I'd Guess maybe 5 Percent of those who watch the NFL stand for the Anthem. The hypocrisy is HUGE

a reply to: ColoradoJens

Here in Green Bay Packerland, we all stand for the national anthem and put hand to heart. Guess we're above average!

a reply to: soberbacchus

They love to do that at NASCAR too ... but I'm sure that folks will be properly outraged now.

originally posted by: kyleplatinum

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: roadgravel

Since I guess you think the most perfect time and place to protest is at a live NFL game, during the National Anthem, right?

It seems to be a good time for a protest given the result.

Protests are OK except when (fill in the blank).

(Constituionally protected) protests are ok except when.... they hurt people's feelings?

Good one on the "feelings" smh.

Their protest is protected, but during a live game in front of the US flag during the National Anthem is very misguided and shows that you are against the ideals and values of America.

Why would any American disagree?

If by being against Constituional rights means I'm against the ideals and values of America.... sobeit.

a reply to: ColoradoJens

Do tell us, where do you get that "5%" figure? Did you pick it up from your magic hat? How many "friends from all political spectrum do you have"? I doubt you have even 100 such friends with whom you always watch football. How many? 10, at most maybe 20?... How many of those friends of yours are "socialists/communists/anarchists" etc, including other people who always talk crap about the U.S. the flag and capitalism in general. BTW, i wonder, you discuss politics with your "friends" when watching football?

Not to mention, I am not a football fan, but what I have seen is that the cameras never seem to stay on the flag, many times most of the cameras are filming whomever is singing the anthem, or they film the people in the stands. Forgive me if I am not "football savvy". I do know however that people stand and salute the flag when they are right at the site of the flag, they can see it, and the anthem is playing.

Now, we are talking about the fact that football, among other sports, have turned political, and they all are left-wing these days. Now these leftwingers, or other people who don't want to be seen as "politically incorrect", in the NFL are using sports to propagate their leftwing political bias to everyone all over the country, and they keep trying to "rationalize" the politicization of sports trying to instill in the American public that "being left-wing = being pro-American", which is BS to start with.

BTW, as to your question if i salute the flag when watching sports?... i don't watch sports.

a reply to: soberbacchus

As I mentioned ...





Sooo ... I guess we'll see page after page of calls for boycotts on NASCAR now?

As they are directly (and far more dramatically) disrespecting the Flag?

I have only watched a few minutes of NASCAR racing. About the only exciting thing, although sad, is the wrecks. Otherwise it's hours of an endless left turn.

a reply to: ColoradoJens


Everyone is a hypocrite. The pile cant get any higher than it already is.

originally posted by: roadgravel
I have only watched a few minutes of NASCAR racing. About the only exciting thing, although sad, is the wrecks. Otherwise it's hours of an endless left turn.

I'm a native Georgian. My dad "listened to the races" on the radio. He loved it.

For me, it was mind-numbing.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Adding in a police car or two for chasing might up the entertainment value.

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: Gryphon66

Adding in a police car or two for chasing might up the entertainment value.

LOL.

Or have half the cars going in one direction and the rest in the other.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Maybe change the rules to be more inline with roller derby.

a reply to: ColoradoJensOne only stands if you are at the event and its being played there-the radio and tv doesn't necessitate one to stand,.any veteran knows this. If you are driving in your car you don't have to stand,

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: Gryphon66

Maybe change the rules to be more inline with roller derby.

I'm not sure of your geographic location or how widespread this is, but we actually already have this ... it's called Demolition Derby.

a reply to: Gryphon66

How does showing respect to the Flag and making a statement about Americans who aren't treated equally act against the ideals and values of America again?

Expressing a protest DURING the Country's National Anthem, which is not on their own time, is just not right. This is a blatant misuse of a venue... but they are entitled, so it's a-ok with them.

But let's take a look at Kaepernick's reason for his original protest, "Im not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color."
Purposely not showing pride for a country and it's flag over a false narrative, when America has had a black president for the last 8 years.... Black people are not oppressed.

They say it's not a protest of the flag. They say it’s not a protest of the U.S. military..... Well, if that's the case then the players should have no problem STANDING in front of the flag DURING the national anthem. Right?

Either way, I don't have to agree with the protests and that's ok. If the players were on their own time protesting, then I would not have an issue at all.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: roadgravel
a reply to: Gryphon66

Maybe change the rules to be more inline with roller derby.

I'm not sure of your geographic location or how widespread this is, but we actually already have this ... it's called Demolition Derby.

Yes, I forgot about that past time. I'm in Texas. I suppose rodeo is more popular to the general masses then auto racing.

a reply to: ColoradoJens

You are to stand 'in the presence' of the flag. Not just because a song plays. Most at the game stand, those at home are not in the presence of the flag, therefore do not.

originally posted by: IlluminatiTechnician
a reply to: ColoradoJens

You are to stand 'in the presence' of the flag. Not just because a song plays. Most at the game stand, those at home are not in the presence of the flag, therefore do not.

Fair enough. But what if the person had a flag in their house, same room.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The flag is not touching the ground I noticed. Nobody seems to be protesting except you.

Technically they are disrespecting the flag. But then it's the old OK because we are doing. Same stuff, different group.