Mutiple shooters confirmed by taxi driver footage WE are being lied too.1st 2 Mins vid

originally posted by: neutronflux

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: AlienVessel

I see you're newer here. An old homeless adage goes, 'Don't crap where you sleep, and don't eat where you crap'.

Although ATS has its share of disinformation, like the rest of the internet, it is one of the places the truth can still be mined. You just keep panning till you find those nuggets of truth.

There is no arguing with a person that sees conspiracies everywhere and their arguments are reduced to their concrete proof of “I said it’s all lies”, and “I am the only one smart/special/righteous enough to see the truth.”

Or the disinformation specialist that degrades site integrity by saying "its all lies here".

Not you, other poster.

Great catch....that certainly looks like there's shots fired from the top of the pyramid...

I haven't read every page here, but the actual explanation of the sounds is very simple.

There are 3 basic sounds you will hear downrange of high-power rifle fire.

The first sound you'll here is the crack of the bullets themselves, this sound is a small sonic boom created by the bullet itself passing you, the shockwave travels WITH each round. The second, much lower sound is the rifle itself; an M-16, or .223 AR-15 bullet travels about 3x the speed of sound. The gunman was about 525yards away, so the actual gun firing sound will be 1.4seconds AFTER you hear the higher pitch bullet cracks. This is why you've heard the saying "when you hear the shot, you're already hit"

And last there is the sound of the bullets striking objects which sounds like a loud clicking, or obviously pings when they strike metal.

A fourth sound we all know from movies and it was really sobering to hear in several of the videos from Vegas; it really showed just how real this sh!t was: The whizzing zing of bullets barely missing the camera-person.

Beyond this, obviously in a place like Vegas with lots of glass and concrete, there's also echos.

a reply to: Mclaneinc

I posted this on another thread but thought I would put this here.
I came across this last night on LiveLeak

Sounds like two different calibers, one distant, one close, different burst rates and overlapping.
It does not seem like echoes.

Take a listen and see what you think. It states it on the link but the audio of the overlapping fire starts at :56.

www.liveleak.com...

a reply to: pale5218

After listening so closely to so many recordings of so many shooting incidents, hasn't it dawned on all of you that acoustics can be deceptive... especially when your baseline is action movie sound effects?

a reply to: DJW001

Also with so many rounds fired some were possibly ricocheting off various surfaces too consistently, which could be the variants in noises heard between shots fired and impacts.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: pale5218

After listening so closely to so many recordings of so many shooting incidents, hasn't it dawned on all of you that acoustics can be deceptive... especially when your baseline is action movie sound effects?

This is not a movie. I don't listen to many incidents. This just happen to stand out as interesting.

originally posted by: Ophiuchus 13
a reply to: DJW001

Also with so many rounds fired some were possibly ricocheting off various surfaces too consistently, which could be the variants in noises heard between shots fired and impacts.

I also don't think this is ricocheting, it's gun fire.

a reply to: pale5218

I personally dont know.
Out of respect to those displaced-sent and their families I wont assume I do...

originally posted by: pale5218

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: pale5218

After listening so closely to so many recordings of so many shooting incidents, hasn't it dawned on all of you that acoustics can be deceptive... especially when your baseline is action movie sound effects?

This is not a movie. I don't listen to many incidents. This just happen to stand out as interesting.

So you have no baseline at all.

a reply to: pale5218

It was not suggested that this incident was a movie. The suggestion was that ones only baseline for a firefight is usually a movie, unless one has some specific an extensive experience in combat zones.

Those are very different suggestions, I think you will agree.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: pale5218

It was not suggested that this incident was a movie. The suggestion was that ones only baseline for a firefight is usually a movie, unless one has some specific an extensive experience in combat zones.

Those are very different suggestions, I think you will agree.

I would agree quite different. The uploaded video is not a movie.

Movies or extensive experience in combat zones are not the only way to form a baseline.

I posted the audio for others to listen to and I haven’t heard from you guys what YOU think against your baseline.

It’s not that difficult.

a reply to: pale5218

If you have no baseline, all you have is imagination. From my experience in urban environments, I know that simply taking a step or turning one's head can completely change the tenor of a sound. The experts on TV mystery shows can perform analyses that are impossible in the real world.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: pale5218

If you have no baseline, all you have is imagination. From my experience in urban environments, I know that simply taking a step or turning one's head can completely change the tenor of a sound. The experts on TV mystery shows can perform analyses that are impossible in the real world.

I’m just asking does this sound like Rambo or Platoon?

Focus!

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Asktheanimals

The police arrived on the 32nd floor about 15 minutes after the shooting started. They then spent the next hour evacuating the floor and setting up a plan that would minimize the risk to civilians. This claim that it took police an hour to figure out where he was simply isn't true.

The idea it took police 60 minutes to clear a hall and breach a room is ridiculous.
Even the worst chinese restaurant delivery is faster than that.

originally posted by: Asktheanimals

originally posted by: Xcalibur254
a reply to: Asktheanimals

The police arrived on the 32nd floor about 15 minutes after the shooting started. They then spent the next hour evacuating the floor and setting up a plan that would minimize the risk to civilians. This claim that it took police an hour to figure out where he was simply isn't true.

The idea it took police 60 minutes to clear a hall and breach a room is ridiculous.
Even the worst chinese restaurant delivery is faster than that.

Really ever try to do something under the threat of fire? You tend to be cautious and do things slowly. Plus they couldn't afford toys put all the guests in the hall at the same time since the shooter was attempting to kill people. So try eva cutting a floor one person at a time and see how quickly it goes.

a comparison video was made
by playing a known
M240 audio and overlapping it
against the Las Vegas shooter(s) .
Guess what ?
You know what.

And if that isn't worrisome enough.
How about what sounds like sniper fire that
ends up making people surge for exits
before the M240 opening barrage ?


at 3:56 they overlap that's a neat trick
for one shooter.

a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

Remember, his weapons were on auto fire. He could have several going at once.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: UnderKingsPeak

Remember, his weapons were on auto fire. He could have several going at once.

In the second video starts w a single shot sniper and then an M249.
it's a 39 second video that also contains video and audio of bump fire
slip stock AR15's so listen it's undeniable.
Noticed neither video works.
Youtube m249 las vegas shooter audio
please