Is The Alt-Left Craziness Driving Centrists To The Right

a reply to: Gryphon66

All Americans.....singling out one group or another just because they don't agree with me is an Alt-Left tactic.

I'm an American first, something you obviously have no concept of, You're so hung up on division this idea escapes you.

While I may not support everything everyone says I do love America and it's people....


Patriotism......you should try it!!

a reply to: pavil

Debbie Wasserman-Schulz and others certainly displayed a personal preference..

As far as Bernie, he had been an Independent for his ENTIRE political career before he ran for President, and immediately became one again after he left. He USED the Democratic party to increase his national recognition.

Political parties do tend to support those who have demonstrated historical loyalty to their cause and principles.

I have no love for professional politicians of any stripe. In my estimation they are all lying, authoritarian psychopaths.

originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: Gryphon66

All Americans.....singling out one group or another just because they don't agree with me is an Alt-Left tactic.

I'm an American first, something you obviously have no concept of, You're so hung up on division this idea escapes you.

While I may not support everything everyone says I do love America and it's people....


Patriotism......you should try it!

My patriotism is genuine. I love the Constitution and the Republic for which it stands.

You seem to love politicians. That's not patriotism.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: GuidedKill

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Merle Haggard? Dude.

It's just a big old political game that I don't want to be a part of.

That's a quote from Mr. Haggard. Here's another:

In a 2010 interview about President Obama, Haggard discussed the misinterpretations that he felt had been spread about POTUS. "It's really almost criminal what they do with our president," he said. "They call him all kinds of names all day long, saying he's doing certain things that he's not." Haggard met the Obamas on a trip to the White House to receive a Lifetime Achievement Award.

Source

Also, sadly, Mr. Haggard didn't live to see Trump elected ... but he's pretty clear:

I don't think it much matters who the president is.

That's cause Merle Haggard is a true patriotic American..... He would have supported any person the American public voted in. Doesn't mean he would have agreed with him...

But I do love how you put Obama in there with Merle as if that was going to show that Merle's song was any less true today then when he wrote...The song wasn't never intended to be about one person or individual...It's about having pride in America period.....

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: GuidedKill


If you check, you'll find for example, that more folks also voted for Democrats in the Senate in 2016, yet, for some reason, Republicans won a majority of seats. In previous years, Democrats received more votes in both the House and Senate.

Thats primarily because in CA you had two Democrats running for the Same Senate, so There's 12.2 M of the Dems vote of 51.4 M vs Republicans 40.4M. Also there were more Dem Senate seats up for re-election.

So more Democrats voted for their candidate for President than Republicans, and for their candidates in the Senate as well?

Yeah, that's what I said.

If you think that having 2 Dems run for one CA Senate race is a normal Senate Election and having more Dem Seats for Senate up for Vote, then yes. There is more to data analysis than you imply. The House of Representatives are Done the same way every year, everyone is up election unlike the Senate where only a third are up for election. You can contend that as the Republicans had a lead in the house going into the election, they should have got more votes.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: Gryphon66

All Americans.....singling out one group or another just because they don't agree with me is an Alt-Left tactic.

I'm an American first, something you obviously have no concept of, You're so hung up on division this idea escapes you.

While I may not support everything everyone says I do love America and it's people....


Patriotism......you should try it!

My patriotism is genuine. I love the Constitution and the Republic for which it stands.

You seem to love politicians. That's not patriotism.

The Vast majority of Americans, both Democratic and Republican and Independent are Patriotic. The Extremes.......I have my doubts.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: Gryphon66

All Americans.....singling out one group or another just because they don't agree with me is an Alt-Left tactic.

I'm an American first, something you obviously have no concept of, You're so hung up on division this idea escapes you.

While I may not support everything everyone says I do love America and it's people....


Patriotism......you should try it!

My patriotism is genuine. I love the Constitution and the Republic for which it stands.

You seem to love politicians. That's not patriotism.

The Vast majority of Americans, both Democratic and Republican and Independent are Patriotic. The Extremes.......I have my doubts.

originally posted by: Gryphon66

originally posted by: redhorse

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33Is The Alt-Left Craziness Driving Centrists To The Right

Maybe some.

