About the Vegas Killer... newest info

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a reply to: MotherMayEye

Your not reading what I wrote...He is a witness

So several scenarios come to mind...

He may be put into witness protection because there was more than one shooter.
He may be being held as a possible suspect because he was part of the shooting.
He is dead

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Stories fit like OJ Simpson's gloves.

If the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit.

Did Paddock have gloves?

originally posted by: abeverage
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Your not reading what I wrote...He is a witness

So several scenarios come to mind...

He may be put into witness protection because there was more than one shooter.
He may be being held as a possible suspect because he was part of the shooting.
He is dead

That is actually not what you wrote earlier. You just wrote that he was a witness and was probably laying low for that reason or was asked to.

These are interesting ideas though:

He may be put into witness protection because there was more than one shooter.
He may be being held as a possible suspect because he was part of the shooting.
He is dead

originally posted by: Willtell

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: jadedANDcynical

Stories fit like OJ Simpson's gloves.

If the glove doesn’t fit you must acquit.

Did Paddock have gloves?

He did and they did look kind of small!

I had posted the day this unfortunate incident occurred that it happened the day OJ got out and in the same town.

I was scoured by some government shill when I tongue in cheek posted this.

I also said IF he was on the 33rd fl then we would have something since OJ got 33 years.

Anyway, getting back to this story, CNN reported tonight that even the sheriff isn’t sure there was only one shooter


Also, even the MSM is getting restless over the prevarications of these police officials ever changing stories.

a reply to: Boadicea

Posted on True Pundit was a story stating that the Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo is not telling the truth according to the DAs office.

Paddock, the DA insider said, was firing rounds from approximately 400 yards away from the concert from the 32nd floor on Mandalay Bay. The law enforcement source said investigators turned over proof to the FBI that a second shooter was firing from inside a perimeter of approximately 215 yards.

truepundit.com...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here's a good OP from ATS here revealing Julian Assange's opinion that the FBI was behind this.


Doesn't faze me. This could very well have been an FBI sting gone wrong

originally posted by: CynConcepts

originally posted by: Boadicea

originally posted by: CynConcepts
a reply to: MotherMayEye

Wild thought just crossed my mind. What if the police accidentally shot the security guard. The officers actually were the ones fired on by the shooter as originally released to media. Now, they covering their mistake and assuring Campos he will be a hero, if he goes along with the storyline. Perhaps, even a payoff?

I've wondered that also. Especially in light of the Aussie guy who claims he was staying next door in 134 and saw a security guy killed in a shootout with police... but I'm not sure I believe any of his story, because Room #134 is the adjoining rooms and doesn't have a bathroom! Then again, if the cops did shoot a security guy, then maybe they would plant just such a story with easily proven mis-truths just to discredit the truth at the same time.

At this point, anything is possible.

Optional adjoining bedrooms usually always have their own bathroom. Where did you see that there was no bathroom in 32-134? I agree it seems strange the Aussie dude would say that was his room. It would make more sense if he was one room further down, but it is what he says, I would imagine that he has a receipt that shows his room number on it.

Regarding that guy's story---I would need to see that receipt before believing him. One would think that the media people would also ask to see that receipt wouldn't they? Trust but verify---isn't a big stretch. They used to teach that sort of thing in journalism but apparently the 5 pillars of journalism (Who, What, When, Where and Why) have been discarded in favor of "How did it feel?" Critical thinking is SOOOOO old-fashioned in this modern world.

In the same vein I need to see pictures of that shot-up hallway. How about just showing the elevator doors? If 200 rounds were shot through the right-hand door (as seen from the interior of the room) then at least some of those bullets MUST have struck the elevator doors at the end of the hall.

An interview with a guest that was on the floor below (found here: www.nytimes.com...) confirms that he heard two initial volleys of fire.

Q: Where were you when the shooting began?
A: I was just kicking back for the night, getting ready for bed. I heard the first volley go off. Like everyone else says, it sounded like fireworks. I went over the window and looked out over at the concert venue, and I didn’t see any fireworks. It was about the third volley that it kicked in that it was something more than fireworks.

Q: Could you tell it was right above you?
A: About the third time, it was really loud, right above me. My assumption is that was when he went over to the other window. That’s when I started hearing the actual echoes. Echoed from the reports off the outside of the building, I guess. It was much louder, much more intense. I could actually hear debris hit my window.

That account seems to fit with the revised timeline. If the shooter was at the door of 135 for the first two volleys then moved into 134---just above the interviewee's room, the sounds would have been louder and the debris would have been coming down from the breaking window.

On the issue of no bullets hitting the cart; given where the holes in suite door are located and that the food cart was on the side with door with no holes in it, it isn't out of reason that no bullets hit the cart but those 200 rounds had to hit somewhere and I'm doubting that they all hit in the carpet of the hallway. The official story was that the guard was hit in the thigh, something I can readily accept if he ducked into a recess. Even a bullet ricocheting off the elevator doors could easily have penetrated his skin and lodged in his thigh. During the time I worked at a hospital we didn't see a ton of gunshot wounds but most of the ones we did see were from accidental ricochet. (The most notable was the local county attorney when he decided he need to learn to use a gun and was practicing "quick draw" with a loaded pistol in his office. He managed to fire while drawing or holstering, the bullet hit his metal desk, then a filing cabinet then lodged in his thigh mere inches from a very delicate part of his anatomy. :ham

Does anyone know the context of this photo?

(open in a new tab for a closer view)

Without any context, it almost looks like two adult men in front of a two-way mirror showing another room where a children's cartoon is playing for someone (uh, presumably that would be a young girl(s) who would be interested in the Powerpuff Girls).

Hoping someone has a less eyebrow raising context so I don't have to think this every time I see this pic...


