Interesting new Vegas shooting detail emerges from Sheriff

The way the FBI guy stares at everyone who is giving a speech is beyond creepy.

originally posted by: ZenTam
They are either the worst police department ever or they are lying to us on purpose.

You know they interviewed the security guard the night it happen and had the info then. So why all the wrong stories and confusion? Also why the confusion on when Paddock checked into the hotel. They have held firm with 9-28 up until yesterday when they were pressed on that being wrong. The receipt for room service that has been floating around says 9-27. But there is other proof he actually checked in on 9-25. Don't tell me it has taken a week for you to walk to the front desk and ask them when he checked in? I work the front desk at a hotel. Its a simple click to see EXACTLY when he checked in, down to the minute. I can check that info today or even a year from know. Easy peasy, not complicated.

Thanks for this!

So, how easy would it be for a reporter to get someone to look up how many rooms in that wing were occupied by guests that night? Find out how many people those cops and the security guard were evacuating from those rooms? Wouldn't that show up on the system that watches the doors?

originally posted by: worsaw
What do you guys make of this video?

www.youtube.com...

That's a helicopter. There's another video taken from the venue where it is visible and you can hear the whump-whump of the rotors. It disappears behind the hotel but then emerges a few seconds later. I saw the video posted in one of the other threads. It was probably one of the helicopter tours of the Strip.

originally posted by: infolurker
a reply to: trollz

Ok, Late to the party here....

Went over a few pages and I still did not see the most obvious question asked / answered (maybe I missed it).

If the Security Guard was shot BEFORE the gunman started his rampage then what the hell was the Security Guard doing outside his room in the first place?

Why the hell was he there?

Second question, If this guy fired 200 rounds into the hallway of a hotel, nobody else on the floor heard it and or didn't call 911? You would think there would be some people in their rooms freaking out if they heard 200 rounds being fired on their floor?

Sorry if these answers are obvious but not finding them....

Thanks for the info if you have it.

First we need to know how many rooms are in that wing and how many of those rooms were actually rented to guests that night. How many people did the cops and security guards evacuate from the wing of the shooter's suite?

If I were planning this sort of thing, I might reserve all the rooms on that wing, using various names of course....and assure myself that the hallways would pretty surely be empty at 10 PM. Wouldn't it interesting if some reporter could find out how many guests were registered on that wing on that evening? Were there any federal employees registered in that wing that night? These are the little things that might tell us a lot.

Where are the people from that wing of the floor escorted out by the police? Has anyone seen them interviewed? I've not had time to search so if someone has links I'd like to see them.

I thought this was a little odd....


The sheriff said authorities have received 200 accounts of Paddock traveling throughout Las Vegas, and that he "has never been seen with anyone else."


I've heard/read a bunch of times that in the past that Paddock would travel to Las Vegas with Marilou Danley and stay in Vegas, together. But now the Cops are saying he "has never been seen with anyone else"? I found this very odd. So if Paddock and Marilou hung out in Vegas together many times, and nobody ever saw them together (not like there is anything special about Stephen & Marilou that anybody would notice and remember them) whose to say Paddock didn't ever meet up with anyone else there as well? Again, even though Paddock was a tall guy, he just doesn't look like the type of guy that makes a lasting impression on people that they would remember him and who he was with.

a reply to: trollz

And now it is being reported that Paddock’s home in Reno has been broken into. Probably someone (feds) getting in there to get rid of some evidence

LOL. And it is an all glass front door, yet police say the suspects gained entry through the front door and there was no damage and they are not sure how the suspects gained entry. Are you kidding me? It is called a key or a lock pick.

That looks way to fast to be the chopper

originally posted by: diggindirt

originally posted by: worsaw
What do you guys make of this video?

www.youtube.com...

That's a helicopter. There's another video taken from the venue where it is visible and you can hear the whump-whump of the rotors. It disappears behind the hotel but then emerges a few seconds later. I saw the video posted in one of the other threads. It was probably one of the helicopter tours of the Strip.

originally posted by: Reverbs
a reply to: Justoneman

It's a tattoo...

It says "winning!"

It's not like it was something found on scene.

The black sun is more interesting but who knows if people even know what it is they have tattoos of? It probably looks cool..

Most black jack tattoos are an ace and a jack..

Like I've seen 10 dogs in one day but that's not 10/1 at Mandalay bay

Lol

I wasn't perpetuating a myth, I am just saying it has double meaning no matter. Some people like putting things out with more than one meaning like the line in the Led Zep's "Stairway to Heaven". ("where you know how words have two meanings")

a reply to: worsaw
The first post on pg. 261 of the original thread has a video. When the video begins you can faintly hear a helicopter but it is then drowned out by the music. If you go to 2:40 in that video you can see a helicopter's flashing light as it appears to the left of the hotel. It disappears behind the hotel for a few seconds, emerging between the towers at about 3:40 but can't be heard at that point because of the music.

Apparently there are lots of these sightseeing helicopter flights across the city every night.

originally posted by: diggindirt
The official timeline now says he shot the last shots at 10:15. No shots were heard after 10:15. So he must have offed himself at 10:15 and yet that blood, photographed more than an hour later looks really fresh doesn't it?

Sooo---when was this photo made? Who "leaked" this photo to the media? How did they get a picture of the dead guy less than 30 minutes after he'd been shot?

Maybe the body was moved when the police stormed the room and the fresher blood came out then.

I've just had an epiphany regarding Paddock's "suicide".

