Houston Pastor JOEL OSTEEN Will NOT Open His Mega-Church To Flood Victims!.

originally posted by: Ohanka
Isn't there a law or something they can use to take property in times of crisis?

I don't think I agree with that tactic either. People should do the right thing because they want to do the right thing.

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: BubbaJoe

originally posted by: Tempter

originally posted by: Ohanka

originally posted by: Tempter
Despite all the hate from ATS folk, nearly all or completely all who will never raise a finger to help South Texas, Joel remains someone who people feel brings them closer to God.

And if you haven't listened to him before, I suggest you do. The man has the gift of voice unlike any I've ever heard.

I'm not a Christian, per se. But he does move me every time I hear him, and millions of others.

Do any of you thick headed fools consider THAT might be the reason he's successful?

Such hate on this forum.

"Bringing people closer to God" does little for someone whose house is flooded.

I hear this argument a lot raised in defence of thieves and conmen who use religion to legalise their crimes.

Osteen is almost as bad as Peter Popoff.

Joel Osteen is five hundred men better than you and has helped more people on this planet than you ever could or will.

Is he a frigging emergency management specialist, you twit? Do you realize there's more to "helping" people than just opening doors? Once inside, how do you deal with that many people? How do you feed them? Are sanitation systems working properly? Do you remember how bad the Dome in NO was?

You don't even think, do you? You just get an emotion-driven thought in your head and run with it!

Have you got a source for this info, or just more scumbag slinging crap?

More scumbag crap, he has worked for the ministry his whole adult life, has no degree, and never attended seminary. He is a scumbag extraordinare.

I knew I smelled something. Jealousy!

Interesting take on things, I am a vet, a highly skilled machinist, have worked for a living a good portion of my 57 years. Why would I be jealous of a scumbag who has spent his whole adult life convincing people that they could buy their way into heaven. You really need to find another hobby.

It's probably an insurance issue. The Church is a private enterprise, not a city facility. But, you would think there could be some kind of emergency exception to indemnify Olsteen or the church against loss, harm, or legal responsibility.

Plus...I don't think there would be near the problems with Houstonians as there was with New Orleans evacuees.

What happened when the Super Dome in New Orleans was opened up to be used as a shelter? It was pretty bad!

Hurricane Katrina was the third time the dome had been used as a shelter. It was previously used in 1998 during Hurricane Georges and in 2004 during Hurricane Ivan. During Georges, the Superdome had no problems related to the weather but evacuees stole furniture and damaged property, resulting in thousands of dollars in losses.[citation needed] There were also difficulties supplying the more than 14,000 people living temporarily in the dome with necessities. About a thousand special-needs patients were housed there when Ivan hit the area.

Despite these previous periods of emergency use, as Katrina approached the city, officials had not stockpiled enough generator fuel, food, and other supplies to handle the needs of the people seeking refuge there. According to an article in Time, "Over the years city officials have stressed that they didn't want to make it too comfortable at the Superdome since it was safer to leave the city altogether. "It's not a hotel," the director of emergency preparedness for St. Tammany Parish told the Times-Picayune in 1999."[1]

Despite the planned use of the Superdome as an evacuation center, government officials at the local, state and federal level were criticized for poor planning and preparation. On August 28, the Louisiana National Guard delivered three truckloads of water and seven truckloads of MREs (meals ready to eat), enough to supply 15,000 people for three days. However, there was no water purification equipment on site, nor any chemical toilets, antibiotics, or anti-diarrheals stored for a crisis. There were no designated medical staff at work in the evacuation center, no established sick bay within the Superdome, and very few cots available that hadn't been brought in by evacuees.

As of August 31, there had been three deaths in the Superdome: two elderly medical patients and a man who is believed to have committed suicide by jumping from the upper level seats. There were also unconfirmed reports of rape, vandalism, violent assaults, crack dealing/drug abuse, and gang activity inside the Superdome.[/exen.wikipedia.org...

edit on 28-8-2017 by queenofswords because: (no reason given)

edit on 28-8-2017 by queenofswords because: (no reason given)

originally posted by: queenofswords
It's probably an insurance issue. The Church is a private enterprise, not a city facility. But, you would think there could be some kind of emergency exception to indemnify Olsteen or the church against loss, harm, or legal responsibility.

Plus...I don't think there would be near the problems with Houstonians as there was with New Orleans evacuees.

What happened when the Super Dome in New Orleans was opened up to be used as a shelter? It was pretty bad!

Hurricane Katrina was the third time the dome had been used as a shelter. It was previously used in 1998 during Hurricane Georges and in 2004 during Hurricane Ivan. During Georges, the Superdome had no problems related to the weather but evacuees stole furniture and damaged property, resulting in thousands of dollars in losses.[citation needed] There were also difficulties supplying the more than 14,000 people living temporarily in the dome with necessities. About a thousand special-needs patients were housed there when Ivan hit the area.

