Interesting new Vegas shooting detail emerges from Sheriff

a reply to: PittMike

Yes, that is true. But there is no broadcast of the wounded security guard until an officer was on scene and encountered him. So either the information from the security guard was not transmitted to the police via electronic communication or the police dispatcher failed to broadcast that information over the radio.

originally posted by: intrptr
They would know not to touch the body, causing contamination of forensics.

As I'm not a police officer I don't really know how things happen (where are all the ATS LEOs when we need one?), but if they were entering a room where they were expecting to find a shooter they wouldn't think much of it as a crime scene when they entered. That's why I said before somewhere (maybe on another forum, this is getting confusing) that the revolver could have been kicked out of his hand by the police, as I think that's standard practice when they enter a scene where they are expecting to find an armed person, they first secure the area then they worry about the contamination of the crime scene.

At least that's how I would do it, instead of assuming a guy on the ground with a gun in his hand was dead, better to deal with the contamination of the crime scene than being shot.

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Thanks, I should have read your post before writing my previous post.

You guys know the Mandalay Bay records EVERYTHING except bathrooms & guest rooms. The cctv of the hallways would tell us everything. If they release them, it'd shut up a lot of speculation, if they don't, it's definitely a conspiracy.

What the actual heck?

Now, there is a maintenance man Steven who was interviewed just a short time ago and claims he was shot at on the 32nd floor AFTER Campos was already shot in the leg - so this would be in the six minutes prior to the massacre down below. He credits Campos with saving his life by warning him to "take cover" right before he (the new "Steven") was shot at by Paddock when Paddock shot down the hall. Again, he states in his interview that Campos was ALREADY shot in the leg at this point. Furthermore, the reporters apparently heard a recording of this Steven calling in the shooting because they remark about how calm he seems in the recording.

This throws the whole timeline (and sounds) out of whack AGAIN.

BUT - it also "explains" (ahem...) the taxi driver hearing muffled shooting (that sounded far away) before the outside volleys. Since shots "down the hall" would sound muffled.

WTH????

www.chicagotribune.com...

originally posted by: nicevillegrl
What the actual heck?

Now, there is a maintenance man Steven who was interviewed just a short time ago and claims he was shot at on the 32nd floor AFTER Campos was already shot in the leg - so this would be in the six minutes prior to the massacre down below. He credits Campos with saving his life by warning him to "take cover" right before he (the new "Steven") was shot at by Paddock when Paddock shot down the hall. Again, he states in his interview that Campos was ALREADY shot in the leg at this point. Furthermore, the reporters apparently heard a recording of this Steven calling in the shooting because they remark about how calm he seems in the recording.

This throws the whole timeline (and sounds) out of whack AGAIN.

BUT - it also "explains" (ahem...) the taxi driver hearing muffled shooting (that sounded far away) before the outside volleys. Since shots "down the hall" would sound muffled.

WTH????

www.chicagotribune.com...

Yeah i posted this info last night on page 19 i think, trip out about now another guy with the security guard, right? Found this interview with him too.....

www.yahoo.com...

a reply to: hartbeat

Wow. I just don't understand where this time is... He says Campos already shot when he arrived on the scene. Then, Campos warned him to take cover before SP shot down the hall at both of them?

Of course, this does explain the muffled shots heard in the tax video since down the hall would likely sound "farther off" than shots out the window. Maybe it explains those "far off" shots too well?

Also the maintence guys says checking fire exit door that wouldn't open, i thought it was hotel room door alarm went off....

a reply to: hartbeat

No - remember... it was the room alarm that Campos responded to and gets shot. Then, maintenance guy goes to check stairwell door alarm for stuck door (HUH????) and Campos warns him to take cover before HE is shot at down the hall too. He credits Campos for saving his life. (Think this story is meant to confuse us? All these door alarms and people from the hotel checking them out?)

Where is all this time now????

Of course, this would "explain" the muffled shots heard by the taxi driver that sound "far away" since inside the building would likely be muffled as opposed to outside shots. Maybe too conveniently "explains"...?

originally posted by: diggindirt
a reply to: ABNARTY

Before you get too deep into this dodging bullets theory take a look at pictures of the hallway and you'll see that the guestroom doorways are inset. The inset is clear in the photo of the food cart that is widely published. It appears that a normal-sized person could avoid being shot by simply staying out of the hallway while the bullets were flying. No magic required, just enough sense to stay behind a wall.

Not trying to be snarky---I wondered the same thing when I first heard that he'd dodged 199 bullets. Then I happened on a news clip of some officials walking down a hallway in the hotel and noticed the recessed doors. The picture of the food cart confirmed that those room doors are recessed.

The "door ajar" thing---a friend in the hotel business repeats what I've seen posted on one of the threads here---that is a code of sorts for a room that should be unoccupied becoming occupied. Think about it---at any given time there are lots of empty rooms in a hotel and employees who might have raging hormones.... Was it members of the hotel staff sneaking into an un-rented room to have a quickie that triggered the door ajar alarm? Or was it an elevator door open continuously that triggered an alarm which was transmitted to security and the maintenance department, causing both the security guy and the maintenance guy to appear on that floor? Lots of possibilities....