I was thinking back to when I was a teenager in the early 1980s and my parents bought me my first air pistol; it was a Diana .177 cal. Anyway, I remember setting up a hardwood chopping board, strung from a tree branch in our garden. After pinning a paper target to the board, I loaded a flat headed pellet and shot straight from a distance of about 3ft. What happened next still remains a strong and vivid memory...the bloody pellet bounced right back at me, nearly taking out my eye.

So, with this little anecdote as an example, I'm wondering it were possible for Paddock to have shot himself accidently. Maybe he inadvertently fired a short burst in a bad or wrong direction and hit something hard, maybe metallic and some bullets ricocheted back at him. It could explain contemporary chest and face wounds. If a .177 cal lead pellet nearly blinded me, I wonder what high velocity bullets can do when ricocheting around the confined space of a room.

I admit this idea doesn't fit the narrative of the bloody revolver on the floor, nor does it seem to match with the final two delayed shots I've read people talking about which are heard in the videos. Anyway, it would be a just karma if something like this actually happened.

originally posted by: ArMaP

originally posted by: diggindirt
The official timeline now says he shot the last shots at 10:15. No shots were heard after 10:15. So he must have offed himself at 10:15 and yet that blood, photographed more than an hour later looks really fresh doesn't it?

Sooo---when was this photo made? Who "leaked" this photo to the media? How did they get a picture of the dead guy less than 30 minutes after he'd been shot?

Maybe the body was moved when the police stormed the room and the fresher blood came out then.

They would know not to touch the body, causing contamination of forensics. He probably shot himself sitting up, when his head hit the floor there was an initial splash of blood, then he bled out from the wound, causing two different congealed 'puddles'.

The arteries that deliver blood to the brain are large, straight from the heart. The image is taken soon after death , the blood hasn't coagulated much, is still red.

Sorry if this is off-topic but I received a 'welcoming you back' email from Mandalay Bay early this morning. The last time I stayed there was years ago for a trade show and my work paid for it so I don't know how they got my email. I've also never received any promos from them before.

originally posted by: CajunMetal
Sorry if this is off-topic but I received a 'welcoming you back' email from Mandalay Bay early this morning. The last time I stayed there was years ago for a trade show and my work paid for it so I don't know how they got my email. I've also never received any promos from them before.

a reply to: ArMaP

This is from the 60 minutes interview with the 4 officers who were the ones we are told breeched the room:

Matthew Donaldson: My initial scan, coming in the room with my rifle is just seein' I'm seeing one male down, bleeding from the face. He was not a threat. Kept going, kept going, kept going.

Bill Whitaker: Said one male down. That was the shooter?

Matthew Donaldson: Yes.

Bill Whitaker: Stephen Paddock?

Bill Whitaker: What were his wounds?

Dave Newton: I didn't see any apparent wounds to his head. But I did see a lotta blood that had come outta his mouth.

Joshua Bitsko: There was-- a bloody revolver I think-- nearby. Nearby him that was on the ground consistent with him shootin' himself.

Not sure how new is this but Sheriff Lombardo said the autopsy found nothing wrong with Paddock's brain

Las Vegas massacre gunman had a NORMAL brain: Autopsy finds 'no abnormalites' that could have driven him to kill 58 innocent people

But then he also said:

Lombardo said toxicology tests have not come back and the autopsy on Paddock is still underway.

And they already starting to say the "we might never know" assuring phrase regarding Paddock's motive

Asked if investigators are any closer to uncovering a motive, he added: 'We may never know.'

www.dailymail.co.uk...

a reply to: diggindirt

In response to doorway theory.

I do not know what the interior walls were made of so I cannot answer that. If they were load bearing and solid concrete, I would say you could be correct. If they were not load bearing and standard construction, drywall will not stop 5.56 at that distance. Too much energy. If old dude steps out of the way, it would not have made any difference.

This assumes of course (the story is fluid) the shooter just fired through the door/door area. It assumes he never opened the door to fire at the security guard. I cannot answer either way.

MGM Resorts disputes Las Vegas police timeline of mass shooting

MGM Resorts International on Tuesday disputed Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo’s revised timeline of the Oct. 1 mass shooting on the Strip. But during an extensive Tuesday interview with the Las Vegas Review-Journal, the sheriff stood by the revised timeline, then clarified it “could change even more.” “This remains an ongoing investigation with a lot of moving parts,” MGM Resorts spokeswoman Debra DeShong said in the statement, released late Tuesday. “As evidenced by law enforcement briefings over the past week, many facts are still unverified and continue to change as events are under review. We cannot be certain about the most recent timeline that has been communicated publically, (sic) and we believe what is currently being expressed may not be accurate.” Lombardo revised the timeline during a news conference Monday. He said police had learned that security guard Jesus Campos was shot in the hallway before at least 58 people at the Route 91 Harvest festival were killed and nearly 500 were injured. Police previously said Campos was shot after the attack on the concert crowd. The sheriff also said gunman Stephen Paddock checked in to Mandalay Bay on Sept. 25, three days earlier than first reported. The MGM statement was released by Joele Frank, a public relations firm in New York City. “We understand the public’s desire for information and the importance of getting our community and the public at large the information they deserve, and we are doing everything we can to support law enforcement’s efforts to do so,” according to the statement. “Therefore, it is not appropriate for us to comment further at this time on what remains an open matter for law enforcement.”

a reply to: turbo8
What exactly are they disputing? That link has to many big photos and keeps crashing my iPad! Can you provide a little more specific detail?

Looking at the pictures of paddock's body in detail for the first time I'd be more than happy to put money on him suffering severe haemoptysis. Wounds to the chest often result in a more pink coloured or bright red bleed. The blood down his face and some of what is on the carpet look looks to me like he had some sort of chest wound. Someone is telling porky pies.