Is The Alt-Left Craziness Driving Centrists To The Right

originally posted by: Gryphon66
It seems that more people are moving toward "the middle" as well as asking themselves why there is never a Moderate option offered on the ballot.

We will see that change in the next few cycles, I hope.

I agree with you 100% there, I would love to see an actual middle of the road candidate... I just doubt one can get out of the RNC or DNC intact.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
It seems that more people are moving toward "the middle" as well as asking themselves why there is never a Moderate option offered on the ballot.

We will see that change in the next few cycles, I hope.

Honestly I think more people were in the middle in the first place, they just don't get covered by the media. That is what the poster that I've been arguing doesn't seem to understand. If you look at the top voter issues, it's things like jobs, the economy, national security. A lot of the issues that people use to define whether you're "far" left or right aren't very high on most voter's list of priorities. They simply don't vote based on those issues, so it's not hard for them to swing D to R back to D, etc.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: GuidedKill

If you're going to discuss what most PEOPLE think, believe and support ... perhaps you might want to consider the POPULAR vote. (Hint, that's kind of the definition.)

The only time a majority doesn't win an election in the US is the Presidential election.

No, there's no evidence now or at any other time that any significant votes are fraudulent.

Did I say "She won the popular vote"? No, sure didn't (even though she did by the widest margin in history).

If you check, you'll find for example, that more folks also voted for Democrats in the Senate in 2016, yet, for some reason, Republicans won a majority of seats. In previous years, Democrats received more votes in both the House and Senate.

You guys just can't accept the fact that most Americans DIDN'T vote for Trump, his poll numbers are abysmal and falling. He's exposed himself as a bumbling incompetent, embarrassed US in front of the world, and has alienated himself from his own cabinet, the Congress, and most Americans.

Ooo ... you used all caps.

/snort

And you just can't accept that fact this this so called bumbling idiot is your president....You can't accept the fact that this "loser" beat the best the dems put forward. You can't except the fact that the Republicans retard beat the greatest and smartest the dems had to offer...You also cant accept that fact that the American's that did vote chose to put Trump in office...


Based off all that who is further from reality? Me or you?

a reply to: GuidedKill

Hmm ... that must be why I refer to him as President Trump so often.

You know what I can accept?



The Americans that chose to vote clearly preferred someone other than Trump. You can't accept that.

You think Hillary was the greatest and smartest? LOL. You're pretty far removed from reality if you believe that.

She's smarter than Trump, obviously, but then, so are most rocks.

originally posted by: Kettu

Is The Alt-Left Craziness Driving Centrists To The Right

No, because the "alt-left" doesn't exist. It's a made up name by alt-right extremists and right wing talking heads.

Extreme left liberals don't call themselves "alt-left". No one on that side of the political spectrum uses that term when talking about themselves. It's made up. Fake. Fabricated.

Now, alt-right? Sure. There are lots of people who call themselves alt-right. In fact, it is those very people who invented the term "alt-left" because they wanted to take the pressure off of themselves.

Find me a radical liberal who calls themselves "alt-left". I'll wait.

Give me 30 seconds and I'll find you 100 far-right folks proud to be called "alt-right".

Worthless semantics. Left crazies do t call themselves anything, so you can't call them anything? But to answer the OP... yeah, duh. The only reason Trump is in the Whitehouse is because of the obnoxiously incompetent left, and they've only gotten worse.

a reply to: face23785

Well, given two extremes, the majority of anything usually falls statistically closer to the mean.

The point at which is diverge from accepting your argument is that you seem to be saying that most people vote issues.

At this stage in the game, I think most people vote for the person ... or against them.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: GuidedKill

Hmm ... that must be why I refer to him as President Trump so often.

You know what I can accept?

The Americans that chose to vote clearly preferred someone other than Trump. You can't accept that.

You think Hillary was the greatest and smartest? LOL. You're pretty far removed from reality if you believe that.

She's smarter than Trump, obviously, but then, so are most rocks.

I think she is a moron....It was the Dems that put all their eggs in her basket....Thought she was SO awesome the railroaded ole Bernie and stole his nomination...But hey keep you head buried in that Dem sand ostrich!!

Let's see if the landscape changes when you pull your head out in 2020...


I really hope everyone on the left has your line of thinking....Gonna be winning for 8 years!!

a reply to: face23785

My mind is open.

You literally said people who voted for Obama got so angry they voted for trump in protest.

This is an absolute bipolar political philosophy.

And yes I also believe people who voted for Trump had no idea what he was really about and just like Obama thought he said things they wanted to hear. Neither having any expirience that would let you believe they could be legislative leaders.

So these people will most likely if history repeats itself go bipolar again and vote for the next Bernie sanders and then be upset socialism is on the rise.

My problem is they probably were not in the center or center left if they now support trump which you also seem to indicate. After the last 8 months I have trouble believing a center left person still supports trump.

a reply to: Kettu

No, because the "alt-left" doesn't exist. It's a made up name by alt-right extremists and right wing talking heads.

Extreme left liberals don't call themselves "alt-left". No one on that side of the political spectrum uses that term when talking about themselves. It's made up. Fake. Fabricated.

Nazis don't exist because the word "Nazi" was a derogatory term used by opponents of the National-Socialist German Workers' Party.

Nazis never called themselves Nazis. No one in the National-Socialist German Workers' Party used that term when talking about themselves It's made up. Fake. Fabricated.

Either that or the argument is stupid.

a reply to: GuidedKill

Hmmm ... do you understand the Presidential election process in the US? Each party chooses one person as President, one as Vice President. This is called "the ticket."

