About the Vegas Killer... newest info

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Yes, absolutely, the timeline is wholly unacceptable, categorically even! There is simply zero acceptable explanation of this ultra-extended timeline. Either the SWAT team and it's handlers need a complete investigation into processes and procedures, OR...someone consciously delayed them from going about their duty. I'm beginning to believer the latter over the former.

Concerning the following...

If the gunman did indeed shoot Campos in the lower leg, was the gunman shooting lying down on the floor behind the door? That's the only way I can think he would only get shot in the lower leg and not get hit by the multitude of bullets flying around.

Without reading anything else into your question and just answering the question at face value... No, he could have been in any position while shooting. Whenever a bullet passes through anything, even a sheet of paper, its trajectory is altered. In the case of passing through a door, or other similar material, its trajectory on the other side of the door would be significantly changed. It may only be several degrees of angle, but it will be changed. What this means is the point of impact will be different than the point of aim, sometimes significantly.

I've personally experienced this where a bullet struck a tiny twig on a tree 50m or so in front of a target and completely missed the target altogether as a result (and not a small target either). The twig was maybe 2mm (1/8") in diameter. This happened with a .27 caliber bullet, which is heavier and less likely to deflect (mass+inertia) than the shooter's .22 caliber bullets. Bottom line, the impact location had little to do with the shooter's position while shooting. Plus, the shooter could have simply just aimed lower or wild (which would be pretty common in a situation like this).

Lots of interesting firsthand accounts of multiple shooters -- both at the concert and at other casinos -- here:

Vegas Man claims there were multiple shooters, posts conflicting videos and pictures says multiple locations fired on

Lots of screenshots from Facebook and Instagram, links to videos, etc.

And the following Reddit post was posted at 10:10, about five minutes after the shooting started, with real-time updates from his sister (contacting him from the concert) and from police scanners, and complaints that the local news isn't reporting it.

Gunshots downtown right now?

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

Ahh right sorry I know little about guns etc thanks for that

On a sidenote, with the quantity of bullets fired presumably in rapid succession, would it be feasible that not all the bullets would drop trajectory to that degree? It seems from my scarce knowledge that if Campos was standing in the hallway and a rain of 200 bullets was fired, more than one should have hit and at least one far higher up the body? Or am I just misunderstanding the whole gun thing lol

Looks like a brain tumor can be ruled out.

www.dailymail.co.uk...

It has now been confirmed also from the article quoted by IAMTAT that they have watched hours of cctv footage and there is no evidence of Paddock hiring prostitutes (as quoted by that very same tabloid only days ago) and no evidence of Paddock going into the desert to practice for this scenario. They have interviewed his entire family apparently and still found no known motive or anyone with concerns over his mental health.

So, to refresh, Paddock had no known mental illness, had seen his doctor recently, had no brain tumour. did NOT use prostitutes, was not an alcoholic, was on good terms with both ex wives, his current gf had no concerns and described him as a lovely gentle man, his brother described him the same and said he was very generous and loved to help, an employee who managed some of his properties said he was a gentle giant with a great sense of humour who loved to help people and his tenants particularly, basically no-one really has a bad word to say about him but they've tried and tried to paint a picture of a gambling alcoholic mentally ill rape fantasist...hmmm

I almost kinda feel sorry for him. I don't think he did this

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Well, to be honest, I'm still struggling with the whole notion 200 shots were fired into the hallway at all. So yes, I would think there's a very high probability that Campos would have been hit multiple times if he was hit once. The whole narrative of 200 rounds down a narrow hallway and only being hit once in the leg is right up there with being struck by lightning AND winning the lottery on the same day! In other words, it's virtually impossible.

And further, if somehow this turned out to be true (200 shots down the hall and only struck once), then it would mean the shooter was just shooting completely "wild"...which would mean there would be bullet holes through both doors, and the entire hallway would be shredded from the hail of gunfire...which there is no evidence of at all.

So yes, you are correct in questioning the validity of the narrative here. Again, as I noted in my previous post, I was just answering your question purely at face value, not in the context of this event...in which nothing seems to add up.

