept under wraps.

a reply to: Reverbs

The rest of the world lost faith in us society on 9/11....

a reply to: roadgravel

Staging one floor below. Then they were slowed down in the stairwell because Paddock secured the door with a metal plate.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Found this while watching some videos.


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originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: matafuchs

The door lock system most likely informed of the open door.

Why would there be be an alert for an open door? It's a hotel. Aren't many doors going to be opening many times all day and night?

originally posted by: KansasGirl

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: matafuchs

The door lock system most likely informed of the open door.

Why would there be be an alert for an open door? It's a hotel. Aren't many doors going to be opening many times all day and night?

I think it was about it being open for a period of time. There hasn't been much of an explanation about it.

Where are all the empty clips? I see all the spent shells and the clips stacked against the wall, but I have yet to see one empty mag in any of the pictures that were released.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Sometimes you see a door that is labelled "Emergency Exit Only". It probably sets off an alarm when someone uses it.

a reply to: KansasGirl

Someone in another post tried to say that there are 'alarms' that go off if a door is left open too long. But what amount of time is that? If you are leaving a hotel I have had a door wedged for over 10 minutes.

The weird thing is if there was an alarm the first thing you would check is the cameras. You are not going to send someone to the 32nd floor for an open door without checking first to make sure the party is not just at the door, etc....This is casino they have cameras everywhere and have stated they were there.

If they did, would he NOT have seen the barricaded doors? If the security guard looking at the cameras sees barricaded doors would he not radio for the police? Even if they do not see it the active security guard would going to that floor would. Remember we now know he was up there BEFORE the shooting started. But, he is finding the upper floor barricaded.

If you look at the timeline of shots I think he started early. He saw security coming and the first few shots you hear in the videos. Are those the ones hitting the security guard. Then, he goes full on. a few minutes into it the shots are slower, paced and sound is different. It is the long rifles he tried to destroy the fuel tanks with. One penetrated and one was stuck. Thank goodness there was no explosion. He then goes back to the crowd and then he was such a control freak he did shoot himself.

It is also @20-25 shots fired into the hallway not 200 as I am reading now. So, this tells us that the shooter had his cameras working but the police said they were not.

It just does not make sense with that we all know at this point. These just keep getting larger and larger.

It's hard to know to and what not to believe from the investigators. The story keeps changing.

originally posted by: roadgravel
It's hard to know to and what not to believe from the investigators. The story keeps changing.

Honestly, I can't keep up with the official narrative, much less the plethora of theories. I've read every post on every thread of this and I couldn't detail to you the current official story. ( Much less specific timeline arguments and details.)