Actually a significant number of Democrats voted for an life-long Independent in the Primaries and Caucuses.

No one railroaded Bernie. Primary elections are managed by State governments.

I don't know where you have your head buried, whatever partisan badge you wear, but it must be hard to breathe in there.

You don't seem to have any idea of what my line of thinking actually is ... you're too busy tooting your own kazoo.

originally posted by: Kettu

originally posted by: pavil

originally posted by: Kettu

originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Kettu

Thats fine......look at any exit poll you want. Going further left cost you the election. I'm glad you don't believe/realize that.

The Democratic party is more centrist now than ever. LOL

You obviously don't hang out with a liberal crowd, do you?

More centrist than what? This is almost surreal.

The American Democrats would be considered conservative in any other industrialized democracy on Earth, comrade. )))

I can't believe I just read that.

Wow...

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: GuidedKill

Hmmm ... do you understand the Presidential election process in the US? Each party chooses one person as President, one as Vice President. This is called "the ticket."

Actually a significant number of Democrats voted for an life-long Independent in the Primaries and Caucuses.

No one railroaded Bernie. Primary elections are managed by State governments.

I don't know where you have your head buried, whatever partisan badge you wear, but it must be hard to breathe in there.

You don't seem to have any idea of what my line of thinking actually is ... you're too busy tooting your own kazoo.

There is only Law suits pending against the DNC from Sanders camp for exactly what I mentioned but you're right I have no idea what I'm talking about....

That is the question at the heart of a class-action lawsuit charging the Democratic National Committee with fraud, deceptive conduct and negligent misrepresentation over the course of the 2016 primaries, in which Vermont Senator Bernie Sanders was defeated by former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for the Democratic ticket. Jared Beck, a Harvard law expert and one of the attorneys backing the suit, has demanded the DNC repay its donors and Sanders supporters for contributions made throughout the election, citing a misappropriation of public funds.

Article 5, Section 4 of the DNC’s charter states the organization will operate with total neutrality throughout the course of the Democratic primaries. Court documents reveal the organization's lawyers made a lengthy case suggesting impartiality is nothing more than a political promise, however—even though the defense claimed it did not support any specific campaign over another.

"impartiality is nothing more that a political promise" Well isn't that a nice "sure we did it, but" defense...

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What you call yourself and what other people call you can be very different things.

You cannot really control what others call you often times. You might get called a lot of different things, some may be very hurtful and devastating.

You can call them names back, but that's petty and immature. What's better is that you can just accept it and explain to yourself that you don't have to believe in what they call you, and show them they are wrong. You can defy them by proving you're better than they think.

So if someone calls you alt-left and you are really offended by that, you're going to have to deal with that and overcome it. Everyone goes through these things at some point in their lives. I've been called plenty of things, and some of them cut really deeply. I built a lot of character facing that, and I'm sure I'll build plenty more as I continue to face it. Life's rarely going to be easy.

a reply to: GuidedKill

So lawsuits are proof of wrongdoing now? So Trump's guilty of everything he's ever been sued for?

Pfft.

Again, this is basic. The DNC doesn't run primary elections; that's State governments.

Let me know when you find some lawsuits alleging election fraud in the primaries.

a reply to: muzzleflash

Alt-left is a perfect term that succinctly describes an activist faction of the left wing who is out there protesting their own feelings. I prefer CTRL-Left myself, due to its authoritarian nature, but usage changes with the tides of time.

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: GuidedKill

So lawsuits are proof of wrongdoing now? So Trump's guilty of everything he's ever been sued for?

Pfft.

Again, this is basic. The DNC doesn't run primary elections; that's State governments.

Let me know when you find some lawsuits alleging election fraud in the primaries.

I said they stole the nomination not the election....Reading comprehension is a thing you know.

And lawsuits are proof that the Sanders camp think the nomination was fraudulent and unfairly stolen from him....exactly what they state in the law suit...

No, because the "alt-left" doesn't exist.

Occupy Wall Street. Kill the Rich.

Black Lives Matter. Kill the police.

Antifa. Kill the nazi's.

Alt left 'doesn't' exist!!!

Independents the fastest growing political party in the country.

A fact you can take to any fiat currency bank.

originally posted by: muzzleflash

I can't believe I just read that.

Wow...

Then you need to read up on world politics a tad more. Democrats (those in office anyway) in the US are squarely center-right.

originally posted by: GuidedKill

originally posted by: Gryphon66
a reply to: GuidedKill

So lawsuits are proof of wrongdoing now? So Trump's guilty of everything he's ever been sued for?

Pfft.

Again, this is basic. The DNC doesn't run primary elections; that's State governments.

Let me know when you find some lawsuits alleging election fraud in the primaries.

I said they stole the nomination not the election....Reading comprehension is a thing you know.

Yeah, so are stealth edits. But okay.

How did "they" steal the nomination? At the Convention? Pfft. The rules for delegates have been the same since 2008.

You're still crying about "superdelegates"? LOL.

Pledged delegates totals: Clinton 2205; Sanders: 1846.

What kind math are you doing again?

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originally posted by: neo96

No, because the "alt-left" doesn't exist.

Occupy Wall Street. Kill the Rich.

Black Lives Matter. Kill the police.

Antifa. Kill the nazi's.

Alt left 'doesn't' exist!!!

Independents the fastest growing political party in the country.

A fact you can take to any fiat currency bank.

Okay, show us the alt-left website.

Show us the group that calls itself "alt-left"?

What's that, you can't

Guess what, I can do the opposite:

www.altright.com