I'm a centrist, and the alt-right craziness is driving me to the left. This is a little rough as I live in a rural, isolated community that has been characterized by alt-right ideas for decades, waaaaayyyy before it was called alt-right. It's just getting worse and worse now. People are going nuts.

I call myself a Moderate. I voted against Trump last election. I've voted against people in the last 3 or 4 elections.

What I find ludicrous about the "American right" as provided by the media in this country is that they promote absurd reality-denial, anti-science philosophy and just plain old lies.

The fact that I end up seeming to defend ANY politicians makes me ill.

But you are ignoring reality too.

Those "Right-wingers" are in the end, not much different than anyone on the left in terms of what actually happens AFTER the elections.

Do all the same military corporations still get huge contracts to build the same weapons? Yes, almost always give or take a tiny slice of minor exceptions.

Do all of these major universities still get funding to conduct all of their research programs? Yes, 95% of the time the same stuff gets through and keeps going on despite whomever got elected.

So for you to say the right-wing is anti-science, is you judging a book by it's cover. It's a shallow analysis of a deeper reality. They sure are pro-science when it comes to just about everything, save a few hot topics like evolution (which provides little to no actual scientific value in a technological way) or cosmology (which again provides little to no value in terms of technological development or advancement).

They agree 100% with the sciences of chemistry, for example. In fact, I'd say they like the science of things that go boom more than anyone else. And to think, you called them anti-science simply because of a disagreement over evolution or cosmology, things which are more akin to highly theoretical philosophy in terms of hard-science.

The future looks nearly the same no matter who gets elected. But you're free to believe otherwise, I just haven't seen much evidence to support your belief system yet.

originally posted by: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

originally posted by: Kettu
a reply to: hopenotfeariswhatweneed

Care to prove me wrong? I'll be here...waiting....

IF the alt left doesn't exist how can the alt right ?

You think you have busted him but you haven't. Alt-right is an alternative to the mainstream right and conservatism. It's even in the definition!

a reply to: pavil

You can make any argument you want to.

The argument I've made is that more Democrats voted for Democratic candidates than did Republicans for the Republican candidates.

The argument being countered is that most Americans voted Republican ... patently untrue.

I haven't said anything about data analysis, and you're inferring; I'm not implying. I made about as simple a statement of fact as can be made.

The House is gerrymandered as you know. Quite often far more people vote for Democratic candidates than Republican in the House as well.

a reply to: muzzleflash

How am I ignoring reality? Because of what you think I think?

I've said here probably hundreds of times that "left and right" are BS. (Hint; that's why I put them in quotes usually.)

The only counter you have to my opinion that the "right" is anti-science is a spurious claim about research universities?

Saying they "sure are pro-science" really doesn't mean a lot aside from stating your own opinion.

You're speaking for "they" ... and you conceive that to be the majority of "the right"?

Start a thread on the topic and I'll be glad to argue it with you. Aside from that, gosh, we both have opinions.

Hardly. We centrists think you're both nuts. No joke.

originally posted by: GuidedKill
a reply to: Gryphon66

All Americans.....singling out one group or another just because they don't agree with me is an Alt-Left tactic.

Um yeah... Ok. So, the alt right doesn't go into rabid, frothing, and often threatening tirades anytime some one talks about equality, diversity, women's rights (especially reproductive rights) or (heaven help us all) affirmative action, or gun control as maybe good things. And good lord, even the mildest criticism of President Trump works them into a lather.

But yeah, they are such a reasonable bunch of people.

It's an extremist tactic. Not Alt-right or Alt-left and both sides do it.

originally posted by: GuidedKillPatriotism......you should try it!!

Yay Patriotism!

B**ch please.

a reply to: Gryphon66

The Electoral College is ultimately who elects the President though.
And as a self-avowed Constitutionalist Patriot, you ought to recognize that your arguments about who won the popular votes are undermining confidence in our already agreed upon hundreds of years ago system.

I'm not saying drop the argument, I'm just saying that you should be more upfront about what you actually think and desire and why exactly you feel that you want these things.