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Ahem...I have some ocean front property for sale in the state of Iowa if you're interested!

Just kidding, but that would be an attractive offer if you truly believe the narrative being given out about him being such an innocent poor soul.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

To me that certainly isn't the narrative being given out. It seems anytime someone has a nice word about the guy they will find a dozen other persons to produce something counter such as some off the sidewalk prostitute. They have tried and tried to paint this guy as I said above but its turning out to be false. They need a monster and they need a hero so they will manufacture both if none are actually available. Just an opinion on the way things are unfolding

originally posted by: Flyingclaydisk
a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Well, to be honest, I'm still struggling with the whole notion 200 shots were fired into the hallway at all. So yes, I would think there's a very high probability that Campos would have been hit multiple times if he was hit once. The whole narrative of 200 rounds down a narrow hallway and only being hit once in the leg is right up there with being struck by lightning AND winning the lottery on the same day! In other words, it's virtually impossible.

And further, if somehow this turned out to be true (200 shots down the hall and only struck once), then it would mean the shooter was just shooting completely "wild"...which would mean there would be bullet holes through both doors, and the entire hallway would be shredded from the hail of gunfire...which there is no evidence of at all.

So yes, you are correct in questioning the validity of the narrative here. Again, as I noted in my previous post, I was just answering your question purely at face value, not in the context of this event...in which nothing seems to add up.

I cannot understand why they would keep saying 200 rounds into the hallway. It is obvious from videos that the clips used on the crowd were only 20-30 max. Each took about 9-10 seconds to empty. There were a couple shorter barrages of 5 secs where obviously the guns jammed up. Plus, the pic of the door shows 12-13 holes with the lower half hidden. I would think that at the most used would've been a 30 clip used and unloaded through the door at the security guard.

So why are they saying 200? It is completely illogical!

a reply to: CynConcepts

OOh good points! I'm not clever enough to put all that together lol

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

Okay, here's the thing...

Let's distill Paddock down to the lowest common denominator...

He was a gambler.

In order to be a good gambler, a person has to be a good liar, regardless of what type of gambling. They may be all different lies depending on the game, but they're still lies.

Was Paddock a liar?

Well, I'd say so. Minimally, he was certainly pretty deceptive...

- The hotel comped his suite under the pretense he'd be spending money gambling. He violates probably 50 rules of the hotel by bringing a virtual armory of firearms AND ammunition to his room.

- He has a virtual arsenal of firearms, all clearly and undeniably registered to him. Not even the dealers who sold him these firearms dispute this point.

- He purchases a large percentage of the firearms found in the room in the last year. Yet everyone who knows him doesn't even think he's interested in shooting or firearms. (?????) Even his brother says this on national television. Even you said it in your post (no evidence of practice). Again, remember, these firearms are registered to him.

So, while he may, or may not, have perpetrated this act, in any case he's not some completely unrelated party to this whole incident...which also makes him a liar.

There's just no way you can paint Paddock completely innocent.

Well, this is interesting.

Vegas Gunman had access to service elevator

Las Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock had access to and used the service elevator at the Mandalay Bay Hotel and Casino in the days leading up to his attack on a country music festival, sources told ABC News.

Officials briefed on the investigation told ABC News that Paddock's access to the service elevator was a perk for high rollers. No further information about when and how he used the elevator has been released.

Curious.

Las Vegas shooter’s Reno home broken into, FBI revisiting

www.rgj.com...

originally posted by: PhyllidaDavenport
a reply to: CynConcepts

OOh good points! I'm not clever enough to put all that together lol

That's why I shared the timeline of shooting from two videos that merged accurately, earlier in this thread. Even the times in between shooting was interesting calculations.

Unfortunately, I only have found video that starts 3 m 12 sec before the shooting. Now that LE moved the security guy shooting to 6 minutes before...I have not found a source yet to hear any shooting or glass breaking.

