Trump-BOYCOTT NFL teams whose players refuse to stand for the National Anthem

Well I guess Yay Trump.

He basically said how I feel about the situation.

These players have freedom of speech.

But there's no freedom of consequence.

They wear a jersey, that represents the owner, a shield that represents a league.

Protesting on the job, could and should get you fired.

Protest on your own time.

Your paid to run throw and catch a ball, period.

I read some responses of players telling Trump to stay out of football, fair enough, then you players stay out of politics.

It's a league of rapists, felons, woman beaters, drug dealers, murders, there's really no defending this league

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: amazing

The president is still a U.S. citizen and has all the same rights as every other citizen. I think he should be allowed to voice his opinions, if anything it will just show him for what he is, a narcissistic man-child who cries wolf every time someone criticizes him.

See?

Wonderful!

I agree with you.

Everyone has the right to hope he gets assassinated, everyone has the right to call him a dick.

Just as he has the right to say what he wants.

a reply to: amazing

Yep. What happened to all of the "free speech" and "govt needs to stay out of our lives" talk? People claim they want freedom but won't tolerate disobedience. Hypocrites!

Not to mention, a lot of these people happily wave the flag of a nation that killed several hundred thousand Americans. But then they feign outrage when someone won't stand for the American flag, as if their own gesture isn't a slap in the face to the American flag. (ok ok, flags don't have faces but you get my point)

a reply to: badw0lf


Oh, okay. So that whole argument you made: " Protesting the government is one thing. This is not protesting the government, however. It's a racial issue. It's not against the government, it's against a problem that is perceived to be a larger issue."

....was just a "my pants are too tight. so I put an ice cream cone on my head", moment for you as well then, eh? You admit that 1st Amendment covers those who protest police brutality and systemic racism.

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: angeldoll

originally posted by: DBCowboy

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: amazing

So people with power should not offer opinions?

They lose that right?

The president, definitely. It's unprofessional. Again he's the leader of a country, telling a business to fire employees that offend him.

So football players have the right to free expression, but presidents you don't like, don't.

What? That wasn't even implied in that post.

Then why the pissing and moaning?

Show me in the Constitution where the president can't open his pie hole and say what he thinks.

That's my point. Nobody said that. We don't have to like his sophomoric antics, or the embarrassing things he says, but no body has said he can't open his pie hole. Or delicious chocolate cake hole, and say what he chooses. You've continued your original strawman argument to me. Noted.

originally posted by: Black_Fox


It's a league of rapists, felons, woman beater, drug dealers, murders, there's really no defending this league.

It's also a league of philanthropists, community leaders, etc. And there's a helluva lot more of those than the less than 1% of the people you mentioned.

a reply to: Black_Fox

It's a league of rapists, felons, woman beaters, drug dealers, murders, there's really no defending this league

Well damn, we've got the same type of people all over America. I guess that's a good enough reason to boycott America because of the few bad apples?

Funny thing about free speech, no one is under any obligation to listen.

You can choose to not listen to the president.

You can choose not to watch football.

Yay freedom!

originally posted by: Konduit
The NFL is getting hammered after another game was played in a half-empty stadium

Another aspect is the games have gotten ridiculously long. I gave up my Giants season tickets because I got tired of the flex schedule and games that ran into the next morning.

The NFL gives zero craps about its fans.

Isn't it illegal for a President to attempt to influence the employment practices of independent businesses?

originally posted by: Painterz
Isn't it illegal for a President to attempt to influence the employment practices of independent businesses?

Quote the law.

It'd be interesting to see.

originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: Black_Fox


It's a league of rapists, felons, woman beater, drug dealers, murders, there's really no defending this league.

It's also a league of philanthropists, community leaders, etc. And there's a helluva lot more of those than the less than 1% of the people you mentioned.

And?

Those same people have zero problem allowing pieces of trash to represent them.

And if there so many other upstanding people, why do the fans always get the bill for their damn stadiums?

a reply to: intrepid

That's just it though. He's playing to his base. They'll eat it up as usual. Wrapped in the flag of course.

Oh I bet this is how Trump feels.

The thing that will change this is when the advertising $$$ drop, the players will stand or have strict sanctions applied to their paychecks.


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real question:

does anyone know ANY ONE who has changed their mind about anything relating to the treatment of blacks as a result of some sports dudes kneeling during the anthem?

thought so.

a reply to: seasonal

I find it odd that ATS members are wanting these players fired for not participating in a voluntary act of patriotism towards a nation they don't feel represents their best interests, yet... I'm seeing an overlap between those outraged by this and the people who thought it was wrong for white nationalists to get fired for attending a literal Nazi rally.

In other words, by today's ATS logic, opting out of an optional jingoist sing-a-long is more fire-worthy than marching with literal Nazis.

The more I learn of the membership's true colors on this site, the more sad I get.

i say protest all you want, but some things i learned was you stand for the flag. i remember being at camp when i was 12 and some izreali's were laughing and mocking as the flag was raised, and i was take aback even at 12.

i loved kaepernick when he took over the 49ers. but his kneeling is ridiculous. it makes zero sense.

the nfl is also ridiculous. they fine players for end zone celebrations.

then trunp is also ridiculous for polarizing the country again by calling out 'young' athletes. the media is basically alt-left at this point, so now the media (there by the nfl) has ammunition against trunp and his supporters. this is why i knew hilllary was evil, but no way could i vote trunp either lol. but i never vote mainstream anyways.

personally i think you should stand during the anthem. as a libertarian its technically none of my business if you lazily sit.

but these guys protesting? they should be protesting the inter--nationalists who run the country. the bankerz, lobbysists, inter-nationlists etc. the inter-nationalists love this, because all the heat is on the flag, the nfl, and trunp. when the true troubles of the ENTIRE planet are the inter-nationliats ruling over it.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: seasonal

I find it odd that ATS members are wanting these players fired for not participating in a voluntary act of patriotism towards a nation they don't feel represents their best interests, yet... I'm seeing an overlap between those outraged by this and the people who thought it was wrong for white nationalists to get fired for attending a literal Nazi rally.

In other words, by today's ATS logic, opting out of an optional jingoist sing-a-long is more fire-worthy than marching with literal Nazis.

The more I learn of the membership's true colors on this site, the more sad I get.

Join the club .

a reply to: Abysha

So we're Nazi's if we think it's disrespectful and annoying when football players, entertainers, do this.

hmmph.

a reply to: dantanna

but some things i learned was you stand for the flag

You mean in elementary school where you were forced to stand otherwise you got detention or suspended?

I remember those days, a bunch of little robots doing what they're told "or else". Good times.

a reply to: seasonal

That's funny. I don't go to NFL games because they do the national anthem.

What would it take for an on-duty cop to get convicted of murder in this country? A question I ask myself sometimes.

Perhaps if cops killed on-duty judges and juries. Short of that?