You accused the House of Gerrymandering, but let's say we theoretically went and redrew the districts to give "the D party a more fair chance", wouldn't THAT be just Gerrymandering on top of even more Gerrymandering?

The inevitable proposed solution to the specific problem you have identified is in fact, more of that exact problem.
Do you see the futility here?

Of course, I'd bet on it. The choice of clothing doesn't help their cause either.
I believe America is still settling in some way, with the haze clearing way, people see whats going on.
Social media is an important tool to engage in, view both sides of the spectrum. Up to the user to be responsible.
So when videos of ANTIFA scum circulate beating an old man and shutting down peaceful protest in Berkely (Liberal mecca of California, the head liberal stronghold), people are going to be turned off.

a reply to: Gryphon66

Looks like you avoided my argument.

You claimed the "Right wing" is anti-science.
I countered by stating a fact, that they support the military and university research just as much as the D party does. That they are in factual reality, both pro-science.

You did not accept this fact, and even referred to it as a spurious claim and my "opinion".
It was a factual claim based on all available evidence and it was not my opinion, it was an observation of objective reality.

You are making claims that you cannot support, and will not even face that when confronted directly.
(Claim being challenged, that R = anti-science)

originally posted by: intrepid
Hardly. We centrists think you're both nuts. No joke.

Correction Sir, you are clearly an Alt-Center type.
Get used to it.

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: Gryphon66

The Electoral College is ultimately who elects the President though.
And as a self-avowed Constitutionalist Patriot, you ought to recognize that your arguments about who won the popular votes are undermining confidence in our already agreed upon hundreds of years ago system.

I'm not saying drop the argument, I'm just saying that you should be more upfront about what you actually think and desire and why exactly you feel that you want these things.

You accused the House of Gerrymandering, but let's say we theoretically went and redrew the districts to give "the D party a more fair chance", wouldn't THAT be just Gerrymandering on top of even more Gerrymandering?

The inevitable proposed solution to the specific problem you have identified is in fact, more of that exact problem.
Do you see the futility here?

I'm aware of the Electoral College. We were discussing popular opinion.

How is my statement of fact about Clinton getting 2.8 million more votes undermining the Electoral College? Please.

I'd guess that Mr. Trump's comments that the Electoral College is a "disaster for democracy" is far more of a threat to the Constitution than little ol' me.

I haven't accused the House of gerrymandering ... that would be Republican state legislatures: find out more at REDMAP

Election Day 2010 proved to be an even bigger “wave” election at the state level than anticipated. Republicans flipped at least 19 legislative bodies to Republican control and hold majorities in 10 of the 15 states that will gain or lose U.S. House seats and where the legislature plays a role in redrawing the map.

Republicans have an opportunity to create 20-25 new Republican Congressional Districts through the redistricting process over the next five election cycles, solidifying a Republican House majority.

originally posted by: muzzleflash
a reply to: Gryphon66

Looks like you avoided my argument.

You claimed the "Right wing" is anti-science.
I countered by stating a fact, that they support the military and university research just as much as the D party does. That they are in factual reality, both pro-science.

You did not accept this fact, and even referred to it as a spurious claim and my "opinion".
It was a factual claim based on all available evidence and it was not my opinion, it was an observation of objective reality.

You are making claims that you cannot support, and will not even face that when confronted directly.
(Claim being challenged, that R = anti-science)

You don't have an argument ... you've claimed that made-up statistics about research universities and your own opinions mean something.

Then, you can prove that supporting research universities proves any commitment to science rather than benefiting their own districts (i.e. pork barrel politics.)

If you'd like to present something as a fact, give us something to back it up with substantive evidence.

If you want to challenge something other than my opinion, ask me to do the same thing.

originally posted by: Blue_Jay33
Is The Alt-Left Craziness Driving Centrists To The Right

We'll see in 2018, ya? All indications point to the answer being "yes, yes it is driving moderates rightward in droves," but the proof will be in the pudding. Remember, the same folks saying it isn't happening are the ones who insisted Trump couldn't win in 2016 in either the primaries or the general.