Edit add: found the reply post link for quick peek access, if interested in the whole post with videos, go to page 79. a reply to: CynConcepts

a reply to: diggindirt

If it turned out that the entire wing was empty except for that suite at the end of the hall? Makes you wonder...but I've yet to even see a reporter even approach those questions. They are far too busy repeating over and over what the spokepersons say. I suppose the feds could have warned the employees not to talk under pain of arrest for "interfering in an investigation"...thus the total silence. It will be interesting to see who writes the first book.

Ahhhhh... you mean you want real reporters like the good old days that stuck their nose where the authorities didn't want it, demanding answers and information, interviewing anyone and everyone even remotely involved, digging up embarrassing documents and records... you mean those kinds of reporters??? Yeah, me, too.

For what it's worth, I would imagine that these days there are laws and rules and regulations that basically allow police (and in this instance, that means the FBI) that can shut down all avenues of information, and pretty force reporters to report what they say -- and as the official and final authority of course. With confidentiality clauses and non-disclosure "agreements", I'm not even sure the witnesses themselves could speak without legal action taken against them. "Oh, you want to leave this locked down hotel? Okay, but sign this first." "Yeah, I bet you want your phone back... here, sign this and you can have it... and, oh, by the way, it accidentally-on-purpose got all erased. Bummer about that."

All of that is important: Knowing how many people were on that floor, which rooms had guests and which didn't, which guests were in their rooms and which guests were not... and then interviewing those guests, workers, etc. But I can't even find how they're numbered. I did see a picture of the cart in front of the door in which the room number was clearly visible: 32-134. That helps a little.

a reply to: Boadicea

I did see a picture of the cart in front of the door in which the room number was clearly visible: 32-134.

The cart that was in the hallway where 200 rounds were fired and not one hit the cart? lol

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

If the gunman did indeed shoot Campos in the lower leg, was the gunman shooting lying down on the floor behind the door? That's the only way I can think he would only get shot in the lower leg and not get hit by the multitude of bullets flying around.

That's the only way I can see it -- and with it mounted on the bipod, possibly having restricted motion, which would explain why there aren't bullet holes all over the door as well. There could be a huge chunk missing behind the other door as we see it in the picture. We just don't know.

Now this could be down to all the multiple shooting reports (a distraction?) but it should be noted that it is now stated that Campos was shot at 9.59 and immediately reported it to reception who called police, so they knew exactly where the gunman was, what room/floor etc so what was the delay?

That makes no sense. I would hope the officers would focus on the task at hand and get their immediate job done -- not let themselves be distracted by what was going on elsewhere. On the police audio, there were five LV police officers ready to go in, and dispatch told them to wait for SWAT. I didn't get that when it was the old timeline -- and I really don't get it with the new timeline.

I'm also wondering if SWAT was the LVMPD's own SWAT... or if it was an FBI or ATF SWAT unit... I sure hope it wasn't the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team. Where they go, trouble always follows.

I haven't heard one word from or about Mandalay security beyond this phantom security guard. Where were they in all this? What were they doing? Where have they been since the attack? It seems to me that if they had their druthers, that they'd be in big time damage control, but we haven't heard squat. I'm wondering if the FBI has this locked down to that extent that no one and nobody can speak on the record.

a reply to: Boadicea

Exactly, if security guard was hit 6 minutes prior to the shooting and had already radioed security dispatch. Would he not immediately radio back again to tell them about all of the gunfire heard now? Obviously, he spoke to someone else at that time. Where is their statement? Is it possible the early reports of 200 rounds in the hallway is simply a misinterpretation from this initial contact event? An assumption by the guard and not actual fact? If so, wouldn't the investigators have figured this out and reported it as such?

a reply to: CynConcepts

Not only that but despite being shot and therefore knowing there was a shooter in the room and despite being unarmed, he just stayed put on that floor for some reason. He didn't go for help, didn't go for medical aid, didn't even go to meet the coppers coming into the hotel to fill them in on what had happened, he just stood there bleeding lol makes little sense to me. Then we have the sudden appearance of a "maintenance man" who allegedly Campos was protecting...sigh

a reply to: PhyllidaDavenport

The cart that was in the hallway where 200 rounds were fired and not one hit the cart? lol

That would be the one! The miracle cart of Mandalay Bay!!!