Despite these previous periods of emergency use, as Katrina approached the city, officials had not stockpiled enough generator fuel, food, and other supplies to handle the needs of the people seeking refuge there. According to an article in Time, "Over the years city officials have stressed that they didn't want to make it too comfortable at the Superdome since it was safer to leave the city altogether. "It's not a hotel," the director of emergency preparedness for St. Tammany Parish told the Times-Picayune in 1999."[1]

Despite the planned use of the Superdome as an evacuation center, government officials at the local, state and federal level were criticized for poor planning and preparation. On August 28, the Louisiana National Guard delivered three truckloads of water and seven truckloads of MREs (meals ready to eat), enough to supply 15,000 people for three days. However, there was no water purification equipment on site, nor any chemical toilets, antibiotics, or anti-diarrheals stored for a crisis. There were no designated medical staff at work in the evacuation center, no established sick bay within the Superdome, and very few cots available that hadn't been brought in by evacuees.

As of August 31, there had been three deaths in the Superdome: two elderly medical patients and a man who is believed to have committed suicide by jumping from the upper level seats. There were also unconfirmed reports of rape, vandalism, violent assaults, crack dealing/drug abuse, and gang activity inside the Superdome.[/exen.wikipedia.org...

So another willing to publicaly make excuses for this scumbag, we have gathered them all tonight.

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a reply to: BubbaJoe

Not making excuses, just making a rational statement.

Why don't they open the beautiful high rise hotels that are probably empty right now (Houston has hundreds of them)!

Uh?

I wonder how many churches, synagogues and mosques are open?

a reply to: Tempter

Joel Osteen is five hundred men better than you and has helped more people on this planet than you ever could or will.

Yes, this episode in clear evidence of his superiority.

Is he a frigging emergency management specialist, you twit?

How much of a specialist does one need to be to provide a place for someone to lay a weary head? Or to provide shelter from the elements to one who has lost everything? Is there no room at the inn?

Go ahead, enlighten me.

Do you realize there's more to "helping" people than just opening doors? Once inside, how do you deal with that many people?

Let's see, in the days leading up to this he, in his "obvious" enlightenment could have prepared his "church" to recieve those who either didn't prepare, couldn't prepare, or lost everything in spite of preparing. How much does it cost to buy several gross of blankets? Cases of water? Arrange for delivery of water into hard hit areas that are without? How hard with the kind of resources he has at hand?

How do you feed them? Are sanitation systems working properly?

You do what you can, with what you've got. Tools and knowledge can build latrines from scrap lumber, with bleach and lime at hand. It takes very little to help those who have nothing.

Do you remember how bad the Dome in NO was?

That's reason to do nothing? Really?

Under a State emergency declaration, the Governor may also have the power to use or commandeer privateproperty for the purpose of responding to the disaster. Emergencymanagement acts generally grant the Governor the power to use, or authorize the use of, contingency andemergency funds in the event of anemergency.

Take it.

From the FEMA manual on how communities and states deal with emergencies and disasters.

Link is an auto pdf download so won't link.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: Ohanka
Isn't there a law or something they can use to take property in times of crisis?

I don't think I agree with that tactic either. People should do the right thing because they want to do the right thing.

Jayne Cobb: Shepherd Book once said to me, "If you can't do something smart, do something right.".

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: BubbaJoe

Not making excuses, just making a rational statement.

Why don't they open the beautiful high rise hotels that are probably empty right now (Houston has hundreds of them)!

Uh?

So private businesses that PAY TAX are equal to churches?

That explains why people make so much money through the church.

a reply to: queenofswords

Sounds like the New Orleans Superdome was merely the community in action, only inside a structure.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Not all of them, obviously. I'd wager, however, no few of 'em are. But that's a good question.

And people on ATS are justifying a church failing to offer sanctuary to displaced people in the event of a natural disaster.

Why am I not surprised.

This is one example of why this country is going to #.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Jayne Cobb: Shepherd Book once said to me, "If you can't do something smart, do something right.".

I agree with that sentiment completely. Someone should educate Pastor McScummy.

a reply to: queenofswords

If they're safe to use, they certainly should. Absolutely!

Churches are open to the public. I fail to get the "insurance doesn't allow" angle, that a few members have mentioned.

Well playing Devils advocate .......snort, snort, (pun intended) It don't look like it would make a very good refuge, it's all seats. There don't seem to be any open space...

Look for yourself..www.youtube.com...

a reply to: carewemust

Osteen exemplifies perfectly the Trump mind set and attitude toward those less fortunate then himself.

The absolute perfect religious figure for todays political climate.

originally posted by: Liquesence
And people on ATS are justifying a church failing to offer sanctuary to displaced people in the event of a natural disaster.

Why am I not surprised.

This is one example of why this country is going to #.

Just a minority of ATS voices are supporting Osteen's decision to be selfish. Nothing to be frustrated about. Most Americans are pro-neighbor.

a reply to: roadgravel

Indeed.

Tests come in strange forms, or so we're told. We're all tested at diverse times, and in many ways...who's to say we'd fair any better when it comes time?

Hopefully we do.