The dry wall that those insets are made out of will not stop 5.56mm. It will cut right through it like butter. Even the sheet metal framing inside of the walls will not stop those rounds. It might deflect them but until they have gone through a lot of material they will be traveling in excess of 3000 feet per second at that distance.

a reply to: hartbeat

people are here just posting things as fact here.

I wonder if they are still writing the script for this one. A second wounded man on the floor would have been know in the first hours. Not to mention the "dead" guard as reported. Seem obvious if either of the 2 hallway guys called in the change from after the concert shots to before would not have been needed because it would have been known.

If they actually have hallway video (we hear yes and no, people guessing) then 32nd floor stuff would be settled.

I think at this point they know most people will believe anything they say about the event. Blind trust in the authorities.

originally posted by: nicevillegrl
a reply to: hartbeat

No - remember... it was the room alarm that Campos responded to and gets shot. Then, maintenance guy goes to check stairwell door alarm for stuck door (HUH????) and Campos warns him to take cover before HE is shot at down the hall too. He credits Campos for saving his life. (Think this story is meant to confuse us? All these door alarms and people from the hotel checking them out?)

Where is all this time now????

Of course, this would "explain" the muffled shots heard by the taxi driver that sound "far away" since inside the building would likely be muffled as opposed to outside shots. Maybe too conveniently "explains"...?

Aren't the louder shots heard first though?

originally posted by: oakd1975
You guys know the Mandalay Bay records EVERYTHING except bathrooms & guest rooms. The cctv of the hallways would tell us everything. If they release them, it'd shut up a lot of speculation, if they don't, it's definitely a conspiracy.

It was posted earlier that MB does not have cameras in the halls. There was an accompanying article from a few years back discussing the LV hotels surveillance systems on the floor vs the rest of the hotels with MB being one of three out of 27 that does not have cameras on the guest floors.

However, they would have the lobby and elevators I'm sure. We still haven't seen the cliche stills from grainy security footage from these areas that usually accompany even the most mundane criminal reporting online and in news broadcasts.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: hartbeat

people are here just posting things as fact here.

I wonder if they are still writing the script for this one. A second wounded man on the floor would have been know in the first hours. Not to mention the "dead" guard as reported. Seem obvious if either of the 2 hallway guys called in the change from after the concert shots to before would not have been needed because it would have been known.

If they actually have hallway video (we hear yes and no, people guessing) then 32nd floor stuff would be settled.

I think at this point they know most people will believe anything they say about the event. Blind trust in the authorities.

I agree....and i don't believe any of it, a week and a half later and they just bring this maintenence guy out of the woodwork, what ever happened to the woman witness saying in the beginning they saw a guy dressed as security running through one of the other hotels being chased by other guys dressed as security?

Folks the Hotel DOES NOT RECORD THE HALLWAYS.
This was covered on the other thread. A local news channel did a story on it well prior to the shooting and reported that out of all the hotels on the strip only a very small number have cameras covering the guest floor hallways. The Mandalay Bay was NOT one of those hotels. They were specifically listed as having NO cameras in the guest hallways.

a reply to: sg1642

I'm actually not sure now with all these changing timelines. BUT if he shot Campos first through the room with the broken window - that would still be louder than when he shot down the hall at this new "Steven" maintenance man. SOOO confusing.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: hartbeat


I think at this point they know most people will believe anything they say about the event. Blind trust in the authorities.

Exactly. Shame on us, because they've lied to us many times before.

Here is the text of the story about the new Steven:

Stephen Schuck, a building engineer at Mandalay Bay, on Wednesday told NBC News Today show he was on a higher floor the night of Paddock's rampage when he was called to check on a fire exit door that would not open.

He said the hallway on the 32nd floor where Paddock was holed up was quiet when he arrived.

"About a third of the way down the hallway and I started to hear shots go off," Schuck said, although they apparently were not directed into the hallway.

Security guard Jesus Campos yelled to take cover moments before Paddock started shooting into the hallway, Schuck said.

"I could feel them pass right behind my head," Schuck said. "Something hit me in the back and I took cover."

Campos was shot in the leg. Schuck radioed to his supervisors to call police.

"I am incredibly blessed that somehow I came out of there alive," Schuck told Today. "When he first started shooting I was kind of in disbelief, but I told myself to remain calm; if I freaked out now it would only get me killed or injured."

From: www.usatoday.com...

ADDED: Schuck says something hit him in the back BUT he was not shot. ?

a reply to: Dragoon01

Even if there are no hallways cams, there must be some in all elevators. When the Boston bombing happened there was surveillance footage of the brothers pretty damn quickly all over the news. Yet thus far nothing of SP in the elevators, walking thru the casino, etc. that's a bit odd imo

a reply to: sg1642

Just posted the article of the new Steven story.

He says it was quiet when he started down the hall, then he heard shots directed outside. Then, saw Campos shot. Campos warned him to take cover and right after, SP shot at him down the hall.WEIRD.