ETA: Also, is that a cluster of thumb tack holes to the left of 'Stephen Paddock's" head? Anyone want to opine on that?

Here's a new one...
We got another door problem on the 32nd floor that just so happened to bring a witness to the Campos shooting.

This time we have a recording
www.today.com...

In one of the most shocking developments to emerge in the week-and-a-half since Stephen Paddock killed 59 people and wounded more than 500 others during the worst mass shooting in US history, NBC is reporting that a maintenance worker said Wednesday he told hotel dispatchers to call police and report a gunman had opened fire with a rifle inside Mandalay Bay before Paddock began firing on the Harvest country music festival below.

Worker Stephen Schuck told NBC News that he was checking out a report of a jammed fire door on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay when he heard Paddock shoot security guard Jesus Campos in the leg. After the shooting, Campos peeked out from an alcove and told Schuck to take cover.

“As soon as I started to go to a door to my left the rounds started coming down the hallway,” Schuck said. “I could feel them pass right behind my head. “It was kind of relentless so I called over the radio what was going on,” he said.

“As soon as the shooting stopped we made our way down the hallway and took cover again and then the shooting started again.”

www.zerohedge.com...


THEY NEED TO FIX THEIR DOORS IN THIS HOTEL

Very convenient

a reply to: xuenchen

Here's a video that's already in at least 2 threads already.

I see some issues with the video, but take a look.

There seems to be no shots fired from Mandalay Bay.

Time to look at different possibilities especially "Paddock".

I ruled out Paddock a long time ago... If for no other reason than because no one person did this alone.

As for the helicopter, I'm intrigued to say the least. I can entertain this theory. It would explain the gunfire coming from above. It also sounded to me like I could hear three weapons shooting at different intervals and with different sounds in the video, which might be other shooters on the ground in the venue... but wouldn't they be worried about getting hit from the overhead fire? (Sounds like a sucker's job to me!) It might also explain some of the witness accounts of shots away from the concert venue and Mandalay, as those directly below and everywhere in between would hear the gunshots as well -- probably better. But only some of them.

Much earlier in this thread -- I couldn't even hazard a guess where -- someone suggested that a helicopter was involved, and if I remember correctly, the poster even referred to a helicopter that could be seen going behind Mandalay.

a reply to: MotherMayEye

I think I remember reading it was from 10 years ago.

originally posted by: IAMTAT
a reply to: MotherMayEye

I think I remember reading it was from 10 years ago.

Ha...well I guess my question is..."were Stephen and Eric Paddock watching little girls behind two-way mirrors, ten years ago, OR does this photo tell a totally innocent story that's not clear from looking at this pic?"

It's a weird pic. I just wondered what the heck they are doing and what I am looking at in it.

a reply to: pale5218

“He’s doing and saying what the FBI is telling him and the majority of it makes no sense to anyone who has conducted criminal investigations for any length of time.

“You have to understand the FBI in Las Vegas only takes, they never give anything and this includes information. It is the same with the way they treat the DA’s office and Metro (Las Vegas Police).”

That's exactly what I've assumed is happening, because that's how they operate. Bullies and thugs. That's how all the Feds operate, and it's been a big source of contention in the southwest forever.

We really can't trust anything they say... if they're not lying liars, then they're grossly incompetent.

originally posted by: Boadicea
a reply to: pale5218

“He’s doing and saying what the FBI is telling him and the majority of it makes no sense to anyone who has conducted criminal investigations for any length of time.

“You have to understand the FBI in Las Vegas only takes, they never give anything and this includes information. It is the same with the way they treat the DA’s office and Metro (Las Vegas Police).”

That's exactly what I've assumed is happening, because that's how they operate. Bullies and thugs. That's how all the Feds operate, and it's been a big source of contention in the southwest forever.

We really can't trust anything they say... if they're not lying liars, then they're grossly incompetent.

And I don't think it's incompetence.

Now we have the shooters home being broken into and the hero Campos has armed guards protecting him outside his house. This is so a$$backwards. Something has to break on this story, it seems too much information is being guarded.

originally posted by: Willtell
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Here's a good OP from ATS here revealing Julian Assange's opinion that the FBI was behind this.

Doesn't faze me. This could very well have been an FBI sting gone wrong

Yup! That's my current working theory... but blaming the Feds is always my default position

a reply to: MotherMayEye

Could it not be Eric Paddocks children? An office in his home perhaps? I think that your suspicions are a bit of a leap to say the least. I hardly think they would be willing to a) take a photograph if they were involved in such a scenario and b) let it out to the press. The picture to me is quite innocent and shows office equipment such as a fax machine and a large window

a reply to: Willtell

Oh dear Lord... they just can't stop re-writing the script!

Worker Stephen Schuck told NBC News that he was checking out a report of a jammed fire door on the 32nd floor of Mandalay Bay when he heard Paddock shoot security guard Jesus Campos in the leg. After the shooting, Campos peeked out from an alcove and told Schuck to take cover.

Just earlier this morning we got this story:

Schuck was on a higher level of the Las Vegas hotel on Oct. 1 when he got a call to look at a fire exit door that wouldn’t open on the 32nd floor.... Schuck was just entering the hallway when the first round of bullets went off at about 9:59 p.m.

Source

And then we got a little closer with this story:

Campos heard a drilling sound and thought it was odd. A maintenance worker came up to the 32nd floor. As the pair started talking, Paddock began firing through the door of his room, first with a single-fire gun and then with a rapid-fire rifle.

Source

I just know that next we're going to here how Campos selflessly threw his body on the naive maintenance worker, shielding his body from the gunfire, and taking a hit in the process... Okay, maybe not. But that's how ridiculous this all is. Hrmph.